As people do now.

 

The real story is about Fleets, Busses, HGV,s Light Commercials, Taxis etc etc.  Business and Commercial who should be getting Solar and Turbines and Battery Storage in place.

The system is tried and tested globally already so where is the UK Innovation.

 

It is just the Westminster Government dragging behind after Theresa May MP when PM was going on about the UK leading the world in EV technology a puckle of years back.

Putting Millions into the young businesses. 

On 19/12/2023 at 22:00, Graham Butcher said:

Totally impossible to rest me left foot anywhere without fouling the clutch pedal, so had to hover my foot above the clutch. So how on earth they could use one as a private hire car baffles me.

 

Nothing baffling about it, fare paying passengers do not drive the vehicle so are not inconvenienced by having pedals intruding into their legroom.

 

If a private hire driver has size 15 feet like you claim to have then they would likely choose a different vehicle, its clearly not a problem for all the other Yaris owner drivers.

2 hours ago, lol-lol said:

The above video is by a click batting loon.

 

Actual facts are:-

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/coromandel-luxury-bach-fire-ev-not-to-blame-for-cooks-beach-home-blaze/4LKGZP7MAVCLXFSOGXKV5KWVEU/

 

......Social media posts and a media outlet then reported a witness as saying the fire had been started by an EV (electric vehicle) in the home’s garage.  But Fire and Emergency New Zealand (Fenz) investigator Ed Hopping said that was not the case.  “The investigation is still ongoing... but I’m comfortable to put it out there in the world that the fire wasn’t a result of the battery in the car failing,” Hopping said.  

 

He said the fire started within the home, while the car was parked outside the garage and was not plugged in for charging at the time.  It’s just important to put out there that hybrid cars... aren’t that vulnerable to fires,” Hopping said.  “And then in this instance, the car wasn’t plugged in and wasn’t inside the garage or the structure.”

 

Another Youtube maligned fantasy piece of crap... 

I'm just wondering at this point if you actually watched the second video at all? If you did, had you already decided that the YouTuber was just a "click batting loon" and therefore a just another Youtube maligned fantasy piece of crap?

 

I admit that I was at first puzzled but when he played the video clip that he received, I began to have my suspicions about a possible greenwashing attempt as I didn't think it was possible to fake that 2nd video clip. So with that in mind I did my due diligence and after reading the news article, looked it up on both Google Earth and Google Maps. The fire was at No.7 Endeavour Place and the house had recently been built, as the aerial view and street level view clearly demonstrates. 

 

The 2 screen grabs here show one taken from Google Maps and clearly shows, same power pole to the left of the driveway, the same house and the garage and hedges even down to the same tree/shrub growing adjacent to the house, which to my mind, which is always an inquisitive one, so the logical conclusion has to be that this is a cover up, not only by the local media but also the fire dept and is clearly not as Mr Ed Hopping is claiming it to be, or at least how he is quoted in the press.

 

Has your opinion on this now changed as a result of just a little bit of digging?  I learnt a long time ago to never take everything at face value that it is as reported, there is usually a deviation and that can and so often does expose a can of worms, good or bad.

 

Sometimes, things are just how they are presented on YouTube, these presenters can sometimes cut through all the smoke and mirrors and expose the real truth.

 

 

Edited 20 December, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

42 minutes ago, J.R. said:

 

Nothing baffling about it, fare paying passengers do not drive the vehicle so are not inconvenienced by having pedals intruding into their legroom.

 

If a private hire driver has size 15 feet like you claim to have then they would likely choose a different vehicle, its clearly not a problem for all the other Yaris owner drivers.

Maybe it I didn't make my point clear enough, ignore the part about my feet etc, that is not relevant to private hire/taxi cars, the sheer size was the actual point I was drawing attention too (badly it seems). I don't know about France, but here in the UK, there used to be a minimum size standard for cars used for carrying fare paying passengers and have not seen anything smaller than a Škoda Octavia being used for that role, the Yaris is comparable to a Skoda Citigo, considerably smaller than a Octavia.

6 hours ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

 

Could be good for those who want a full battery every morning.

 

It must be better for the battery to be charged from low capacity than from half full.

 

Plug it in when you come home the grid takes back the 50% not used at peak time, paying you more than you paid for it, then fully charges it for morning?

 

If the discharge and recharge does a fivers worth of damage but one gets a tenner or twenty or fifty quid supplying say £50 of resold lecky then might be worth it.

 

If not doubling, trebling, quadrupling or more the return then would not be interested.

