7 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

No I am saying that since 2010 and Charge Place Scotland there was many EV,s going on the roads because of the availability of Public Charging, free rapid charging. Then 6 year interest free loans had private buyers, and Motability lease ev,s then the Fleet vehicles and councils, health boards, utilities and others putting EV,s on the road.  Early adopters and not just home charger drivers.   That is what I am saying.  And Arnold Clark and others First Registering EV,s in Scotland.  Not only loans for private buyers, grants and loans for business users different from the Westminster system.    Easy enough to look at 10 to 12 year old used EV,s for sale and see how many were first registered in Scotland from taxi fleets and hire companies. 

I also understand that you were able to enjoy some free power at times in Scotland, that said however, going back through many of the photos that you have posted where the registration plates can be clearly seen and read without any confusion, about 90% or more of them all start with the letter "S" and that means that they were first registered in Scotland, very few plates not showing S as the first letter, which seems to reinforce the figures I posted earlier have a very high percentage of being correct.

 

This site breaks down a registration plate into the area of the country where it was registered and then into the town etc.

 

UK Number Plate Area Codes Explained - Car.co.uk

 

 

It was free power for many years.  I stared a thread after the cheap years were ending.   It is just you were not aware apparently of much that went on before you started posting in this section, and even after you started.  What I was posting about early today was you not seeing many EV,s means jack sh|t really.   As it is you appear to miss many things.  Like the point people make.    Pictures I post are mostly at chargers.  There are electric cars that are never near public chargers, there are fleets of cars in Scotland not first registered in Scotland.  There are many many EV,s or ice vehicles in any price range on Personal Plates.  Many of the Premium Vehicles are in private plate be then leased or owned privately.   Taxi fleets run personal plates in many places. 

Edited 29 September, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Well, public chargers are where you would expect to many EVs are they not? I also accept there will be fleets with their own chargers, and of course private ones with home charging, but the point is that these are NOT exclusive to bonny Scotland. There are taxi firms here running Tesla's, Audi's and MG's as well as a few Skoda BEVs also many last mile delivery companies and there are a lot of cars which charge at home as well, both with and without the green flash. We are also now getting some charging hubs installed at last, the latest of which can charge 6 to 8 at a time, in one of the retail parks. The private plate is also extremely common here as well, my neighbour has 2 cars running on private plates.

 

It also comes as no surprise that the most common BEV car seen here is a Tesla, especially on my son's estate where most people are so affluent that they are 2 or 3 new cars and many of these are Tesla model Y and X's and less than a mile away is the main Tesla centre for the Essex area with its own large hub.

2 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

going back through many of the photos that you have posted where the registration plates can be clearly seen and read without any confusion, about 90% or more of them all start with the letter "S" and that means that they were first registered in Scotland, very few plates not showing S as the first letter,

 

At charging stations in Scotland, who would have thought it huh!

 

Were you not recently saying that your time was valuable?

@Graham Butcher really a few Skoda BEV,s doing last mile deliveries in your area. Citigo or Enyaqs, amazeballs.  I thought you posted about there being few EV,s about.  Good to see that the few are there then.  The first million are someplace if not scrapped then even if there are only half of the next 200,000 out and about there are EV,s on the road a plenty.   ? Which council was it that got electric vans for maintenance workers but hills were an issue for them for range?     You give with one hand and take away with another.  

Edited 29 September, 20241 yr by Ootohere

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

@Graham Butcher really a few Skoda BEV,s doing last mile deliveries in your area. Citigo or Enyaqs, amazeballs.  I thought you posted about there being few EV,s about.  Good to see that the few are there then.  The first million are someplace if not scrapped then even if there are only half of the next 200,000 out and about there are EV,s on the road a plenty.   ? Which council was it that got electric vans for maintenance workers but hills were an issue for them for range?     You give with one hand and take away with another.  

It might be a good idea to go back and check what I said, if you do you'll see that I was talking about taxis with those cars 🤔

Sorry, now I see, so Skoda Enyaq taxis, or is it Citigo iV,s?  

5 hours ago, J.R. said:

 

At charging stations in Scotland, who would have thought it huh!

 

Were you not recently saying that your time was valuable?

The point was not that electric cars were at charging stations in Scotland, but the cars at those stations were registered in Scotland, not from the rest of the UK, please keep up with the theme of the conversation, we were not trying to score points, like you.

2 hours ago, Ootohere said:

Sorry, now I see, so Skoda Enyaq taxis, or is it Citigo iV,s?  

Skoda, Superb, Enyaq and Kodiaq PHEVs. Citigo is no more and would not be large enough to get a taxi licence, here at least.

 

Just got back home after a trip to Heathrow to pick the wife and SIL with dual carriageway and 4 lane motorway for 99% of the trip, it still took almost 5 hours such was the traffic 😧

Edited 29 September, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

@Graham Butcher  ok, so you said Skoda BEV,s and you just mean electrified cars not Battery Electric vehicles.  You are including PHEV,s.  

1 minute ago, Ootohere said:

@Graham Butcher  ok, so you said Skoda BEV,s and you just mean electrified cars not Battery Electric vehicles.  You are including PHEV,s.  

Err, yes, only on the Skoda's the others are BEVs.

