11 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Lee, you could start here?

https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/499506-the-truth-about-electric-cars/page/427/#findComment-5975387

Just show the relevant parts. Ain't nobody got time to go through all that slop.

45 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

Just show the relevant parts. Ain't nobody got time to go through all that slop.

Then quite simply, don't is the answer to that.
However the original article where I copied the section in quotation marks, came from article about EON who used that technology in Germany and also had or have a trial somewhere in the UK. That said, however, it did not come up just now in my online search, but that means nothing, it might be in the process of being edited or something.

Interestingly this article How does the Data Communications Company work with smart meters? | Gas and Electricity Company | ScottishPower from Scottish Power did come up in the search and if you read, it does indeed say that some meters do send data from the meter via the powerline (the one that runs along the street distributing single phase and three phases as required.

I have a smart meter installed for both gas and electric (no digital display unit) and this meter sits in the intake box, which is steel box built into the house wall, which is a Faraday cage. Radio signals are therefore unable to penetrate the cage so the only way for that data (send every 30 minutes) is over the powerline cable in the street. Which goes off to a collector unit somewhere in the area where all the other meters connected to the output of the local area substation transformer and extracted and sent to a mast-mounted antenna.

Edited 20 February20 Feb by Graham Butcher

@Lee01 Yeah, I know, the relevant parts have even more slop so you never read the Scottish Power article either 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Edited 20 February20 Feb by Graham Butcher

14 hours ago, Stonekeeper said:

Fastest car in the world is electric, fancy that, who would have guessed ?

6 hours ago, lol-lol said:

Fastest car in the world is electric, fancy that, who would have guessed ?

Well, considering it is just shy of 3,000 HP, almost double that of a Bugatti, is it that surprising??

Edited 23 February23 Feb by Graham Butcher

7 hours ago, lol-lol said:

Fastest car in the world is electric, fancy that, who would have guessed ?

The first car to set a Land Speed Record of over 60mph was also electric

La Jamais Contente

10 hours ago, lol-lol said:

Fastest car in the world is electric, fancy that, who would have guessed ?

Cough.. not me:

Unless of course those two 'oles were cooling vents for the batteries

And second and third coughs... for the Jesko, and Speirling:

Gaz

Its interesting when you consider the sheer amount of HP that the Yangwang U9 Xtreme (308mph), has (2959HP ) compared to the 1578HP of the Bugatti Chiron which did 304.773mph.

It really is not all that good at converting that HP into MPH is it. I can't help but wonder just what could the Bugatti do with that same amount of HP under the hood.

While Thrust SSC wins hands down on the sheer top speed, you couldn't actually call it a car in the true sense of the word, it would not be capable of being used as a real car.

Edited 23 February23 Feb by Graham Butcher

Skoda Octavia vrs at 227 mph still one of the most impressive speeds.

600 hp version. Greenline tyres, big turbo, double fuel rack, nail shut the waste gate.

6 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Skoda Octavia vrs at 227 mph still one of the most impressive speeds.

600 hp version. Greenline tyres, big turbo, double fuel rack, nail shut the waste gate.

Edited 23 February23 Feb by Stonekeeper

1 hour ago, Stonekeeper said:

And the the only electric motor in sight was the starter motor.........

4 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

And the the only electric motor in sight was the starter motor.........

Mark 2 based i recall ie 200 hp as standard but a nice slippy shape. A "reliable friend" had one tried to see what she would do. At an indicated 150 it was still accelerating quite significantly and reckoned it would top out at well more than 160 indicated.

Also had a Fabia VRS but that would get to a bit over 130 but it stop accelerating much after that even with 180 hp even though narrower than Octy VRS. Much poorer aero Cd than Octy.

Quite glad my EVs tops out at bit less than 100 mph as no point in pushing it as that the limit in a single ratio EV gearbox which most EVs are.

If you go to Germany are get to drive on Autobahns there are a bunch of two geared EV which will easily hit the 250 kph standard restriction and a few unrestricted ones that will go quite a bit above 250 kph and no speeding ticket !

