Following on from the Ford Transit PHEV van, maybe this could be the future of trucking, spoiler alert it still involves a diesel engine.

 

 

 

Edited 25 September, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

6 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Most Vloggers these days are monetised and for many now, it is their main source of income

Cite needed.

2 hours ago, Lady Elanore said:

This is an interesting vid. The main rant isn't about the car (seemingly universally loved, as the most fun EV you can buy) but about the infrastructure buggering up their day a bit. 

 

 

This car has been featured already here and it dies indeed seem to be a good car for people to convert over to EV in as Matt said as it provides a realistic feel of a normal ICE car but as so many other people ICE drivers/owners have said before it is the current charging situation that badly lets EVs down and also the sheer amount of time it takes to refuel them. Fine for those who have the time to waste or those that are prepared to go and buy a meal etc, or something else to occupy the time, but time is the one thing that you cannot get back, so time for me (currently) is valuable, and resources are limited so always using a superfast DC charger with their costs etc is also not an option for me.

^^^ So do not get an EV, simples.  Do not even stress about getting an EV, they are not for you. 

 

Time can be spent earning money / working for yourself or others and not going for meals or drinks. 

The saving on running an EV for business use can more than pay for time stopped charging even if the employee has a good salary.

Maybe they make more than enough while not driving to make a couple of hours in the day not travelling worth while. 

 

The Time to refuel vehicles that can Ultra Rapid charge is not that long.   Hence so many Tesla used for business use and Tesla charging.

You keep missing that many reps or commercial travellers do some work while charging. 

 

 

 

 

 

The future for Log Hauling Trucks in the UK is already happening, and the Diesel / Electric thing as well. 

Different continents and different demands. 

In the UK the companies contracted are expected by the companies they work for to be reducing emissions.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 25 September, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Time is so valuable for you Graham, that you find giant wodges of it every day to post in this thread.

I will have 2 times 40 minutes charging time tomorrow, getting 25 kW of charging free at an Osprey charger as a gift from Eon Next. 

By the time i stop, get the charger working, maybe take some pictures and post on here or make a phone call or 3 it is time to go. 

Chargers that play up are a PITA but that is usually just ones were a CPS RFID card or app is used to start them, or BP Pulse ones that i have now stopped even going to. 

 

Yet to charge the car to 100% yet but will after midnight at 7 pence a kW, so a cheap 250 miles, 100 miles from my home tariff, then a Free charge after that @ 38 pence a kWh to 100% tomorrow.  Then in the following days charges to full at 31 pence & 59 pence a kWh before i will be home to charge again.

(not been able to get the cars Delayed charge starting at 12am yet and i have had to start the charging from the phone App remotely, i will see if it works tonight. Tried and tried and tried again just like the spider and Robert the Bruce.)

Edited 25 September, 20241 yr by Ootohere

51 minutes ago, Breezy_Pete said:

Time is so valuable for you Graham, that you find giant wodges of it every day to post in this thread.

 

I'm sure you are but you don't sound very appreciative of the sacrifice he is making for you (and the rest of us) Pete 🤣

1 hour ago, Breezy_Pete said:

Time is so valuable for you Graham, that you find giant wodges of it every day to post in this thread.

Exactly, I'm retired, spending time with my family, making some long trips at times for pleasure. I'd rather be at home with my loved ones rather than charging at this point, a none existent EV at some remote location in order to complete the drive home. So like you, a diesel car fits my bill perfectly.

 

If I was still working, with a company car, and they provided an EV, fine I and the company would have to accept the limitations that accompany them at times. I do object to be told that If I wanted to buy a brand-new car after a certain date, that I must buy an EV full stop.

Edited 25 September, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

@Ootohere ok I watched that truck video and I'm puzzled as to what it is that I'm supposed to be learning from it. The trucks he has are all pure diesels, no hint of electric or any attempts at emission reductions either, both of which you mentioned in your post? Nothing special in his logging trucks when compared to others, they either have their own truck mounted crane so they self load/unload or they have dedicated loaders and unloaders at each end of the trip.

He also made a rather silly comment about wearing his seatbelt and how he had been comments about him not wearing it, so he has admitted being illegal by not wearing it. In the UK it is a legal requirement for HGV drivers to wear a seatbelt is it not?

Turns out that we have been making some electric trucks, here in the UK, just a few miles from me as it happens, in Tilbury.  They sold a few and then in March this year they invited companies to go to their factory and test drive the trucks. Long story short, the UK market is so ready for them that in May this year they appointed a receiver to save the company which as the rescue bid fell through, the future is very bleak for them.

