https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5e753d15b0eb84693c7e3e21/t/66fec65c0937481a7363f00a/1727972964119/Electric_Car_Count_-_New_AutoMotive+September+2024.pdf

 

Page 3, looks like at end of Q3, VW, Ford, Renault are very far behind with 5000+ shortfall. 

Funnily with Tesla's sales number it is able to mostly cover those top 3's shortfall. 

 

16 minutes ago, EnterName said:

While those shrewd & affluent people are doubtless still playing the game cleverly, there will be some people who are going to end up, somewhat unfairly IMO, with the short end of the stick.

Indeed. Got to remember those losses are only realised losses when selling. So don't sell the asset during a surplus. Supply and demand 101. 

But with ratcheting mandate like ZEV mandate, I'm not sure there will ever be a shortage of ZEV..........

41 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5e753d15b0eb84693c7e3e21/t/66fec65c0937481a7363f00a/1727972964119/Electric_Car_Count_-_New_AutoMotive+September+2024.pdf

 

Page 3, looks like at end of Q3, VW, Ford, Renault are very far behind with 5000+ shortfall. 

Funnily with Tesla's sales number it is able to mostly cover those top 3's shortfall. 

 

Indeed. Got to remember those losses are only realised losses when selling. So don't sell the asset during a surplus. Supply and demand 101. 

But with ratcheting mandate like ZEV mandate, I'm not sure there will ever be a shortage of ZEV..........

One of the basics you learn when debating politics (bear with me) is that people often lubricate their ideology by warping the meaning of words.

I mention that here as that "New Automotive" PDF is a great example of this.

We all know that registering a car is not the same as selling a car, yet the two terms are used interchangeably in the piece to make EV sales sound rosy.

The reality is that EV sales are anything but rosy at the moment.

Happily, things might pick up somewhat when people realise that there are some great EV bargains to be had just now.

Edited 4 October, 20241 yr by EnterName
Corrected sakes to sales

Total guff as far as much posted about EV,s and people's incomes or wealth.   Business users of EV,s were and are in all kinds of employment and income.  They drive what they get it are given. Then there are self employed using for business or saying they are and it is BIK that might be the important thing. Then grants.    That market and the vehicles bought or leased is something very different from just Social, domestic, pleasure and maybe commuting.     @EnterName have you followed any of this Truth about EV,s thread up to now? 

Cars not being bought and sold every year or 3 for business users is Simply Clever and should be encouraged maybe.  Business should not be helped financially to prop up the UK,s new and used motor trade.   There has been plenty incentives for business use of BEV,s.  And the ridiculous high grants to others that just meant the RRP of new EV,s was ridiculous. 

10 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Total guff as far as much posted about EV,s and people's incomes or wealth.   Business users of EV,s were and are in all kinds of employment and income.  They drive what they get it are given. Then there are self employed using for business or saying they are and it is BIK that might be the important thing. Then grants.    That market and the vehicles bought or leased is something very different from just Social, domestic, pleasure and maybe commuting.     @EnterName have you followed any of this Truth about EV,s thread up to now? 

Yes I have.

Have I committed to memory every one of the posts on the 288 pages of posts added here since 2021?

No I haven't.

If you have a specific disagreement with something I've said today, (which I think can be summarised in the quote below) then please state what you disagree with.

1 hour ago, EnterName said:

My point was that EV depreciation is being driven by EV pre-registration, which is driven by the prospect of punitive fines.

 If not, then I don't know what you're trying to get at.  🤷‍♂️

Something is happening, I just heard on the radio news that sales of new cars has increased from 3% to 17% this year, but only for diesels, no mention of others so will need to do a bit of digging into this to see what is going on. 

2 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Something is happening, I just heard on the radio news that sales of new cars has increased from 3% to 17% this year, but only for diesels, no mention of others so will need to do a bit of digging into this to see what is going on. 

As if by magic...

https://www.sharesmagazine.co.uk/news/market/1728031138708872700/uk-private-demand-for-new-diesel-cars-growing-faster-than-for-evs

We know they are First Registering cars.

Even MINI, BMW, Rolls Royce cars that have a 'Suspended hand over' because of a Recall on Brakes. 

