I want to upgrade my front seats to a powered set of kodiaq seats.

Does anyone know of only seat rail differences?

And what would it take electrically connection wise. Thanks

I suspect it is a lot more difficult than you think as the seats have a memory function and also link to the wing mirrors etc. 

It is a lot more complicated these days than adding a few missing wires as everything is continually connected to the computers in the cars and told via that command line what to do.

Edited 20 November, 20214 yr by kenfowler3966

23 hours ago, kenfowler3966 said:

I suspect it is a lot more difficult than you think as the seats have a memory function and also link to the wing mirrors etc. 

It is a lot more complicated these days than adding a few missing wires as everything is continually connected to the computers in the cars and told via that command line what to do.

Good points for me to enquire about. Thanks

Not impossible to do. Good luck 

I'm told that if I don't need memory functions, only movement and lumber support. It's pretty straightforward.

 

2 hours ago, DaleRoyce said:

I'm told that if I don't need memory functions, only movement and lumber support. It's pretty straightforward.

 

That’s one of the best features. My wife and I have only to press button 1 or 2 and seat moves to where we want it in a few seconds.

Mirrors also move to suit.

And so easy to adjust slightly and save the change.

We don’t use the feature but it can be coded to a key so that seat resets to whoever is getting in to drive it before you even get in

20 minutes ago, kenfowler3966 said:

That’s one of the best features. My wife and I have only to press button 1 or 2 and seat moves to where we want it in a few seconds.

Mirrors also move to suit.

And so easy to adjust slightly and save the change.

We don’t use the feature but it can be coded to a key so that seat resets to whoever is getting in to drive it before you even get in

It really does sound great but apparently it requires real Skoda know how. Well above my pay grade, but I will make some calls and see what happens. Picking up the Kodiaq Sportline seats tomorrow. 

..They do look nice though I have to find a new passenger seat airbag.

44 minutes ago, kenfowler3966 said:

That’s one of the best features. My wife and I have only to press button 1 or 2 and seat moves to where we want it in a few seconds.

Mirrors also move to suit.

And so easy to adjust slightly and save the change.

We don’t use the feature but it can be coded to a key so that seat resets to whoever is getting in to drive it before you even get in

 

He stated he may not need them

 

However with good luck and research he may get the memory function.

 

I don't think he is bothered what you and your wife have in your car to be honest

How goods this gonna be! 😊

 

This dream is a hard one to manifest. How can l wire these into my car.?

Every auto electrician Ive called said its way above their heads due to the computers involved.

But I don't really care about the memory functions, I'd be happy if the power wiring loom was replaced and they were wired directly to the fuse box.

All I care about is up/down back/forward and back rest functions. Any advice would be greatly appreciated, Thanks

Page 515 in this guide shows wiring connections for Kodiaq electric seats, this would need to be transposed to Karoq wiring.

https://www.briskoda.net/forums/files/file/41-skoda-kodiaq-current-flow-diagram-workshop-manual/?do=download&csrfKey=d3eb0f16994d6eaa98531a1e8e3f0739

1 minute ago, Kenny R said:

Page 515 in this guide shows wiring connections for Kodiaq electric seats, this would need to be transposed to Karoq wiring.

https://www.briskoda.net/forums/files/file/41-skoda-kodiaq-current-flow-diagram-workshop-manual/?do=download&csrfKey=d3eb0f16994d6eaa98531a1e8e3f0739

 That link isn't working for me. 😞

Without being able to consult that wiring diagram I cannot say for sure but my knowledge of how these systems work in modern VAG vehicles I would be very very surprised if the loom etc that you are seeking to hard wire the seat controls actually exists, especially given the seat memory function linked to the key.

 

I am reasonably confident that any switches on the seat send back a minimal current control signal to the relevant Canbus module that in turn powers the relevant seat motors just in the way that the electric windows and door mirrors work, it will be the Body Control Module or Comfort control module, they keep changing the names, each seat may well have its own canbus node built in, the rear wiper motor does and that is a lot simpler.

 

So I don't think you are going to find a sub loom and if there are wires back to the body control module they will be part of the full vehicle loom which you will not be able to remove and swap.

 

You may be lucky to find that the seats just have one or two power wires, an earth and a twisted pair for the canbus, that would be much simpler to create a seperate sub loom for. At best the bodt control module will need reprogramming for the higher option seats (were they even an option on your vehicle?) at worst you may need a higher revision level module.

 

I could do it, its a more in depth but similar task to adding cruise control to my vehicle, one that I have yet to have the motivation to spend the time on for little reward.

5 minutes ago, J.R. said:

Without being able to consult that wiring diagram I cannot say for sure but my knowledge of how these systems work in modern VAG vehicles I would be very very surprised if the loom etc that you are seeking to hard wire the seat controls actually exists, especially given the seat memory function linked to the key.

 

I am reasonably confident that any switches on the seat send back a minimal current control signal to the relevant Canbus module that in turn powers the relevant seat motors just in the way that the electric windows and door mirrors work, it will be the Body Control Module or Comfort control module, they keep changing the names, each seat may well have its own canbus node built in, the rear wiper motor does and that is a lot simpler.

 

So I don't think you are going to find a sub loom and if there are wires back to the body control module they will be part of the full vehicle loom which you will not be able to remove and swap.

 

You may be lucky to find that the seats just have one or two power wires, an earth and a twisted pair for the canbus, that would be much simpler to create a seperate sub loom for. At best the bodt control module will need reprogramming for the higher option seats (were they even an option on your vehicle?) at worst you may need a higher revision level module.