 

 

Electric Tevva truck to drive student skills at MIRA Technology Institute (vanfleetworld.co.uk)

 

Tevva kicks off 2024 electric truck test-drive programme (vanfleetworld.co.uk)

 

Tevva prepares to call in administrators while seeking rescue deal (vanfleetworld.co.uk)

 

 

It is not illegal to not wear a seatbelt on private land and roads like a logging road.

That is not the Kings Highway and open to the public. 

These roads in Scotland are not GREEN LANES as there are in England.

 

 

@Graham Butcher  Point of the Trucking vid. Stay calm and carry on.  Your country needs you. 

We have had in the threads already the vids on the Electric Trucks being trialled in Scotland where the journeys / locations suit them.

So that guy and their trucks are doing a similar thing but where there is not the infrastructure or where they are forced to do anything different from how they have always done things.

So what that is is just like you, run your diesel, get on with sitting about or driving and fill with diesel, petrol lpg or what ever when ever. 

 

DeJavu.

 

 

Edited 26 September, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Oh, I see, I had to replay the quiet bits a few times to see if there was a clue there about going electric. I was thinking the clue was in the title, running 2 trucks. One was on charge while while the other was being loaded, taken to the destination, unloaded and back to the yard, swapped for the other one being charged, then repeating during day. 👍

6 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

@Ootohere ok I watched that truck video and I'm puzzled as to what it is that I'm supposed to be learning from it. The trucks he has are all pure diesels, no hint of electric or any attempts at emission reductions either, both of which you mentioned in your post? Nothing special in his logging trucks when compared to others, they either have their own truck mounted crane so they self load/unload or they have dedicated loaders and unloaders at each end of the trip.

He also made a rather silly comment about wearing his seatbelt and how he had been comments about him not wearing it, so he has admitted being illegal by not wearing it. In the UK it is a legal requirement for HGV drivers to wear a seatbelt is it not?

In the UK  on land to which the public can be realistically expected to have access 

You do not need to wear a seat belt if you’re:

a driver who is reversing, or supervising a learner driver who is reversing

in a vehicle being used for police, fire and rescue services

a passenger in a trade vehicle and you’re investigating a fault

driving a goods vehicle on deliveries that is travelling no more than 50 metres between stops

a licensed taxi driver who is looking for customers either by being hailed in the street or by waiting at a taxi rank (known as ‘plying for hire’)

a licensed taxi driver or a driver of a private hire vehicle who is carrying passengers

Private hire vehicles include minicabs, chauffeur services or limousines

Or if you have a medical exemption or if the vehicle is not fitted with seat belts (ie vintage/veteran)

(Disclaimer : italics are something I believe to be a general principle to cover places such as car parks however further research on specific law /legal requirements apply)

https://www.gov.uk/seat-belts-law/when-you-dont-need-to-wear-a-seat-belt

2 minutes ago, Winston_Woof said:

In the UK  on land to which the public can be realistically expected to have access 

You do not need to wear a seat belt if you’re:

a driver who is reversing, or supervising a learner driver who is reversing

in a vehicle being used for police, fire and rescue services

a passenger in a trade vehicle and you’re investigating a fault

driving a goods vehicle on deliveries that is travelling no more than 50 metres between stops

a licensed taxi driver who is looking for customers either by being hailed in the street or by waiting at a taxi rank (known as ‘plying for hire’)

a licensed taxi driver or a driver of a private hire vehicle who is carrying passengers

Private hire vehicles include minicabs, chauffeur services or limousines

Or if you have a medical exemption or if the vehicle is not fitted with seat belts (ie vintage/veteran)

(Disclaimer : italics are something I believe to be a general principle to cover places such as car parks however further research on specific law /legal requirements apply)

https://www.gov.uk/seat-belts-law/when-you-dont-need-to-wear-a-seat-belt

That's what googled as well but in the video he was saying that the area he was in was a well known tourist spot so he should have been wearing seat belt I thought, he was certainly not delivering parcels, public were on the road etc. 

2 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

That's what googled as well but in the video he was saying that the area he was in was a well known tourist spot so he should have been wearing seat belt I thought, he was certainly not delivering parcels, public were on the road etc. 

shock horror

Youtuber breaking UK law whilst driving on public roads in the UK ?

Whatever next?

Cameras obstructing half the windscreen?
Exceeding the posted speed limit?
Driving whilst distracted (pieces to camera)?


Wonder what other common examples there are ?

The two trucks mentioned where at two different sites?

 

The one discussed in depth was to perform movements of logs/wood 4 mile each way.

