this is a very well presented view

 

 

Edited 29 June, 20241 yr by Winston_Woof

Octopus Go users remember to reprogram ones car to take advantage of the hour of super cheap extra charging.

 

It's like the good news of the clocks changing but in this case never going back.

 

Hopefully a permanent change ie 5 hours cheap per day rather than 4.

 

Additional advantage of those devices like the fridge freezer that are on all the time effectively being a few percent cheaper to run for this alone, even when prices go back up in October.

 

Should have credit with Octopus after 3 months of much lower prices despite only paying £125 a month for lecky and gas for a biggish house and  charging an EV.

 

Happy days.

 

Well it would seem that Geoff Buys Cars actually has real genuine content on his channel, who would have guessed that eh? Volvo has withdrawn the EX30 electric car from sale, only pre-existing cars in stock can be ordered he claims, (I think he has that wrong as they have or are refunding existing owners) and they have taken the car down from their online configurator because it has so many software bugs.

 

And by way of supporting evidence, here is a link to their online sales website, where it also states that the EX30 is no longer available for customer configuration.

 

Configure your EX30 | Volvo Cars UK

 

The Volvo EX30 Just Got Delayed Until 2025 (msn.com)

 

 

Edited 2 July, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

Just now, Graham Butcher said:

Well it would seem that Geoff Buys Cars actually has real genuine content on his channel, who would have guessed that eh? Volvo has with drawn the EX30 electric car from sale, only pre-existing cars in stock can be ordered and they have taken the car down from their online configurator because it has so many software bugs. They have also refunded many customers as well.  

 

And by way of supporting evidence, here is a link to their online sales website, where it also states that the EX30 is no longer available for customer configuration.

 

Configure your EX30 | Volvo Cars UK

 

 

 

More importantly I suspect Geely will not be able to sell cars in the EU and probably UK when we inevitably align with the EU on the massive extra 38% Ad Valorem countervailing tariff.

 

Chinese are quite good at sorting software issues as they did with VW cars and VAG investing billions in Chinese software company.

 

9 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Well it would seem that Geoff Buys Cars actually has real genuine content on his channel, who would have guessed that eh? Volvo has withdrawn the EX30 electric car from sale, only pre-existing cars in stock can be ordered he claims, (I think he has that wrong as they have or are refunding existing owners) and they have taken the car down from their online configurator because it has so many software bugs.

 

And by way of supporting evidence, here is a link to their online sales website, where it also states that the EX30 is no longer available for customer configuration.

 

Configure your EX30 | Volvo Cars UK

 

 

 

? 

https://www.volvocars.com/de/build?utm_campaign=de_masterbrand_range_consideration-action_alwayson_bgn_alon_mxd_ger&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwyo60BhBiEiwAHmVLJV1Wlwxnxve_m0zuy75d_ks6NYBFEPiyEIpFEcPewlybK1GpsfKqJxoCl6IQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds 

 

The Volvo issue is being talked about in the Volvo EX30 thread:

 

Strange how they have not taken it off the market in Germany?

Electric vehicle registration continue to power ahead in the UK.....

https://www.smmt.co.uk/vehicle-data/car-registrations/

 

PHEVs overtake diesels as they move off the bottom of the table and wiesels become the bottom of the stack.  Wonder how long before they join hydrogen cars as too insignificant to enter the data in to the SMMT table ie give it to 2027 I reckon, ie way before 2030.  Though I presume some of the PHEVs are diesel, Merc E300de, any others as I am struggling to think of any others ?  Is the Merc still on sales ? Was last year ie 2023 I read somewhere.  Bet its very heavy. 

 

 

Edited 4 July, 20241 yr by lol-lol

As to the above and my households own selection of cars ie one pure EV, the Zoe, one full hybrid, the Clio e-tech, and one mild hybrid, the Arkana 1.333 with its coasting function.