 

Manipulation of 'Sales' that are not sales to the public, then the New Cars that were due for Delivery to Motability Customers that are really quite a high percentage of EV,s.

There are lots of EV,s coming back in after 3 years lease from Motability and they are at BCA,s or will be this month and next as the customers get their new lease car.

We all know that China EV cars have been getting some stick from some quarters recently and today I learned that London has a new all electric bus on trial from a Chinese maker called Yutong and this video shows a factory visit to see how they make and test their buses to make as near to perfect as they can, and I have to say that they do seem to be pretty good overall and I'm impressed by the level of detail and testing that they subject their buses to before letting them leave the factory.

 

 

BYD recall. 

Various articles.  Some say steering,

India Auto's say Fire Hazard affects 100,000.  some 97,000, In China.

Some, 'a small batch of Tank Plug-in,s. 2022. 

 

@Graham Butcher

UK.  DVLA Recall.

Alexander Dennis (Bus builders in Scotland) BYD AD ENVIRO400   1 recall.

Hispacold HVAC system which might result in a fire when vehicle is left unattended.  

 

............

Already this. Nothing to do with the Recall

Labour Government backing UK industry and jobs.   Sir Keirs father was a Tool Maker....

Edited 4 October, 20241 yr by Ootohere

On 03/10/2024 at 10:19, Dieselgate said:

Sure - I think 1 second is probably still a bit optimistic though! You still have to open the flap at the very least.

This is how long it takes, this is a 2 seconds clip made into a GIF for your loop viewing pleasure.
Charge port can be opened with the other hand when not holding the phone. 

 

2 hours ago, Ootohere said:

BYD recall. 

Various articles.  Some say steering,

India Auto's say Fire Hazard affects 100,000.  some 97,000, In China.

Some, 'a small batch of Tank Plug-in,s. 2022. 

 

@Graham Butcher

UK.  DVLA Recall.

Alexander Dennis (Bus builders in Scotland) BYD AD ENVIRO400   1 recall.

Hispacold HVAC system which might result in a fire when vehicle is left unattended.  

 

............

Already this. Nothing to do with the Recall

Labour Government backing UK industry and jobs.   Sir Keirs father was a Tool Maker....

 

According to some pundits, BYD stands for "Burn Yours Down"  

EV sales are up. 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/oct/04/carmakers-ramp-up-pressure-on-chancellor-for-ev-sales-subsidies#:~:text=The British industry sold 56%2C300,during the month were electric.

 

4 hours ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

I just did a few quick fact checks of my own on Google and so far Geoff is coming out on top, who would have thought would be the case eh?

I don't think I need to go any further do I to prove that Geoff does have a pretty good grasp on things, proving that he is not as biased as he is made out to be, he does at least make some effort to verify things he claims, and if he gets it wrong, he does actually admit it.

 

 

 

 

Edited 4 October, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

& if Scotland had a Wealth Fund and the UK had not squandered the revenue from Oil & Gas since the early 1970,s what a different state things might be.

Same now with Renewables and money paid to buy electricity from overseas while paying those that can generate electricity not too.

 

 

 

Edited 4 October, 20241 yr by Ootohere

 

I had a Survey in from Motability yesterday.

I said i would not be getting another Motability car at the end of lease.

The question was Why? 

I said because i will buy an Ex Motability EV for much less than Leasing from them.  

 

39 hours to charge a 78 kWh battery.  Necessary if the battery is empty and you want to charge it to have 100% and over 240 miles of range available.

Edited 4 October, 20241 yr by Ootohere

6 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

I had a Survey in from Motability yesterday.

I said i would not be getting another Motability car at the end of lease.

The question was Why? 

I said because i will buy an Ex Motability EV for much less than Leasing from them.  

Ah but wouldn't buying an ex Motability EV (or indeed any car regardless) mean you have to pay for Insurance (for up to three approved drivers), vehicle excise duty, servicing with a free replacement vehicle, tyres and breakdown cover separately out of your DLA/PIP etc ? (I believe I am correct in saying that a Motability lease includes all of those)

 

 

@Winston_Woof Why 3 Approved drivers?,   it is not a Motability car.   I do not have any Approved drivers on the car now from Motability.