 

For trucking the goal will to be to get the vehicles capable of meeting Tacho requirements. Cover driving time and charge in breaks. I am sure it will be done.

16 minutes ago, Winston_Woof said:

In the UK  on land to which the public can be realistically expected to have access 

You do not need to wear a seat belt if you’re:

a driver who is reversing, or supervising a learner driver who is reversing

in a vehicle being used for police, fire and rescue services

a passenger in a trade vehicle and you’re investigating a fault

driving a goods vehicle on deliveries that is travelling no more than 50 metres between stops

a licensed taxi driver who is looking for customers either by being hailed in the street or by waiting at a taxi rank (known as ‘plying for hire’)

a licensed taxi driver or a driver of a private hire vehicle who is carrying passengers

Private hire vehicles include minicabs, chauffeur services or limousines

Or if you have a medical exemption or if the vehicle is not fitted with seat belts (ie vintage/veteran)

(Disclaimer : italics are something I believe to be a general principle to cover places such as car parks however further research on specific law /legal requirements apply)

https://www.gov.uk/seat-belts-law/when-you-dont-need-to-wear-a-seat-belt

For completeness 

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1993/176/contents

4 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

The two trucks mentioned where at two different sites?

 

The one discussed in depth was to perform movements of logs/wood 4 mile each way.

 

For trucking the goal will to be to get the vehicles capable of meeting Tacho requirements. Cover driving time and charge in breaks. I am sure it will be done.

That cant be difficult surely?

What's the difference in Tacho requirements between a petrol, a diesel & an EV?

All the same surely as its related to time & distance not to motive power

15 minutes ago, Winston_Woof said:

For completeness 

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1993/176/contents

Same document that I Googled 👍

1 hour ago, Stonekeeper said:

The two trucks mentioned where at two different sites?

 

The one discussed in depth was to perform movements of logs/wood 4 mile each way.

 

For trucking the goal will to be to get the vehicles capable of meeting Tacho requirements. Cover driving time and charge in breaks. I am sure it will be done.

Hence why I thought, one on charge while the other is hauling, next trip they get swapped over and again over and over again because of hill climbing taking its toll on the batteries 😉. I know of a council who purchased electric vans for their maintenance teams to use, only to find out that they could not use them effectively owing to hills  consuming the power when loaded. 

Edited 26 September, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

59 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Hence why I thought, one on charge while the other is hauling, next trip they get swapped over and again over and over again because of hill climbing taking its toll on the batteries 😉. I know of a council who purchased electric vans for their maintenance teams to use, only to find out that could not use them effectively owing to hills  consuming the power when loaded. 

trolley buses were the solution , ahead of their time 

3 minutes ago, Winston_Woof said:

trolley buses were the solution , ahead of their time 

In the same way as the Sinclair C5 😆

On 17/09/2024 at 22:03, wyx087 said:

 

😛

No EV needed for purchase.

Please form an orderly queue, ladies. 😄

@Graham Butcher Dundee Councils fleet of vans does very well, bin lorries, street sweepers as well.  The thing is if you climb hills you then have to descend hills.  So Regen. It's just common sense really. Their fleet was 233 electric vehicles according to their website when I looked.  Which council in the UK had vans for the maintenance teams that found climbing hills and issue for range?  Back with the early Nissan and Renault electric vans going 90 miles was an issue even where not hilly. I knew maintenance persons that could not carry much and did not carry passengers, and were allowed 3 hours in a shift for charging. 

Edited 26 September, 20241 yr by Ootohere

13 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

@Graham Butcher The thing is if you climb hills you then have to descend hills.   It's just common sense really. Their fleet was 233 electric vehicles according to their website when I looked.  Which council in the UK had vans for the maintenance teams that found climbing hills and issue for range?  Back with the early Nissan and Renault electric vans go 90 miles was an issue even where not hilly. 

 

Well, yes it is of course common sense that you have to descend them there hills but, when doing so, you never replace the same amount of power that you use to climb those hills, even on maximum regen. And when you have to ascend and descend multiple hills to reach the actual worksite, which does not have the capability to recharge the battery by the end of the shift in order to do the return journey up and down the same hills to return to the depot. Then those vans are not upto the job clearly.

 

These vans were used by the electrical dept who did not only the maintenance of public buildings but also new installations including a couple of Nightingale Hospital conversions etc, and they were in Yorkshire, so I'm guessing that would be Yorkshire County Council as I doubt that any town council would be getting involved in such projects, they would be more involved in housing repairs and are more likely to be using contractors.