There is no such thing as a summer tyre, or at least there wasn't until the tyre companies realised that by doing nothing more than creating the false term sheeples would invest in a second set of tyres despite living in areas with mild or non existant winters.

 

I was at the point a few days ago of fitting my winter wheels especially as my normal (not summer!) tyres are now at the legal limit but the cold snap stopped after only a couple of days, it was 12° during the night and will be 15° this afternoon, I had to remove several layers of bedclothing during the night.

 

It appears that Picardie where I was living is having the same cold weather as the UK, maybe I should rename the winter wheels  "Les Hauts de France and UK wheels"!

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

"Battery passport" does not mean you need to get a passport for your car. 

 

It wouldn't affect consumer apart from more easily accessible supply chain knowledge about the vehicle. 

 

Read the contents of article you've shared! 

 

 

 

I was thinking that I may buy a (for sake of argument) Chinese car and it may have some sort of specification deviation from the norm, so if the EU are keeping tabs on cars build and quality of components, they may also have a minimum spec for those car's batteries and I could fall foul of their regs if I took a car abroad. Perhaps I'm jumping a couple of stages ahead of the Passport's intent, but I'm suspicious of things like this, as I can see it as a way for import duties etc, to go up on cars (probably from China) into the EU. The next step would be a surcharge to take your vehicle into the EU if it didn't meet EU regs. We might adopt a very subtly different spec on UK cars and then fall foul of EU requirements? I agree, I should have stated all that paranoia in the previous post.

Edited 17 January, 20242 yr by Lady Elanore

The battery passport things sounds like a 'jobs for the boys' project that no-one will really care about other than some legislator that came up with the idea...

 

And the data within it sounds like it'll be very spurious anyway.

I see that two of the 11 partners are BMW and Audi, who probably know a lot about the batteries they use and probably don't need a passport at all. Makes me think they are trying to put a differentiator into worldwide Battery production and possibly have more say when none EU EVs are imported. 

8 minutes ago, Lady Elanore said:

I see that two of the 11 partners are BMW and Audi, who probably know a lot about the batteries they use and probably don't need a passport at all. Makes me think they are trying to put a differentiator into worldwide Battery production and possibly have more say when none EU EVs are imported. 

 

You mean the EU are trying to be protectionist?

22 minutes ago, skomaz said:

 

You mean the EU are trying to be protectionist?

 

 

 

Not me, honest 

 

It feels funny really, we were once part of that 'cabal', but now we're so much on the outside looking in, it hits me every now and then, how isolated we are.

@J.R.you know what summer or warmer weather for any fitting tyres are and that they are fitted to almost every passenger car in the EU and UK unless the buyer makes an option for All Season of All weather or Winter tyres of All Terrains that might or might not be 3 Peak but if they are might still have M+S on them.  So unless they are being called or classed as for anything else it is tyres suppliers that refer to the. As Summer and now so do people.  Unless trying to make out there are no summer tyres. ECO bias as well.   Often crap in many conditions even summer if cold or just wet.   A few cars crashed at the side of the road and also the motorway might still have crashed even if they had the right tyres for the conditions.  Or maybe not had to apply the brakes.  Today at minus 7 to the warmer minus 3 it got to in the last 109 miles I did the issue is the brilliant sunshine and the dirt thrown onto windscreens.   Frozen nipples my issue and like others I was stopping to use water or spray to see out.  Minus 20 windscreen wash being no use when the nozzles are freezing. 

 

Edited 17 January, 20242 yr by Rooted

46 minutes ago, skomaz said:

 

You mean the EU are trying to be protectionist?

Let's just say for a minute the EU is protectionist, who's interests do you think they are protecting?
I thought this had been done to death in previous topics but apparently not <sigh>

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2017/08/14/the-eu-isnt-protectionist-its-one-of-the-most-open-economies-in-the-world/

Edited 17 January, 20242 yr by @Lee

Well BYD will get on with building cars in Hungary and VW will hope to keep building and selling in China with any partner that is stupid enough to work with them. 

33 minutes ago, @Lee said:

Let's just say for a minute the EU is protectionist, who's interests do you think they are protecting?
I thought this had been done to death in previous topics but apparently not <sigh>

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2017/08/14/the-eu-isnt-protectionist-its-one-of-the-most-open-economies-in-the-world/

 

I wanna be in the gang 😞 

41 minutes ago, Lady Elanore said:

 

I wanna be in the gang 😞 

 

You and the other ~59.9999999% of people polled for some time now.

To keep things EV related... the delayed RoO tarriffs have been delayed in a one off agreement until 1/1/2027. Not necessary had the UK stayed in, mind like so much else.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_23_6707
 

Edited 17 January, 20242 yr by @Lee

1 hour ago, @Lee said:

Let's just say for a minute the EU is protectionist, who's interests do you think they are protecting?
I thought this had been done to death in previous topics but apparently not <sigh>

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2017/08/14/the-eu-isnt-protectionist-its-one-of-the-most-open-economies-in-the-world/

 

The EU's stance is one of what it considers fair competition.  So it has Anti-Dumping powers if goods are people sold cheaper to the EU than in that country's own market, it presumes the goods are being "dumped" to destroy the EU's manufacturing so one destroyed that exporter can move in and supply with a profitable export to the EU after a period of destroying the EU's manufacturing base.  This is Anti Dumping Duty ie tariffs.

