I know the front assist sensor is a matter of much talk especially when its icy but this is another problem. I had a lady back into me very slowly yesterday and she took full responsibility but there appeared no damage as it didn't even take the dirt off so we parted ways happily.......BUT now the bloody front assist sensor light is on ! Its not too much of a big thing for me as I never use the ACC so I have disabled it in the system. 

When I rang up the local dealer to see if I could bring it in to see if a wire had come loose or something else simple I was basically told dependent on the reason behind the fault it could be anywhere from £300-1000 and just to contact my insurance! I had as best look I can see at the sensor as I can't figure out how to get the sensor cover off but it doesn't look damaged ??? 

 

Any suggestions?

I believe if it needs to be recalibrated ..... It's not cheap ..... Go through insurance ...

45 minutes ago, darwinjake said:

I know the front assist sensor is a matter of much talk especially when its icy but this is another problem. I had a lady back into me very slowly yesterday and she took full responsibility but there appeared no damage as it didn't even take the dirt off so we parted ways happily.......BUT now the bloody front assist sensor light is on ! Its not too much of a big thing for me as I never use the ACC so I have disabled it in the system. 

When I rang up the local dealer to see if I could bring it in to see if a wire had come loose or something else simple I was basically told dependent on the reason behind the fault it could be anywhere from £300-1000 and just to contact my insurance! I had as best look I can see at the sensor as I can't figure out how to get the sensor cover off but it doesn't look damaged ??? 

 

Any suggestions?

You cant remove the cover without removing the grille, or the bumper.. trust me, its way easier to remove the bumper rather than the grille. As for the fault, if you have acces to VCDS or OBD11 just hook it up and check for errors!

unfortunately no VCDS or OBD11 :( 

 

I am reliant on the garage which I get on with OK but I always go back to an issue I had with my old Octavia and its mass air flow sensor which the garage at the time couldn't diagnose but 15 minutes on Briskoda did the job

just noticed my model still says mark 2 L&K which I haven't had for over 3 years. The more observant will see that the picture definitely isn't an L&K 

just found this guide which may mean that the bumper and grille can stay put

 

 

10 minutes ago, darwinjake said:

just found this guide which may mean that the bumper and grille can stay put

 

 

Well, you learn everyday, i did recently remove the grille, in order to replace my chrome one with a black one, and was wondering what those plugs were for, now i know! Cheers!

Got the cover off ok but the holding bracket is cracked so I guess it's a call to the insurance 

A few things to note, your car *needs* this to be working else your vehicle will not be covered by its insurance as this is a essential safety feature on the car.

It can also not be calibrated at home, needs to have wheel alignment checked and adjusted before having the front facing radar calibrated. 

 

This wont be cheap and if theres no damage, you can expect to pay upwards of £300, possibly more if theres damage. You should really exchange details, even if no visible damage :(

 

- ADAS Qualified Master Tech

 

also, a side note. the radar does more than adaptive cruise control, it also has some forms of collision avoidance which need to be fully working.

 

13 hours ago, ApertureS said:

your car *needs* this to be working else your vehicle will not be covered by its insurance

Sorry to question your qualifications but I find this hard to believe - Front Assist is not an MOT item so does not affect the legal roadworthiness of a vehicle. In any case, you can deactivate Front Assist through the infotainment, it would be ridiculous if doing this rendered your car unroadworthy and insurance invalid!

10 minutes ago, D402 said:

Sorry to question your qualifications but I find this hard to believe - Front Assist is not an MOT item so does not affect the legal roadworthiness of a vehicle. In any case, you can deactivate Front Assist through the infotainment, it would be ridiculous if doing this rendered your car unroadworthy and insurance invalid!

 

While I agree it isn't an MOT issue, it could cause issues if the OP were to have an accident either caused by a faulty front assist system or would have been avoided had it been working.

 

It'll depend on what you agreed to when taking out the insurance. No idea if it would cause issues in the real world or is just theoretical

3 hours ago, D402 said:

Sorry to question your qualifications but I find this hard to believe - Front Assist is not an MOT item so does not affect the legal roadworthiness of a vehicle. In any case, you can deactivate Front Assist through the infotainment, it would be ridiculous if doing this rendered your car unroadworthy and insurance invalid!