 

I think they are all great and the petrol engined ones get good range, despite the Clio nly having a 39 litre tank ie gets over 500 miles of range, the Arkana, biggish car and gets 600 miles range from its relatively small fossil fuel 50 litre tank, but EVs are getting good so quick I am hoping to get rid of the Arkana for an EV that is big but can do nearly 400 miles on a charge ie the Scenic long range.

 

As to others I know that have recently got full hybrids many of those cars are for tax dodge reasons and not environmental.  They are driven like they are formula one cars when the traction battery is there is complement the already very powerful petrol engine and I know some of my colleagues are incredibly managing to get less than 40 mpg.

 

I am confident EVs are making substantial improvements YoY so hopefully there replacement car, in the next few years, will be a full EV, only then can we hope to get UK CO2, along with home and industry heat pumps of course, down to the target of halving it by the end of the decade.  

 

here's a radical idea to help reduce CO2: limit the number of vehicles a household can own. Ok I know that each person can only drive one vehicle at a time (so maybe limit the number of vehicles per person instead) but if less vehicles are built then less CO2 etc is produced at source.

(of course this will unlikely ever happen)

FAO @lol-lol Just seen this - not read it yet. 
Tariffs of 'up to' 38% on Chinese EVs 
https://www.dw.com/en/eu-slaps-tariffs-of-up-to-38-on-chinese-electric-vehicles/a-69557494
 

Just heard it on radio.

Something for the New UK Government to get dealt with very soon as in like this weekend.

I was going to post Big Trouble in Little China,  but actually big trouble for the Little UK and car manufacturers that export to China.

The Luxury vehicles exported to Chinas's prices might no be affected if China take reciprocal actions. 

Here they show as much as 48%.

The other articles say 38% when 37.6%.   Is it like pick a number any number, big differences to car prices for some, even when only part of 1%.

 

 

 

I see tariffs being referred to as "provisional" and vary by manufacturer

 

Present indications suggest in Europe the Tesla M3 will be more expensive than Tesla MY

 

( some sort of anti-dumping measure ... )

 

 

 

Strange conclusion. Newer Jag won everything, even charged 50% more, but still declared similar enough. That's the sort of difference I'd choose one EV over another.

 

Although Tesla should charge faster if it had been pre-conditioned, didn't mentioned if it had pre-conditioned in the video.

 

As battery age, traditional wisdom is that its internal resistance increase. So based on that, in theory, flat out performance and charging rate will suffer as it ages. Which it did judging from the 0-62 figures.

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

 

 

As battery age, traditional wisdom is that its internal resistance increase. So based on that, in theory, flat out performance and charging rate will suffer as it ages. Which it did judging from the 0-62 figures.

 however unlike ICE where performance is less affected by age & usage  (although  I do accept it may be influenced by service history etc) the only way of restoring performance is an outright battery swap. ICE vehicles you can swap out components such as turbos etc.

Also refuelling rate isn't affected by age & useage ;o)

Performance even when reduced might well beyond anything anyone in the UK ever needs or uses.

0-30 or 40, 50, 60 or even 70 mph.

 

Reduced range / miles available with a BEV from a charge also might be as much as many need.  

It is true ICE can be restored with many of independent garages around. More importantly there is plenty of knowledge people to do that. There is a skill deficit for EV’s. 
 

After 400k miles, I personally think this kind of performance from the Model S under tested is very good. End of the day, as transportation, it still effortlessly fulfils its primary role and thus battery replacement is not needed. 

On 17/06/2024 at 13:54, Graham Butcher said:

You had the best car for charging (Tesla) and the best software for information on routing from A to B including charge stops, it calculates it all for you, not all cars are equal in that respect.

no, the tesla only uses Tesla chargers for plannign so it is far from the best. In Northern Ireland for example it told me to divert 100 miles to a Tesla charger, but the return trip (200 miles) would have meant I was back at square 1. The Skoda system in my new Enyaq is much better

On 04/07/2024 at 17:11, olddog said:

I see tariffs being referred to as "provisional" and vary by manufacturer

 

Present indications suggest in Europe the Tesla M3 will be more expensive than Tesla MY

 

( some sort of anti-dumping measure ... )

 

 

 

It is countervailing rather than ADD or Retaliarory duty different rules for each. This sit on top of the customs duty which is oddly referred to as the Most Favoured Nation or full rate.