My last work journey and undertaken in my smaller batteried Renault Scenic ie 60/65 KWh, and it has been the first EV journey experience that I knew there were huge EV charging stations along the way so my charging worries very tiny.

Also the costs were quite small and the charging good.

400 mile journey, one charge of £19 on day one and a second one if £15 on day 2. Shout out to MFG and their excellent sites and the now awesome Cambridge Services.

Edited 25 February25 Feb by lol-lol

@lol-lol How much are you paying at MFG 69 or 79 pence ? My last 600 miles was not a small costs for charging. The first 150 miles was from the home charge. Then i was 65 pence or 70 pence a kWh and twice 55 pence a kWh. 3.1 miles a kWh so 31 miles for £5.50. About the same as a petrol getting 35 MPH. But 31-35 miles for £7 is not a tiny cost for charging. £7.90 @ MFG is just crazy IMO. PS. Not a work journey so every penny spent is from my pocket and nobody is paying my fuel.

Edited 26 February26 Feb by Evolution13

39 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

@lol-lol How much are you paying at MFG 69 or 79 pence ? My last 600 miles was not a small costs for charging. The first 150 miles was from the home charge. Then i was 65 pence or 70 pence a kWh and twice 55 pence a kWh. 3.1 miles a kWh so 31 miles for £5.50. About the same as a petrol getting 35 MPH. But 31-35 miles for £7 is not a tiny cost for charging. £7.90 @ MFG is just crazy IMO. PS. Not a work journey so every penny spent is from my pocket and nobody is paying my fuel.

And to just add further insult to injury, if you was in a petrol, you are already paying a massive amount in fuel duty so inadvertently assisting the government to pay its way. When in the BEV you will soon be charged an extra 3P a mile so that brings your cost for 31 miles to around £6.63 and if in a PHEV to around £7 for fuel. So that makes a BEV suddenly one to avoid unless you can either do all or most of your charging at home – much cheapness there, then – or you don't pay for your charging, as it's a company car.

Edited 26 February26 Feb by Graham Butcher

@Graham Butcher & buying a used PHEV is just too risky IMO as you have no idea if it was run mainly as an electrified car mainly driven on electric and the ICE seldom being fired up. Recently i read on this forum someone saying their mothers Yaris Hybrid kept getting a flat battery. That is not uncommon for people who think a mile or 2 to the shops each day can be done on electric only and no engine firing up to charge up the batteries. Since i can register any car or van as Disabled class and am exempt from VED i am still looking and considering what 2 get as my next vehicle for longer trips. I think it will be a diesel i go for and not a Petrol MHEV. Certainly not a BEV or PHEV.

3 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

Recently i read on this forum someone saying their mothers Yaris Hybrid kept getting a flat battery. That is not uncommon for people who think a mile or 2 to the shops each day can be done on electric only and no engine firing up to charge up the batteries.

Is that Yaris Hybrid a PHEV or just an HEV?

If a PHEV was it being plugged in?

And when a PHEV is plugged in, will that also charge the 12V battery (generic question I now, but is there a generic answer?)?

My soon-to-be brother-in-law has a Yaris Cross hybrid (not a PHEV) which needs to have the 12V battery charged regularly as the 12V is only charged when the petrol engine runs, and ontheir mostly short urban drives around Plymouth the engine doesn't run much. In their usage pattern it seems to me that a PHEV would be preferable to an HEV?

Yaris Hybrids are Hybrids as they have always been. No plugs. Toyota have the longest and most experience of Hybrids. But then there is no magic involved unless you stay up a hill and can run down without the engine and putting electricity into the batteries.