Exempt from VED as a Disabled driver.

I already have insurance for 2 cars i own. 

I have Break Down cover from my Bank Accounts, as does my partner. 

 

You pay at least £11,000 in 3 years for the pleasure of a new car for 3 years lease.

£75.75 a week just now. x 156 = £11.778.  It goes up each year.  Then any advance payment you make. 

So really £12,000 for the next 3 years unless you get the likes of a Dacia Spring.

156 x £60 = £9,360 for 3 years, car and maintenance, insurance and a Free Home Charger or a BP Subscription for 3 years.

 

Maintenance covered but Motability only have them serviced at 2 years and before 3 years and a MOT and Motability use the Warranty on any Warranty Issues.

They do not let the manufacturers take the pith.  And neither did i when Arnold Clark tried telling me the Corsa Electric needed drop links and discs and pads. 

But said when reminded it was a Motability car that Motability would not approve the work.

I told them they would as i had sent them the Technicians Video sent to me in error thinking i was a MUG PUNTER. 

 

I have had 13 Motabiity Lease cars and bought 2 with HP From Motability and owned those for 17 years and 6 years.

I used to buy and sell Ex Motability cars starting in 1979 with Mini,s then in 1982 with Metros. 

 

 

Edited 4 October, 20241 yr by Ootohere

What is the 'Grown by 800,000'  with Motability? 

 

They have 800,000 people as customers, but that is from 1977 to now.    47 years. 

It was there 700,000th Motability customer reported in October 2023. 

 

So a growth of 100,000 in 12 months.   Really? 

 

Edited 4 October, 20241 yr by Ootohere

11 hours ago, EnterName said:

As if by magic...

https://www.sharesmagazine.co.uk/news/market/1728031138708872700/uk-private-demand-for-new-diesel-cars-growing-faster-than-for-evs

 

 

1. Diesel sales are NOT outpacing electric sales:
- YOY growth is +13.2% for BEV versus minus 12% for Diesel
- YTD volumes are 269,931 BEV versus 97,649 Diesel

2. The SMMT's letter signed by the CEOs of ten OEMs does not at any point include any request to "row back on “flawed” legally binding sales targets" - you can read the letter yourself here: https://lnkd.in/e6FQuDYh

3. Contrary to comments made by Ed Miliband on the R4 Today programme this morning, drivers of EVs are more satisfied than ever before with the provision of EV charging, and indeed are the most satisfied of any major European market, as shown by recent research by Roland Berger - also shown below.

Those drivers with an EV are more satisfied than ever. Those who haven't yet made the change are being put off by the media spin that is being applied to the facts.

@domhnall

Who did Roland Berger's  Market Research / Polling of EV drivers?     I think he might just be blowing smoke up someones arses.

On 03/10/2024 at 00:09, Graham Butcher said:

The point that I was making is why did you need to divert off your route, unlike charging hubs, filling stations are plentiful and so it wouldn't be too long before you came across one on the road you were on, thus no time lost fighting through traffic etc. I never leave my tank empty, I always top again when I get down to about 100 miles of range in the tank to ensure that I don't suck up any debris from the bottom of the tank and also to ensure that if I do get called on to drive a reasonable distance in an emergency, that have enough fuel to get me on the way with a good safety net to avoid any dramas. It is good practise to get into the habit, just as that with an EV and home charging, which you do, you get the cable out and plug the car each night so that hopefully by the time you need the car in the morning, it is fully charged again.

 

Very often, I will refuel when I go to Tesco for shopping, so pop into their forecourt as I leave their shop, so no time is wasted doing a special trip to save a few coppers, and with a range of normally around the 650 to 700 miles, this is done once a fortnight, so even more time saved.

YOu clearly haven't been on the A68 before. Costco was the first one I passed and  I really needed to fill up. I didn't pass another one for another 40 miles or so. The only one shown on google was closed. The next open station was in Jedburgh. If you're low on fuel you don't head off into the borders without a fill up.

 

Edited 4 October, 20241 yr by domhnall

5 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

@domhnall

Who did Roland Berger's  Market Research / Polling of EV drivers?     I think he might just be blowing smoke up someones arses.

he??

 

They're a big consultancy outfit