 

Lithium batteries might not be worth such extra use than working as the car traction battery.

Maybe Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries might be more suited as acting as a V2G.

 

Think I likely stick to my purpose made batteries for home storage and only looked at sending lechy back to the grid if it is super worth it ie at the rates those peak like a pound a KWh but I expect TESLA will scoop all that up and make a killing.  They can install container sized battery pack in less than 100 days they have proved. 

 

Edited 21 December, 20232 yr by lol-lol

7 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

here in the UK, there used to be a minimum size standard for cars used for carrying fare paying passengers and have not seen anything smaller than a Škoda Octavia being used for that role

I'm not sure where these fit, but Peugeot 208s and Skoda Scalas have been used as private hire cars (not Ubers, real private hire) in Greater Glasgow.

The thing about the after Beach House fire is that the garage appears in the after video to be still standing.

 

 

 

Edited 21 December, 20232 yr by Rooted

18 minutes ago, Rooted said:

The thing about the Beach House fire is that the garage appears in the after video to be still standing.

 

 

 

Well what you think is the garage, is the small building towards the right of the photo with what looks like pool or pond just to the left of it? That is part of the building that was there was there before the newer house was built and is at 90 degrees to destroyed house. The actual garage in the video was at the top left hand corner of the house was in the same direction as the house, left to right. 

Edited 21 December, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

OK.  So the garage has totally gone.  Removed? 

Foreshorting from the road to the car and garage then in the fire video & pictures. 

 

EDIT.

I see now in the bottom screen grab bottom left, sorry my bad, 

 

Edited 21 December, 20232 yr by Rooted

Yeah, actually looking at the old aerial view of that plot, I'm not convinced that the structure that appears to still standing is part of number 7.

 

I think it might be part of number 6, and is referred to in the reports as the other house that was damaged, like a granny flat or something?

 

Edited 21 December, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

^^^ Is that from before the house burnt down had even been built?

 

I have no idea and maybe even the home owner do not if not at home and it was others there partying or just chilling out.

They might know about the car the garage and the battery though and where the fire started. 

Edited 21 December, 20232 yr by Rooted

Good to finally see a photo from Oz or NZ the correct way up! 😄

 

I cannot for the life of me orientate myself on the Google earth image, which house is the one that torched?

Plonked in the middle between the White L shaped house to the left and the big green / blue house to the right is it not.  

So not actually there,

just trees , about 4 sheds / garages / shacks on Google Earth.

Edited 21 December, 20232 yr by Rooted

Are electric cars relatively expensive or cheap ??

 

How about an ID7 for less than £30k rather than £60K ?

 

Chinese buyers are not buying the ID7 even at just below £30k as they have high tech Chinese versions of a similar size at less than £25K.

 

So are European made and sold EVs just not being made in an economic way or prices kept high ?

 

France and Germany just discontinued EV subsidies for Chinese made EVs, presumably some TESLAs as well as Dacia Spring maybe and the BYDs, Geely cars ie Polestar and Volvos and SIAC cars such as MG4s and Maxus.   Tesla just slashes prices again to keep the costs low and win that best selling car of the year status for the Model Y.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 20/12/2023 at 21:23, Rooted said:

The UK Government are giving several million squid of tax payers money out to the chosen few businesses to further research vehicle to grid.

And Vehicle-2-Home, I got my trial V2H bi-directional charger installed for just £1600, the AC-DC inverter itself costs way more than that.

Thanks everyone 😛

 

It definitely works. First whole bill with it installed. Only 4% on not-cheap tariff, everything else on cheap tariff.

 

Effective cost for me is just 8.14p/kWh +VAT for all electricity I've used.

 

Again, thanks everyone for your tax contribution. 😛

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

And Vehicle-2-Home, I got my trial V2H bi-directional charger installed for just £1600, the AC-DC inverter itself costs way more than that.

Thanks everyone 😛

 

It definitely works. First whole bill with it installed. Only 4% on not-cheap tariff, everything else on cheap tariff.

Effective cost for me is just 8.14p/kWh +VAT for all electricity I've used.

 

Again, thanks everyone for your tax contribution. 😛

 

How do you mean tax contribution  ?

 

What is the VAT rate on the bi-directional charger ?  

 

Octopus continue to do great facilities for its users.  I have just got £50 credit for getting one family member off British Gas and on to Octopus, BG were holding back nearly a grand in credit and would not let them have a lower DD.  Visiting another family member who has a Heat Pump house so going to get him over to the Cozy Heat pump tariff which should save him a heap of money and give me another chunk of introduction bung ie £50 for them and £50 for me too, nice.

