4 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

My point is generally the range can be much more than usual or even WLTP. Zoes have done over 400 miles if one if prepared to dawdle etc compared to a WLTP of 238.

Similarly I can hardly believe that the WLTP mpg of my car is only 47.1mpg. Upper 50s at a constant 70mph is quite normal and my record is 78mpg with a mix of mostly motorway at 65mph and B roads at 30-40mph.

2 hours ago, Ootohere said:

@Winston_Woof  Who is it you think the views expressed would tick off & why would they?

 

 

usual pack drill, no names but if the cap fits ;o)

38 minutes ago, Dieselgate said:

Similarly I can hardly believe that the WLTP mpg of my car is only 47.1mpg. Upper 50s at a constant 70mph is quite normal and my record is 78mpg with a mix of mostly motorway at 65mph and B roads at 30-40mph.

 

i fondly remember by Audi A4 with the noisy but good PD 1.9 which would do over 60 mpg and had a whopping great fuel tank of somewhere between 15 and 16 gallons and therefore show ranges of over 900 miles and nearly got it to show 1000 miles of range.

 

But then I think of the massive pollution it was chucking out of both NOX and even CO2 was not a great compared of the zero of an EV plus the cost of filling it up, ouch. 

 

@Winston_Woof There are plenty vids and blogs / vlogs with controversial stuff.

Those dudes did what they did and filmed it and will have had the experience many do with driving an EV and knowing nothing about them.

Plenty getting in a brand new EV pick up a car and have very similar experiences.

 

There are vids and blogs / vlogs that can help people gen up, or ones like that as forewarned is forearmed.

Edited 18 October, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Something shiny on my wall:

21 hours ago, wyx087 said:

Messaging need to be crystal clear: man-made climate change is the majority cause behind rapid temperature growth and we must do something about it ASAP.

Or what?

54 minutes ago, EnterName said:

Or what?

 

If wr want to see our children and grandchildren not spending much of their income fighting the concesqunces of climate change. They are already expected to be less well off than the current middle generation and climate change can make this much worse in many respects.

 

 

13 hours ago, Winston_Woof said:

I have no doubt the views expressed in this video may tick some people off ;o)
 

 

Hmm, ok, putting aside his confusion with the AC charging port on one side of the car and the Chademo on the other side, £1,000 for a 12 year old that only has 25% of the range left is nuts, I have never heard of the 12 year old ICE where the fuel tank had shrunk to 25% of its original capacity.

*We have to assume he has paid £1,000 and the person selling the car owned it and owns the battery.*

 

I have never heard of one of these Renaults.

Looks a nice car for £1,000 compared to some buckets of sh!te that there are about.

 

It has all the range that many need.  I have only been doing 10 miles a day i my electric car, i might as well be driving something like that

one. 

 

22 kWh Battery.   22 X 4 Miles =88 miles.    22 x 3.0 miles =66 miles.

135 km= 84 miles. 

160 km =99 miles.

 

 

Lots of info with this one. 

Could be as bad as 50 miles when new...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CeYSxXDW7xc

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 18 October, 20241 yr by Ootohere

22 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Hmm, ok, putting aside his confusion with the AC charging port on one side of the car and the Chademo on the other side, £1,000 for a 12 year old that only has 25% of the range left is nuts, I have never heard of the 12 year old ICE where the fuel tank had shrunk to 25% of its original capacity.

 

I tested loads of ICE cars on a rolling road and plenty of them only produce just over half of the quoted horsepower of the engine. Customers were astonished to see their supposed 150 hp car was only producing 80 or 90 hp at the back wheels. 

 

EV lose much less in transmission and can have incredible burst of power. Like an extra 100 hp with an over air update. At Piper we would probably have to put thousands of pounds of parts and work to get an extra 100 hp on an ICE car.

 

Edited 18 October, 20241 yr by lol-lol

34 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Hmm, ok, putting aside his confusion with the AC charging port on one side of the car and the Chademo on the other side, £1,000 for a 12 year old that only has 25% of the range left is nuts, I have never heard of the 12 year old ICE where the fuel tank had shrunk to 25% of its original capacity.

 

Early EV batteries oft only had air cooling, passive on Nissans, active on Renault. Mainly Nissans had high deg due to this big temp fluctuation.

 

EV batteries now have 150% more capacity but occupy the same space and with liquid cooling degredate at less than have the rate and charge at three times the speed.

 

ICE cars, many need Ad Blu chemical injection to not be horrendously dirty at extra cost or complex systems of cylinder deactivation to grovel up to being third to a half efficient.

 

One tech surging ahead, the other pretty much stuck in the metaphorical mud.