15 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Skoda, Superb, Enyaq and Kodiaq PHEVs. Citigo is no more and would not be large enough to get a taxi licence, here at least.

The smallest things I've ever seen with a Hackney licence (taxi or private hire) are a Skoda Rapid (FWD) or a Toyota P(r)ious (and those only as Ubers). I've discounted vehicles run exclusively as "hospital ambulance cars" because they don't require hackney licences.

Smallest I see are Renault Capture. Taxi or private hire, school transport etc. 

I have seen a private hire Toyota yaris, bet that's fun taking a family to the airport

But the subject was and is Electric cars and today @Graham Butcher not seeing many electric cars so hence he gathered there are not many on the roads.  Just the ones they there are that he sees.    But it matters not. There will be 22% at least extra ones registered someplace in the UK and that number will grow even if it means they are punted cheaply until the financial establishments can take the hit no more. 

Edited 29 September, 20241 yr by Ootohere

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

But the subject was and is Electric cars and today @Graham Butcher not seeing many electric cars so hence he gathered there are not many on the roads.  Just the ones they there are that he sees.    But it matters not. There will be 22% at least extra ones registered someplace in the UK and that number will grow even if it means they are punted cheaply until the financial establishments can take the hit no more. 

Maybe some of them here on this midland's old disused airfield? 

 

 

Edited 29 September, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

Do not be shy, which Disused Airfield is it? 

Today is the last day UK electricity grid will burn coal. 

 

https://ember-climate.org/insights/research/the-uks-journey-to-a-coal-power-phase-out/

https://www.sustainabilitybynumbers.com/p/coal-death-uk

 

 

There is vast difference in UK grid between 10 years ago when my Nissan Leaf rolled off production line and today.

 

The carbon emission for EV gets less and less as whole grid becomes greener. Considering a vehicle typically lives over 10 years, best get more of these vehicles that automatically reduces emissions on the road now. 

 

http://grid.iamkate.com

Edited 30 September, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Not shy at all, there are many old airfields dotted around England, some have been dug up and returned to farmland again with just the odd structure left or hard standing, others are glider centres, others have become industrial estates, other are now solar farms, some are mothballed, others are civilian airfields some are car storage centre etc. This list is not exhaustive, there are others.

RAF Alconbury, recently started to store cars.

RAF Bruntingthorpe car storage (mixed)

RAF Chipping Warden

RAF High Ercal

RAF North Weald (New Skodas)

RAF Thurleigh (was used to store scrappage scheme cars) now believed to be new cars.

RAF Upper Heyford

RAF Wyton

Edited 30 September, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

Thanks. I just asked where that picture was from. I think we all know that vehicles are stored, awaiting export, been imported, awaiting distribution etc etc. While the WLTP certification was not done they bunkered cars abroad because they could not bring them in untill the Tests were done and passed.  Then during COVID cars again stood not moving in or out of the countries it around the UK.  It is nice to know where pics are from and which year..

Edited 30 September, 20241 yr by Ootohere

The North Weald Skoda's is 100% up to date and all the cars stored there are preregistered with their plates on them, I go there on a real regular basis to visit the war birds stored and flown from there and also help with them in the hangers etc so I know they are there.

Edited 30 September, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

14 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

The point was not that electric cars were at charging stations in Scotland, but the cars at those stations were registered in Scotland, not from the rest of the UK, please keep up with the theme of the conversation, we were not trying to score points, like you.

 

Not sure what I am supposed to keep up with, there is so much written, so many "strongly recommend you watch this video" etc that there would not be enough hours in the day.

 

I do not understand how you can be surprised or even make anything of the fact that after spending your valuable time trawling back through Ootoheres photographs you find that cars charging at charging stations in Scotland were first registered in Scotland

Just to throw this in the mix as regards to more ev's in Scotland per person than England.

 

If sales are judged by place of registration it does not mean they where sold there.

 

A particular dealership who have big new  sales of most brands throughout the UK have a Head office in Glasgow and many of the vehicles sold Nationally are registered there.

 

They also have some brands pre-registered in Yorkshire and Maidstone.

 

E.g all their pre-registered  Fiats appear to be Yorkshire

 

 Vauxhalls Dacia and Citroens are Scotland

 

Volkswagen Maidstone

 

 

I may me wrong but that's how their website appears to me.

 

 

13 minutes ago, J.R. said:

 

Not sure what I am supposed to keep up with, there is so much written, so many "strongly recommend you watch this video" etc that there would not be enough hours in the day.

 

I do not understand how you can be surprised or even make anything of the fact that after spending your valuable time trawling back through Ootoheres photographs you find that cars charging at charging stations in Scotland were first registered in Scotland

WTF, 2 minutes flicking back up a few posts, really does not take up much time at all if you have a decent internet service.

 

For the sake of clarity, which I'm sure most people understood what I meant when I said it, I was talking about waiting while my hypothetical car recharged, I prefer to be at home with my family. Time spent charging is time that I will never get back with my loved ones, that time to me is precious. Seeing as my diesel car and I dare say yours as well is capable of doing with the right conditions, 800+ miles to a tank, taking just 5 minutes to refuel. An electric car would more than likely possibly have to be recharged at a minimum around 3 times and if it was just a small city type car on a long trip, possibly 8 or more times.

 

Does that make it any clearer to you or are you going to continue making snide comments from the sidelines?