So to be clear, safety systems in your car will have active and passive systems.

active systems can be turned off, such as traction control, passenger airbag, adaptive cruise control.

passive systems are things like drivers airbag, abs, front collision intervention

 

so just because you can ‘turn a system off’ does not turn it off.

 

as for MOTs, an mot is the lowest possible level a car must operate, this is not the same as being legally roadworthy in certain aspects. The mot is a long way behind current technologies but the law is not. Driver assistance systems that intervene in accidents or possible accidents can not and should not be disabled and will invalidate insurance if it’s discovered that the system could of possibly prevented or reduced the accident.

18 minutes ago, ApertureS said:

so just because you can ‘turn a system off’ does not turn it off.

 

 

not so sure about this, i think you can completley disable front assist!

18 hours ago, ApertureS said:

A few things to note, your car *needs* this to be working else your vehicle will not be covered by its insurance as this is a essential safety feature on the car.

It can also not be calibrated at home, needs to have wheel alignment checked and adjusted before having the front facing radar calibrated. 

 

This wont be cheap and if theres no damage, you can expect to pay upwards of £300, possibly more if theres damage. You should really exchange details, even if no visible damage :(

 

- ADAS Qualified Master Tech

 

also, a side note. the radar does more than adaptive cruise control, it also has some forms of collision avoidance which need to be fully working.

 

 

"A few things to note, your car *needs* this to be working else your vehicle will not be covered by its insurance " ---------  With all due respect this sounds like rubbish to me but would be very interested to see some solid proof.... Not the first time I've been wrong. Don't tell the wife ...

Only sounds like?

 

Turning a system off does not turn a system off

 

I suppose if you are tired & decide to have a sleep leaving the vehicle to look after itself & a driver assistance system is not working & you kill a class of infants waiting for the school bus then your insurers might look to reduce their liability.

 

Thankfully I will never be faced with that moral dilemma.

4 hours ago, ApertureS said:

So to be clear, safety systems in your car will have active and passive systems.

active systems can be turned off, such as traction control, passenger airbag, adaptive cruise control.

passive systems are things like drivers airbag, abs, front collision intervention

Wow, where did you get that from? Active safety systems help to prevent collisions i.e. ABS, traction control, front collision intervention. Passive safety systems react to collisions i.e. crumple zones, seatbelts, airbags (all of them). Adaptive cruise control is a driver assistance system.

1 hour ago, D402 said:

Wow, where did you get that from? Active safety systems help to prevent collisions i.e. ABS, traction control, front collision intervention. Passive safety systems react to collisions i.e. crumple zones, seatbelts, airbags (all of them). Adaptive cruise control is a driver assistance system.

I’m not talking mechanical systems, I’m talking electrical systems as in active and driver controlled, passive working all the time in the background.

From a maintenance and repair point of view, if I am repairing a ADAS system from the start of last month, I must provide the customer with a copy of calibrations and who done it. This is to make sure the system is working perfectly, all the time and this copy is meant to be sent to insurers.

2 hours ago, ApertureS said:

I’m not talking mechanical systems, I’m talking electrical systems as in active and driver controlled, passive working all the time in the background.

That's definitely not how the rest of the automotive industry define active and passive safety.

 

2 hours ago, ApertureS said:

From a maintenance and repair point of view, if I am repairing a ADAS system from the start of last month, I must provide the customer with a copy of calibrations and who done it. This is to make sure the system is working perfectly, all the time and this copy is meant to be sent to insurers.

I suspect this is your employers covering their arses against customers having problems after you've carried out repairs. If the insurance companies required this evidence for ADAS repairs, wouldn't they want the same evidence for work on tyres, brakes etc that are safety critical in every journey, not just the ones where ADAS might help?

For anyone looking for the insurer regulations behind it, they are set up by Thatcham and the insurance regulator body, they came into effect on 31st March this year. This is only the first step in a long line of regulations coming from adas and in time the laws and mot manual will be updated to include it.

 

https://www.thatcham.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/006-IIR-Requirements-March-2020-v2.pdf

So from that are you extrapolating that the law (what law?) will be updated and that insurers will refuse to indemnise policyholders whose "driver assistance systems" may have been worked on but not caibrated (as if they would even know) or where the driver has switched a system off "which doesn't switch it off"?