44 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

@Graham Butcher I have a BEV & 2 ICE vehicles. I am no green warrior. I am just raging against the machine. Or being a rebel without a cause. We are where we are and the motor manufacturers are where they are. No matter how much there is mumping and moaning from those that have not and what not a BEV they will still be getting built and purchased. I doubt i will be driving in 5 years so really could not give a monkeys what the UK government does. I am only here for the banter and to read some of the crap posted. PS. Please show any post ever from me where i say or imply that BEV,s are the only way to clean things up. You are making up your own story there.

Please read my post again; I said that you're NOT a green warrior, but you still misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm like you; I doubt I'll be around by the time ICE is banned, but then again, I could be. My mum never passed until reaching 92, so I could be. As to whether I'd still be driving, who knows that answer? I don't, and neither do you.

But, like that professor told me, as an engineer, I have an inquisitive mind, and I'll never give up trying to preserve our rights to have a choice. As I have said before, when those at the top of the tree start proving their green credentials and actively do what they want us all to do, then maybe they might get somewhere. Like the lockdown when BJ was having parties and others were having police raids, they just keep on demonstrating how it's one rule for us and another for them and their wealthy backers.

I can’t believe this thread is still going!

16 minutes ago, Monkhai said:

I can’t believe this thread is still going!

When stuck in a never ending spiral, it can never reach an end…

15 hours ago, Monkhai said:

I can’t believe this thread is still going!

was just about to say the same

Same here, no deals or bungs on my car and my wife bought hers without any offers. She haggled on price but you do that with any car. In our street we have 2 Skoda Enyaqs, 1 cupra Born, one ID3, a Kia EV9, Kia E niro, a ford mustang, a nissan leaf, peugeot e208 a Ford Capri, and en e corsa. That's a street of 17 houses. Of that lot the EV9 is the only one that is a company car

On 27/07/2026 at 14:34, lol-lol said:

I did.

When i ordered my Renault 5 there was no financial bungs.

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29 minutes ago, domhnall said:

was just about to say the same

Like climate denial there are those that cannot see the clear mass of evidence in front of the them for what ever reason.

BEVs are already great and improving rapidly. ICE cars are pretty much stuck in the doldrums.

As my fellow converts we gave driven ICE for decades, in my cases done about 1M miles and owned about 50 of them.

Sadly many Luddites still around or maybe it is an initial purchase, credit obtaining thing but clear to me that BEVs are the future, whether that is LFP, Na or whatever battery chemistry.

I too am tired of this thread and will try and not contribute any more as it seems flogged to death. Am looking forward to even cheaper running from October 1st though when VAT on charging at home goes to zero. Just bought £33 public charge charge from Gridserve so about £5 VAT, not nice compared to home.

On 27/07/2026 at 15:19, lol-lol said:

Just saying that private buying is a significant chunk ie about 1 in 5. From what i read on the Renault Groups plenty others are buing Renaults privately. EV grants for all EV purchases I presume but the EV sacrifice schemes are very generous. For 40 and 45% tax payers getting £400 a month cut off the payments bring a whole host of what would have been unaffordable into affordability.

There will be VAT payment on the leasing jf which not all is recoverable so as with EV private purchases there is VAT to pay which far exceeds the EV grant.

Government does not loss out in all ways and, as it was eith thd last Con government, they do grants and tax breaks to achieve the net zero objectives and most company cars is another strand in hitting the intermediate stepping stone reduction in CO2 targets. Such schemes and Israel and Trump's war, and Russia- Ukraine all speeding up EV adoption for UK companies and UK private buyers.

New seak by TESLA a boozy. Think it is £499 a month and you get a TESLA car and a TESLA Powerwall home battery system. One of my diesel head relatives had picked up on this.

my wife looked at salary sacrifice and worked out that because it included tyres and maintenance costs it was actually cheaper to buy cash and haggle. My employer refuses to provide salary sacrifice.

4 minutes ago, domhnall said:

my wife looked at salary sacrifice and worked out that because it included tyres and maintenance costs it was actually cheaper to buy cash and haggle. My employer refuses to provide salary sacrifice.

Indeed. Salary sacrifice does not always look great as those quoted deals don't seem to be anywhere near what the tax relief should provide.

We, at Bollore and CMA/CEVA were told we were going to get SS EV deals but time passed and they never materialised.

The EV grants have been nice from both the Con government and current government but both are icing on the cake and I was always buying cake rather than bread (ICE). ICE cars loads of bread to run abd don't taste as nice to take the analogy a bit too far.

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