 

39 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

I tested loads of ICE cars on a rolling road and plenty of them only produce just over half of the quoted horsepower of the engine. Customers were astonished to see their supposed 150 hp car was only producing 80 or 90 hp at the back wheels. 

 

Yes, I accept that, but here is the real point, those same ICE cars will have the same range or maybe slightly more than the same car had when it was brand new because it is well run in and needs slightly less BHP to get it rolling.

 

Plus I have been saying for a long time now, we could all actually get away with less BHP and smaller engines and thus be a hell of a lot greener and kinder to the planet and thus produce considerably less greenhouse gases and actually help to slow down the rate of climate change. My own car has a top speed of around 137mph, which I could never reach anywhere in the UK other than on a track, also I only do 70mph, which is the maximum legal speed in any case, and I certainly don't use anywhere near the maximum acceleration rate of the car therefore have plenty of power under my right foot which is never being used.

 

So saying that you have tested many ICE cars which had much of their rated BHP lost, is actually being disingenuous and is actually totally ill relevant.

42 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Early EV batteries oft only had air cooling, passive on Nissans, active on Renault. Mainly Nissans had high deg due to this big temp fluctuation.

 

EV batteries now have 150% more capacity but occupy the same space and with liquid cooling degredate at less than have the rate and charge at three times the speed.

 

ICE cars, many need Ad Blu chemical injection to not be horrendously dirty at extra cost or complex systems of cylinder deactivation to grovel up to being third to a half efficient.

 

One tech surging ahead, the other pretty much stuck in the metaphorical mud.

 

Again, this is being disingenuous and is actually totally ill relevant, as only diesels need Ad Blu, and even then, only some, mine doesn't, neither did my previous car and likewise ICE cars of 12 years ago were way less technologically advanced as those of today are, but they still have not lost 75% of the range from a tank of fuel.

If that car has lost 75% range from the 22kWh battery then that will just be about 6 kWh need to charge it. 

Much cheapness for a car to use in a LEZ.  

7 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

If that car has lost 75% range from the 22kWh battery then that will just be about 6 kWh need to charge it. 

Much cheapness for a car to use in a LEZ.  

Agreed, if that is all that you need the car to do.

That is what many people do just need to do and they are doing that having bought or lease a PHEV because maybe occasionally they need to go further. 

 

2 hours ago, Ootohere said:

That is what many people do just need to do and they are doing that having bought or lease a PHEV because maybe occasionally they need to go further. 

 

Also kind of suggests that troubles are just over the horizon, IMO.

The Oil & Filter service was fixed regime on 1.4 TSI PHEV,s was at 9,000 & sometimes 9,300 miles according to VW and Skoda said 9,400 / 12 months.

 

Some cars might have the engine run regularly, and some maybe very occasionally.

Now with 1.5 TSI PHEV there seems to be some confusion if they are to have the Oil Changed on a Fixed Service Regime.

Then if you are running a PHEV and not charging & running just on petrol wht should you be on a Fixed Service Regime? 

 

Buyers of used ones beware.  How much running has been on petrol. or just running on electricity in the life of the car.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/523320-phev-service-intervals

 

Edited 19 October, 20241 yr by Ootohere

11 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

I tested loads of ICE cars on a rolling road and plenty of them only produce just over half of the quoted horsepower of the engine. Customers were astonished to see their supposed 150 hp car was only producing 80 or 90 hp at the back wheels. 

 

EV lose much less in transmission and can have incredible burst of power. Like an extra 100 hp with an over air update. At Piper we would probably have to put thousands of pounds of parts and work to get an extra 100 hp on an ICE car.

 

Losing BHP isn't the same though as the fuel tank capacity shrinking, which is the point that was being made

 

11 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

 

 

ICE cars, many need Ad Blu chemical injection to not be horrendously dirty at extra cost or complex systems of cylinder deactivation to grovel up to being third to a half efficient.

 

 

 

Adblue for diesel only.

My SUperb has 2 cylinder mode and seems just fine to me. Only notice it kicking in because a light pops up on the dash.

Oh And I do acknowledge that I'm pleasantly surprised that not too many bits have fallen off the 456,000 mile Tesla

34 minutes ago, Winston_Woof said:

Oh And I do acknowledge that I'm pleasantly surprised that not too many bits have fallen off the 456,000 mile Tesla

Not the world's best for build quality are they.

13 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

If wr want to see our children and grandchildren not spending much of their income fighting the concesqunces of climate change. They are already expected to be less well off than the current middle generation and climate change can make this much worse in many respects.

 

You really need to look more at data and less at shrieking headlines.

https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/china

People really need to realise that the battery segregation thing is well documented and the issues with ones as recent as less than a decade old.  And that is why cheap as chips.  Now a new generation on the go and evolving.