 

Provional period is normally 6 months when the party the CV duty is aimed at a chance to present further information. The CV may be set for 3 or even 6 years then.

 

EU sounds to me like it is being quite fair and the CV duty matches the Chinese government export subsidy.

 

All can be reviewed by the World Trade Organisation which 99% of countries are signatories, and the WTO can make a decesion.

 

5 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

EU sounds to me like it is being quite fair and the CV duty matches the Chinese government export subsidy.

 

Fair that M3 will cost more than MY  ???

 

On a broader note, why most EU EV manufacturers stating that they are not in favour of this carry on ?

2 hours ago, domhnall said:

no, the tesla only uses Tesla chargers for plannign so it is far from the best. In Northern Ireland for example it told me to divert 100 miles to a Tesla charger, but the return trip (200 miles) would have meant I was back at square 1. The Skoda system in my new Enyaq is much better

I'm 100% sure that has changed. The screen now shows other rapid chargers with proven track record (historic successful charging from other cars in their fleet) and will route via those if no other option. I've seen it plan route this way whilst on Isle of Skye, which has no superchargers.

 

This is the benefit with always updating infotainment system.

 

1 hour ago, olddog said:

Fair that M3 will cost more than MY  ???

Remember all the tariffs are invisible to the consumer behind manufacturer's recommended prices.

 

I suspect to the consumer, M3 will always be positioned slightly cheaper than MY. My guess is that at most, we'll see a fire sale for MY (via interest rate and free charging) as it is near getting face lifted, then introduction of new MY at higher profit margin.

9 hours ago, olddog said:

 

Fair that M3 will cost more than MY  ???

On a broader note, why most EU EV manufacturers stating that they are not in favour of this carry on ?

 

If the Tesla made in the EU, which I gather RHD ones are starting to be made in Berlin, then there could be no customs duties at all ie not even the 10% MFN rate I reference to about as under the Trade Cooperation Agreement the EU and UK have but it has to be 50% originating in the EU, but that includes not just parts and labout and even an element of profit usually, I have not looked in to the specific rules on EVs under the TCA.

 

The transfer price between China and UK may be much lower than you think. I have been a customs officer for part of the biggest stores of cars in the UK ie Portbury docks Bristol and found the operation very enlightening.  The company that has just bought who I have worked for for over a decade is the worlds largest mover of Finished vehicles, over 4M I hear, so I will be interested to see how much the tariff pulls in.  I would expect much of what is at the UK and EU docks, in bond, to be removed as the tax comes in so there might be some deals in the weeks to come so chinese made cars are not sat customs cleared at the port for too long.  I want to see the M3 SR drop well below £40k but I am still leaning towards the Renault Scenic as by next EV.

 

 

 

"I want to see the M3 SR drop well below £40k "      

 

M3 SR = entry level M3 ?

 

I'm in Euroland, price seems to be there already for us

 

https://www.tesla.com/en_IE/inventory/new/m3?arrangeby=plh&range=0

5 hours ago, olddog said:

 

 

"I want to see the M3 SR drop well below £40k "      

 

M3 SR = entry level M3 ?

 

I'm in Euroland, price seems to be there already for us

 

https://www.tesla.com/en_IE/inventory/new/m3?arrangeby=plh&range=0

 

Not here, still just under £40k so what's that, about 43k Euros ?

 

RHD models might expect to be about 6% more expensive due to lower volumes of sales and therefore higher tooling and production costs due to the lower production rung, according to a big 4 accountancy firm pronouncement sine time ago.

 

We should be seeing base model 3s for less than £38k I reckon but when, only when sales start to dry up I suppose.