2 minutes ago, Omniking said:

Yeah indeed, its a complete cluster**** 

Just an explanation from the factory would go down well.

Off-Topic (slightly) - enquired about an ID.3 at the local VW dealer today and was told delivery would be 2023...

My understanding of how it works is that they use “just in time” methods at the factory, meaning the parts are fitted to cars almost as soon as they arrive because no warehousing is available for the quantities they use. 
 

If a build requires some of the more difficult to get hold of components then it’s possible that they haven’t managed to find a week when all these line up. I.e week 3 they have a batch of pano roofs in so want to build cars with pano roof, but no DSG gearboxes of the correct type that week or even if they have both the (grey) paint line doesn’t have a slot left etc. 

 

I know it’s not great, but it’s the system almost all manufacturers work…BMW are removing spec from their cars ad hoc when they don’t have the parts. No touch screens being delivered in a lot of the models at the moment. 

 

There’s also a possibility that the dealer/Skoda UK has exceeded quotas or is holding back orders once they’ve met targets for the year/qtr/month etc. 

 

It’s rubbish waiting though! 

a friend has a bmw on order and has been put back twice, main difference is his dealer can actually communicate with him and expand on why not like skoda who just leave you hanging with nothing

 

beyond a joke, but i'll wait monies and looks cant be beaten just very frustrating. likely near 12 month wait for a skoda is a joke

5 minutes ago, AlienAl said:

likely near 12 month wait for a skoda is a joke

 

Under normal circumstances, everyone would agree with you wholeheartedly. However, we are living in a time where circumstances are anything but normal.

 

It's frustrating - I may have my new car (thank you $deity), but there are other things that I'm struggling to get that I would like / need (as in need them to do something, not need them to actually live).

43 minutes ago, Rodders45 said:

My understanding of how it works is that they use “just in time” methods at the factory, meaning the parts are fitted to cars almost as soon as they arrive because no warehousing is available for the quantities they use. 
 

If a build requires some of the more difficult to get hold of components then it’s possible that they haven’t managed to find a week when all these line up. I.e week 3 they have a batch of pano roofs in so want to build cars with pano roof, but no DSG gearboxes of the correct type that week or even if they have both the (grey) paint line doesn’t have a slot left etc. 

 

I know it’s not great, but it’s the system almost all manufacturers work…BMW are removing spec from their cars ad hoc when they don’t have the parts. No touch screens being delivered in a lot of the models at the moment. 

 

There’s also a possibility that the dealer/Skoda UK has exceeded quotas or is holding back orders once they’ve met targets for the year/qtr/month etc. 

 

It’s rubbish waiting though! 

 

Hopefully the stars will align for me sooner rather than later!

@Rodders45 Welcome.

The thing is that 2020 & 2021 was not usual.

In 2021 when Skoda were going to get to 55,000 vehicles built but not finished and bunkered they were going to stop production.

So the just in time minus a few parts production had taken place.

 

As to painting on the production line the colour can change from vehicle to vehicle in the painting, they are not running through vehicles of one colour all one after another.

In the past a Shortage of pigment was blamed for White not being a Np extra cost Colour.

 

2021 first 7 months Skoda were boasting how well the production and delivery was going. 

 

As to getting vehicles built and out.  VW Group including Skoda were making sure that the requirements to meet the Average C02 on cars First Registered to not mean that VW Group would be fined as they were for missing the figures in 2020.  So lower polluting vehicles were essential to get out, EV's, Plug in and Mild Hybrids & what ever.

Even getting ones Registered that did not have buyers waiting on them other than Dealers or those that VW use to get cars delivered to while there were customers waiting on vehicles ordered that were not lower emissions. 

https://briskoda.net/forums/topic/491718-most-popular-skoda-model-2020

 

 

Edited 25 January, 20224 yr by roottoot

Someplace along the line someone must have decided to just get cars out with less than perfect software and hardware components & just signed them off to be sorted out with updates done sometime someplace maybe if enough people complained & if VW could do their customers cars first. 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Rodders45 said:

 

Even if they have both the (grey) paint line doesn’t have a slot left etc. 

 

 

From what I've seen they don't have a paint line. Cars of different colours are produced consecutively on the line. 