 

I could do it, its a more in depth but similar task to adding cruise control to my vehicle, one that I have yet to have the motivation to spend the time on for little reward.

 

Powered seats are an option in the Karoq, but these actual seats are not an option. They are solely available in the Kodiaq Sportline.

But they were a steal and exactly what I was dreaming of after driving the Karoq Sportline (Same shape one piece back and Headrest).

today I tested the motors one one of the seats using a 12 volt drill battery connected directly into one of the motors (up/down) and it worked a charm. revered wires to do the opposite movement.

Thats why I see the potential at worst case to wire the motors direct to the fusebox and switches and taking the loom out of the loop altogether. 

Best case is getting the car to see the seat and the seat to do as its told with some coding.

 

Good to know, it sounds like you will find a way, despite all the canbus stuff which really only reduces the number of wires and the conductor sizes, the motors will indeed work if voltage is applied directly to them, be aware that you will lose any over-current protection if the seat is jammed or at the end of its stroke if the system had it.

 

Also the standard switches will almost certainly not be rated for the full motor current but simply to send a control signal to the module.

Also check out any insurance issues before you take the plunge.  

^^^

Thankfully that type of increase in insurance premium are not what can be what many insurance underwriters / brokers impose. 

I have had vehicles that as many as 8 of those modifications & the Modified Vehicles insurance has been no more than a standard vehicle from the factory would be. 

8 minutes ago, roottoot said:

^^^

Thankfully that type of increase in insurance premium are not what can be what many insurance underwriters / brokers impose. 

I have had vehicles that as many as 8 of those modifications & the Modified Vehicles insurance has been no more than a standard vehicle from the factory would be. 

Fair enough. Just saying - best to double check to avoid any nasty surprises.

3 hours ago, smipx said:

Fair enough. Just saying - best to double check to avoid any nasty surprises.

Agreed indeed!

I did suggest before you started that this would be a very difficult upgrade to achieve?

30 minutes ago, kenfowler3966 said:

I did suggest before you started that this would be a very difficult upgrade to achieve?

Very true.

The path I'm taking appears to favour bypassing the original power loom from the car (not including the airbags or sensors connections) and installing a new one that connects directly to the switches and motors via a 12v connection at the fuse box in the dash....

..or not.

 I do know that the presence of motorised mirrors are not an issue either way I go.

 

 

But once you lose the memory part and have to add control switches you may as well stay with manual seats. Only real advantage then is that you can change rake of seat squab and position of lumbar support which manual seats don’t have?

1 hour ago, kenfowler3966 said:

But once you lose the memory part and have to add control switches you may as well stay with manual seats. Only real advantage then is that you can change rake of seat squab and position of lumbar support which manual seats don’t have?

Plus - I personally would not touch a car that has been "mucked around" like this in a million years - no matter how nice the seats look - and I half suspect no trader would either. Especially so as airbags are integrated into the seata - part of Canbus?  Seatbelt pretensioners being fiddled with / near to. Origial specified seats that are designed to collapse in a certain way under certain crash conditions  - possibly thresholds for this different in different cars too. You may well be harming any future residual value unless you keep the original seats and put it all back to the way it was originally prior to selling. I would be thinking "What other hokey pokey DIY mods have been done that the seller is not telling me about?".  I would walk.

 

I would also be amazed if any insurance company would insure you where changes to Airbags related systems and other critical safety systems have been "tinkered with" without being "approved" by someone at VAG or similar.

 

 

Edited 3 December, 20214 yr by smipx

The more you think about it the more complex a seat really is these days: Seatbelt warning system - part of canbus? Bypassing this might be an insurance issue. Child seat integration systems in passenger seat - canbus related ??  

Edited 3 December, 20214 yr by smipx

16 hours ago, smipx said:

Plus - I personally would not touch a car that has been "mucked around" like this in a million years - no matter how nice the seats look - and I half suspect no trader would either. Especially so as airbags are integrated into the seata - part of Canbus?  Seatbelt pretensioners being fiddled with / near to. Origial specified seats that are designed to collapse in a certain way under certain crash conditions  - possibly thresholds for this different in different cars too. You may well be harming any future residual value unless you keep the original seats and put it all back to the way it was originally prior to selling. I would be thinking "What other hokey pokey DIY mods have been done that the seller is not telling me about?".  I would walk.

 

I would also be amazed if any insurance company would insure you where changes to Airbags related systems and other critical safety systems have been "tinkered with" without being "approved" by someone at VAG or similar.

 

 

All extremely compelling reasons to not mess with the car. 

 

I will try and get an official opinion from Skoda or VW this week. 

 

As for DIY mods, thats not really my cuppa tea. And I would retain the original seats for resale value. I am against any mod that will not be reversible. 

 

The air bags system concern and sensor systems is real and would always come before any desire for a seat change. My understanding is they are handled independently and use their own connections to the car, which are the same connections used by my original seats.

 

All that being said. The same seat frame is used in the Karoq Sportline, just without leather. And Powered seats are an option in my Karoq. 

 

I still have a hefty 3 years of warranty and don't wish to upset that.  And insurance would be notified.

 

It's not about the look, it's about the comfort. Lower lumber is superior in motored models and hip tilt is king for long distance trips. And the side supports are just firmer in theses seats.

 

Up down, back and forth, that is in all seats. But If I only got lumber and tilt going with these seats and the rest was manual I would still be happy.

 

Man on the moon, a Rover on Mars, and hopefully me in these seats.