2 hours ago, Evolution13 said:

@lol-lol How much are you paying at MFG 69 or 79 pence ? My last 600 miles was not a small costs for charging. The first 150 miles was from the home charge. Then i was 65 pence or 70 pence a kWh and twice 55 pence a kWh. 3.1 miles a kWh so 31 miles for £5.50. About the same as a petrol getting 35 MPH. But 31-35 miles for £7 is not a tiny cost for charging. £7.90 @ MFG is just crazy IMO. PS. Not a work journey so every penny spent is from my pocket and nobody is paying my fuel.

Yes is was 79p per kwh at both MFG Haverhill and Ionity at Cambridge services and I only charged put in about 18 and then 22 KWh respectively hence the £15 and £19 approximately so really only about a third of the battery added so it could be done quite quickly ie 20 minutes or so each time, enough to go to the loo and check emails etc.

What ICE drivers don't appreciate , I expect, is that EV drivers can be hyper accurate on what they need to put in the car. Whilst ICE drivers generally put in a tankful, or maybe half a tank if at motorway service's high prices, EV drivers can, to be economical, just put in enough to get them home plus maybe a 20 mile buffer. Hence put in the bare minimum and do as much charging at home using the lecky that is about a tenth of the price.

Increasingly I am stopping when I need a comfort break rather than the car absolutely need charging, especially now it is warmer and the Scenic is up to around 4 miles per KWh where it was closer to 3 KWh a week ago and for the 4 months before that. 8 months of warmer weather I expect and lower running cost of all of our EVs due to this.

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

And to just further insult to injury, if you was in a petrol, you are already paying a massive amount in fuel duty so inadvertently assisting the government to pay its way. When in the BEV you will soon be charged an extra 3P a mile so that brings your cost for 31 miles to around £6.63 and if in a PHEV to around £7 for fuel. So that makes a BEV suddenly one to avoid unless you can either do all or most of your charging at home – much cheapness there, then – or you don't pay for your charging, as it's a company car.

Soon ? Over 2 years time.

My plan is to fit some really big tyres to slow the odometer building up the miles......

^^^ Not necessary to physically change for different circumference tyres, an BEV can just have the Software change as done with e-bikes to change the circumference. Change the assistance and speed that can be achieved while pedalling. I know someone that has spent years Clocking cars including Taxi / Private hire cars and fleet cars. He also increases the power available with BEV,s, increases the Speed Limiters etc, even makes them invisible to Over the Air updates or TRACKING.

Edited 26 February26 Feb by Evolution13

@lol-lol 20 to 30 mile buffers really not enough in Scotland or many other places. Last run home from Stirling it was just as well i had charged more than usually required. East of Perth there started to be ROAD CLOSED to Glamis notices. 15 miles later there was still no more info, then the Diversion Sign appeared. I ignored that and took a country road which is near parallel but does head up higher. It had some flooding on it, but it turned out to be shorter plus i used less electric and regened more over the last 5 miles down towards home. As to when up the Ski roads and into the Cairgorms a road closure can maybe be to get back south and need getting to chargers and these can be very hit or miss if working or not.

6 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

^^^ Not necessary to physically for different circumference tyres, an BEV can just have the Software change as done with e-bikes to change the circumference. Change the assistance and speed that can be achieved while pedalling. I know someone that has spent years Clocking cars including Taxi / Private hire cars and fleet cars. He also increases the power available with BEV,s, increases the Speed Limiters etc, even makes them invisible to Over the Air updates or TRACKING.

Renault chose a odd size for the R5 ie 195/55R18, a few main tyre companies do this size but not, it seems, many of the Korean tyre companies.

The 60 aspect ratio much more brand options and it is a winter / all season option andcit would mostly correct the 3 % speedo over ready.

Just like Italian bikes use to be with their Vaguelio speedos and 10 % overread ! I did hear TESLA were overreading distance by as much as 10%. Don't know but perhaps so the warranty ran out quicker, allegedly.

@lol-lol The change of circumference of tyres is something done commonly where there are mileage limits on lease cars. Clocking by another means. Something that the DfT / DVSA must well be aware of, but that does not mean that it can be stopped or detected by them and with their resources.