I appreciate it's frustrating for some (especially those who ordered Sportlines it seems) but to balance things up (slightly....)

 

I ordered my car in early July was given a 5 month lead time, and a warning that it may be later due to chip shortages etc.  I assumed it would and expected delivery anytime around now (Jan-Feb 2022).  In fact it was delivered early Dec, pretty much bang on the 5 months.

 

In terms of the experience, it was like no other car buying experience I have known.  Communication was patchy to say the least, and it seemed to go in fits and starts rather than the normal smooth progression from wait to build to delivery.  There were times that I was more in the know than the dealer, through a combination of speaking to Skoda UK, interpreting the facts from here and tracking the ship out of Emden (though that wasn't as much fun as it normally is).

 

To summarise, these are not normal times, and it seems pointless to try and establish the delivery date through normal timescales.   One month it's nowhere on the radar, the next it's on the drive.

 

 

2 hours ago, Rodders45 said:

My understanding of how it works is that they use “just in time” methods at the factory,

The funny thing is, Toyota one of the pioneers of just in time, increased the amount of stock they hold for crucial components such as chips after the Tohoku earthquake in 2011. 
For VAG group I guess the mess up was suppliers like Bosch/Continental scaling back chip orders early in the pandemic.  The embedded chips they use are quite old tech (which is normal). With reduced orders some the chip fab lines shut, never to be reopened ( not worth it).
It's a difficult situation, you've got parts which have been safety / battle tested over the years,  ABS/ airbag control units etc. Do you bite the bullet and redesign some of those parts with modern embedded chips and risk a massive recall if things start failing after 6 months, or do you wait for supply to increase? 
Hopefully with the opening of the Bosch chip plant in Germany last year, things will get better, I don't know. 
 

Edited 25 January, 20224 yr by Theo5

We will see some extra extended time:

laugh cry laugh cry laugh cry laugh cry

Yes, paint may have been a bad example for that one!  
 

In the 15 years I’ve been driving Skodas, they’ve never been any better at scheduling production. Same problems, different reasons. 🙄

 

anyways, should anyone care. VRS, black, pano roof, usb-c, sleep pack, winter plus pack. Ordered mid October, given BW2 but not heard anything since…unsure which year BW2 belongs to… 

7 hours ago, Rodders45 said:

My understanding of how it works is that they use “just in time” methods at the factory, meaning the parts are fitted to cars almost as soon as they arrive because no warehousing is available for the quantities they use. 
 

If a build requires some of the more difficult to get hold of components then it’s possible that they haven’t managed to find a week when all these line up. I.e week 3 they have a batch of pano roofs in so want to build cars with pano roof, but no DSG gearboxes of the correct type that week or even if they have both the (grey) paint line doesn’t have a slot left etc. 

 

I know it’s not great, but it’s the system almost all manufacturers work…BMW are removing spec from their cars ad hoc when they don’t have the parts. No touch screens being delivered in a lot of the models at the moment. 

 

There’s also a possibility that the dealer/Skoda UK has exceeded quotas or is holding back orders once they’ve met targets for the year/qtr/month etc. 

 

It’s rubbish waiting though! 

All car manufacturers will have lean manufacturing best practice in place. The issue I have is that they have no plan and make things up as they go along. Zero communication with customers or dealers. It is not good enough. No excuse for that!

1 hour ago, Rodders45 said:

Yes, paint may have been a bad example for that one!  
 

In the 15 years I’ve been driving Skodas, they’ve never been any better at scheduling production. Same problems, different reasons. 🙄

 

anyways, should anyone care. VRS, black, pano roof, usb-c, sleep pack, winter plus pack. Ordered mid October, given BW2 but not heard anything since…unsure which year BW2 belongs to… 

 

Gutted for you that you've had no news but I think I'd actually go mad if I heard someone ordering almost 6 months after me got their car built this month 🤣

Agree on Skoda being not very good at this generally. I had an Octavia Black Edition on order in 2014, after 5 months of waiting I was told a manual wouldn’t be available, so was told cancel or pay for dsg if I wanted the car. In the end I paid half!