 

There is also Countervailing Duties that can be used to recover perceived losses in other areas, we have used this more against the USA than even China.

There is also Safeguarding measures, or quota measures, can be quickly put in place to stop apparent quickly developing situations that threaten EU home supply interests. 

 

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An anti-dumping duty can be imposed if goods have been brought in at a dumped price, i.e. they have been sold for export at a price that is lower than the cost of production or the domestic prices. Anti-dumping duties are often imposed on particular companies.

A countervailing duty can be imposed if a country has subsidised its exports. A product may be subject to both an anti-dumping duty and a countervailing duty.

A safeguard duty or a quota can be imposed if unexpectedly increasing imports pose a threat to EU industries. Safeguard measures can be imposed quickly, and their validity is shorter than that of anti-dumping and countervailing measures. The safeguard measures concern all non-EU countries, i.e. third countries.

The imposition anti-dumping and countervailing measures is always preceded by an investigation. The investigation takes up to 14 months (anti-dumping duty) or 13 months (countervailing duty).

Definitive measures, an anti-dumping duty or a countervailing duty, can be imposed after the investigation. They are to lapse after five years.

Provisional measures. The Commission can impose provisional measures during an investigation, no earlier than 60 days from initiation and no later than 7 to 8 months thereafter. A provisional anti-dumping duty is imposed for a period of up to of six months. A provisional countervailing duty is imposed for a period of up to of four months. A guarantee must be lodged them. The guarantee is collected as definitive, if a definitive anti-dumping or countervailing duty is imposed.

 

 

 

 

Thanks the the OT EU posts…

They can stop now on this thread thanks.

Sainsburys to go one step further and not just host and EV charging network, such as Pod point like many do, but actually become their own EV charging network in their 1400 stores

If Tescos do not match this might have to switch allegiances to JS from TESCOs.  If the price is good, hopefully close to TESLA closing charge prices. 

 

 

 

Just don't hold your breathe on JS being at around Tesla prices.

 

Oh dear, Tesla caught bending the truth slightly.

 

 

Creating their own EV network is smart, just like it was for fuel stations.

 

1) it’s can be a loss leader to bring people to your stores

2) or you might make some money off it

3) people will likely do a big shop not a grab an item and fuel.

4) They don’t have to pay the third party so can afford to be cheaper.

5) They already have a bigger estate than any charging company.

6) Maintenance teams regularly visit the sites for store equipment so they should be maintained .

7) Bigger users get better commercial unit pricing.

 

They already have a comprehensive set of sites over the whole country, many with cafe/restaurants.

These sites have huge roofs and car parks, perfect for solar/battery to bring down the costs and offset the refrigeration costs of the stores too. Wouldn’t be bad to get some sites wind turbines too.

 

Add 6 high 150kW/350kW to all large sites and a series of 7/11/22kW posts in the car parks and the can clean up.

 

Police the high speed on idle time and charge after 15 minutes and both on being ICE’d and there’s an extra short term revenue stream.

 

Offer a lower price per kWh if you buy something in store, scan your voucher before disconnect.

 

So many stores near the main roads and motorways too, so I’m very pleased to see this. 
 

The big players have got too comfortable with some charging silly prices.

 

https://smartcharge.co.uk

 

Edited 18 January, 20242 yr by cheezemonkhai

Battery sealing paste shortages now an issue I read on Autocar.   Cupra Born recalled cars waiting weeks for recall work to be completed after checks carried out.   If VW or Audi EV,s get the job completed before any Skoda or Cupra might do that will not be unusual with the VW group and Audi,s.     PS.  My Wild Bean hot drink at 1/2 price when charging at BP stations with BP Pulse is pretty much needed after getting soaked or frozen trying to get a charge started.  Still expensive for a hot drink.  The other day when stopping in an ICE vehicles to use the toilet the card got me the discount as it is just a matter of showing it. 

Edited 18 January, 20242 yr by Rooted

52 minutes ago, cheezemonkhai said:

Creating their own EV network is smart, just like it was for fuel stations.

 

1) it’s can be a loss leader to bring people to your stores

2) or you might make some money off it

3) people will likely do a big shop not a grab an item and fuel.

4) They don’t have to pay the third party so can afford to be cheaper.

5) They already have a bigger estate than any charging company.

6) Maintenance teams regularly visit the sites for store equipment so they should be maintained .

7) Bigger users get better commercial unit pricing.

 

They already have a comprehensive set of sites over the whole country, many with cafe/restaurants.