Edited 25 January, 20224 yr by jon_r

15 hours ago, Rodders45 said:

My understanding of how it works is that they use “just in time” methods at the factory, meaning the parts are fitted to cars almost as soon as they arrive because no warehousing is available for the quantities they use. 
 

If a build requires some of the more difficult to get hold of components then it’s possible that they haven’t managed to find a week when all these line up. I.e week 3 they have a batch of pano roofs in so want to build cars with pano roof, but no DSG gearboxes of the correct type that week or even if they have both the (grey) paint line doesn’t have a slot left etc. 

 

I know it’s not great, but it’s the system almost all manufacturers work…BMW are removing spec from their cars ad hoc when they don’t have the parts. No touch screens being delivered in a lot of the models at the moment. 

 

There’s also a possibility that the dealer/Skoda UK has exceeded quotas or is holding back orders once they’ve met targets for the year/qtr/month etc. 

 

It’s rubbish waiting though! 

You are exactly right! I remember watching a good documentary about making the Mini and then use this concept too. 
Also to back up this theory I’ve noticed a fair number of people yesterday with brand new Kodiaq VRSs being collected. Looks like there was a big batch of them put through the factory line perhaps. 

 raised a complaint last week to which the lady came back yesterday. She said she had spoke with skoda UK production and confirmed i had a confirmed build week of 42 which was pulled 3 days before but she couldnt tell me why. She just confirmed that i'd gone from that right back to order accepted by the factory and to speak with my dealer on updates (she has been told hundreds of times i do but they aren't being told anything)

 

Pretty useless again shock horror!

6 minutes ago, AlienAl said:

 raised a complaint last week to which the lady came back yesterday. She said she had spoke with skoda UK production and confirmed i had a confirmed build week of 42 which was pulled 3 days before but she couldnt tell me why. She just confirmed that i'd gone from that right back to order accepted by the factory and to speak with my dealer on updates (she has been told hundreds of times i do but they aren't being told anything)

 

Pretty useless again shock horror!

 

Exactly what I was told. Useless.

Another delivery to report.  My VRS ordered mid August has just turned up.  I went light on extras so no Canton, lane assist, 360 cameras or blindspot monitoring.  Went straight from no build date to left the factory in early December.  Looks nice in Brilliant Silver though.  Really sorry for all those still waiting.  It absolutely ridiculous which order cars are getting built in.

4 minutes ago, Dappernut said:

Another delivery to report.  My VRS ordered mid August has just turned up.  I went light on extras so no Canton, lane assist, 360 cameras or blindspot monitoring.  Went straight from no build date to left the factory in early December.  Looks nice in Brilliant Silver though.  Really sorry for all those still waiting.  It absolutely ridiculous which order cars are getting built in.

This is great news! Good to see cars are slowly coming through the net. Let’s see some pics of your new VRS? This keeps us all motivated lol. How are you finding the VRS so far?

2 hours ago, AlienAl said:

gone from that right back to order accepted by the factory and to speak with my dealer on updates (she has been told hundreds of times i do but they aren't being told anything)

 

I'm on week 31, orders never been accepted by the factory. Hoping it's going to magically turn up. Annoying though how Skoda are pushing customers back to the dealers/retailers for updates, when they've got no info. 
 

33 minutes ago, JaXX2020 said:

How are you finding the VRS so far?

 

It's early to tell really, though the engine feels quite tight and stinky because it's so new obviously.  I'm doing the running in thing, but a relatively light prod of the accelerator revs straight to 4K even in D so it shows every sign of being a hoot.  I was also expecting DCC in Comfort mode to be softer than it appears to be, so the jury is out on that.  ...and there's just so much to set up and tweak to my liking, it'll take a while to get it dialled in.

 

I've also been driving a smaller car as a stop gap since I flogged my S-Max last year, and now the Kodiaq feels massive by comparison.  Maybe I should have gone for 360 cameras after all. 😉

 

All in all extremely happy and can't wait to finish getting it run in so I can enjoy the performance too.

54 minutes ago, JaXX2020 said:

This is great news! Good to see cars are slowly coming through the net. Let’s see some pics of your new VRS? This keeps us all motivated lol. How are you finding the VRS so far?

I dont think the cars are coming through as they should assuming his order is of august 21, so still lots of orders before that pending.