These sites have huge roofs and car parks, perfect for solar/battery to bring down the costs and offset the refrigeration costs of the stores too. Wouldn’t be bad to get some sites wind turbines too.

 

Add 6 high 150kW/350kW to all large sites and a series of 7/11/22kW posts in the car parks and the can clean up.

 

Police the high speed on idle time and charge after 15 minutes and both on being ICE’d and there’s an extra short term revenue stream.

 

Offer a lower price per kWh if you buy something in store, scan your voucher before disconnect.

 

So many stores near the main roads and motorways too, so I’m very pleased to see this. 
 

The big players have got too comfortable with some charging silly prices.

 

https://smartcharge.co.uk

 

Making the move to be the first putting in rapid chargers in it's car parks is a smart move as you say. Hopefully Tesco and Asda will follow - ASDA very likely under the EG group's banner of EVPoint.

The Ludlow chargers with Sainsbury will be useful for travelling to south Wales for rugby, getting a swift top-up on the return journey. If not in a rush though, I'll probably still use Instavolt at Leominster OK Diner while getting dinner.

The Harrogate store might struggle to get custom when the Tesla chargers down the road are 49p off peak.

Edited 18 January, 20242 yr by Luckypants

23 minutes ago, Rooted said:

Battery sealing paste shortages now an issue I read on Autocar.   Cupra Born recalled cars waiting weeks for recall work to be completed after checks carried out.   If VW or Audi EV,s get the job completed before any Skoda or Cupra might do that will not be unusual with the VW group and Audi,s.     PS.  My Wild Bean hot drink at 1/2 price when charging at BP stations with BP Pulse is pretty much needed after getting soaked or frozen trying to get a charge started.  Still expensive for a hot drink.  The other day when stopping in an ICE vehicles to use the toilet the card got me the discount as it is just a matter of showing it. 

Much talked about on VW forums and FB groups. All early cars were checked under a recall for cell issues and most are fine. Some need cell replacements and this has led to the sealing paste shortage. There has also been a shortage of the closing bolts for the battery packs due to the only factory that made being in Ukraine. Switching production to another factory has been slow due to needing to source he right grade of steel and certify the bolts to VW standards. Both problems have left some cars waiting for service for many weeks.

This test is pretty interesting, is it just Tesla or do others perform as good?

 

 

Personally as far as Tesla, big battery cars on UK roads, maybe even oop north in Scotland any of the drivers can cope even getting stopped at Snow Gates for several hours as long as they did plan ahead as far as charging fully before entering the high risk areas.   It is the likes of me with a 50 kWh battery or much less like 30 kWh that really needs to decide how bad it can get if roads close or you need to take a diversion.   Only maybe 75 to 90 miles range if moving. Bad enough around the A9 or A90 but in Deeside and the Cairngorms getting turned back or stuck on the A93, or A939 or the roads there take you too can be horrible.  Instead of going maybe 30 miles a diversion can be more than 100 miles and still in horrible road conditions.  

Edited 18 January, 20242 yr by Rooted

29 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

This test is pretty interesting, is it just Tesla or do others perform as good?

 

 

A lot do perform as well. Last winter there was a big traffic jam in a blizzard in the USA and folks were stuck for days. Some ICE cars needed refilling with fuel as they were running out after running their engines for many hours and the EV doom-sayers were going on how you couldn't top up a battery on the road in this manner. I think that furore is what prompted this video.

Coincidentally, someone on the ID.3 Facebook group posted today about exactly this experience he faced yesterday, stuck in a traffic jam in Germany for 14 hours in -5 temps. He was worried as his journey plan had been to stop at the next planned charger with 20% battery (58kWh usable full battery on his car). The worry was would he have enough charge left to reach the charger as he 'only' had 20% margin. He turned the heat down to 16C and used the heated seats to keep body warm. There was himself and partner in the car, kids on back seat with a blanket. When the traffic cleared he was able to make it to the next available charger (not his planned stop) with 10% battery spare. Seems a non-issue to me.

My ID.4 uses about 2.1kW to heat the car at -1 to -3 and run various systems. I could maybe get that to 1.9kW if I turned the car off and only used stationary heating and heated seats. With a maximum of 75kWh (full battery) I'd be fine for around 38 hours. Of course in the real world, I'd be arriving at the problem with less than that but you can see where I'm coming from. My car does not have a heat pump, cars so equipped will use less power to maintain temperature.

The issue really is being able to open windows a bit and stopping vehicles of any kind steaming up.  This being an issue in blizzard like conditions.  Wind deflectors can help there.  Also EV,s not in the very coldest conditions but in traffic slow or convoys and no windscreen wash available.  Frozen windscreens and wipers from lack of heated screens or interior heat.    Maybe that is more a UK thing with Island nations and temperatures and few and far between times like any winter conditions in less populated areas and high level roads.    Like where EV charging is at it,s least reliable and fewer. 

I see on the telly that the Prince of Wales was driving an Audi e-tron carbon vorsprung.  About as near a  British  EV as the Royals can get.