 

Converting my octoverse points in to credit on to my account after each savings session so along with the above intro credits I am hoping to avoid any rise in my DD this winter.

 

 

 

@wyx087 What type of tariff / meter have you got, is it a white meter, off-peak or what?

@lol-lol Seeing as you didn't reply to my question, about YouTubers are not all "click batting loons" and therefore only producing YouTube maligned fantasy crap, I take it that you now agree that some of them do present factual information, even if they are not 100% pro-electric after all then?

4 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

@lol-lol Seeing as you didn't reply to my question, about YouTubers are not all "click batting loons" and therefore only producing YouTube maligned fantasy crap, I take it that you now agree that some of them do present factual information, even if they are not 100% pro-electric after all then?

 

Not at all.  I think these bullsh!tters are quite easy to spot as they seem to have similar modus operandi.  They make assertions without quoting facts or credible sources and just seem to largely give their opinions.

 

EVs are much less a self combusting fire risk than diesel or petrol cars.  Hybrids that are diesel or petrol have the similar risks to pure diesels or petrols.

 

I am not pro electric just for the sake of it.  My EV costs a small fraction of my mild hybrid to run.  It is very pleasant to drive.

My hybrid, with its 600 mile range is good for longer journeys, even more comfortable than my little EV.

 

I do not need a muppet to tell me their "facts".  I have not heard one of them inform their credentials to comment on such subjects ie technical experts, owners of such vehicles etc.

My time is precious and I can establish within a few seconds watch their videos that they are vacuous entities and not worthy of my attention.  Plenty of other good sources and whilst not perfect I listen to the Electric Viking who details are verifiable and concise and informative.  Each to their own but I will not be watching what I perceive as trash. 

 

15 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Not at all.  I think these bullsh!tters are quite easy to spot as they seem to have similar modus operandi.  They make assertions without quoting facts or credible sources and just seem to largely give their opinions.

 

EVs are much less a self combusting fire risk than diesel or petrol cars.  Hybrids that are diesel or petrol have the similar risks to pure diesels or petrols.

 

I am not pro electric just for the sake of it.  My EV costs a small fraction of my mild hybrid to run.  It is very pleasant to drive.

My hybrid, with its 600 mile range is good for longer journeys, even more comfortable than my little EV.

 

I do not need a muppet to tell me their "facts".  I have not heard one of them inform their credentials to comment on such subjects ie technical experts, owners of such vehicles etc.

My time is precious and I can establish within a few seconds watch their videos that they are vacuous entities and not worthy of my attention.  Plenty of other good sources and whilst not perfect I listen to the Electric Viking who details are verifiable and concise and informative.  Each to their own but I will not be watching what I perceive as trash. 

 

So the answer is that your opinion has not changed despite the apparent cover-up in this particular sad event and the YouTuber is question actually asked the Fire Dept for some evidence as to why their version of the fire and its cause was completely at odds of that of eyewitnesses and also a new video that clearly shows that it did start with car/garage and not at the rear of the house as the Fire Dept claimed, and they still tried to fob him off with a cover-up. 

 

This particular YouTuber is not one of the bullsh!tters at all, he just has a more realistic approach than some do.

 

I expect that there will be further developments on this story, not the veil has slipped.

Edited 21 December, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

11 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

So the answer is that your opinion has not changed despite the apparent cover-up in this particular sad event and the YouTuber is question actually asked the Fire Dept for some evidence as to why their version of the fire and its cause was completely at odds of that of eyewitnesses and also a new video that clearly shows that it did start with car/garage and not at the rear of the house as the Fire Dept claimed, and they still tried to fob him off with a cover-up. 

This particular YouTuber is not one of the bullsh!tters at all, he just has a more realistic approach than some do.

I expect that there will be further developments on this story, not the veil has slipped.

 

Like the car park fires the main thing I draw from the NZ fire as well as the car parks is the lack of fire detection and or fire fighting equipment.

These beach properties often contain lots of timber in their construction and yet if they had had good sprinkler system, which would have added 1 or 2% to the overall cost and limited the fire to one room or so.

 

I have spent many days on firefighting courses as part of my at sea training, no point ringing 999 when the nearest fire service is more than a thousand miles away.

The courses I have done, a lot wearing a BA set whilst fire fighting, gave me a huge respect of fire but apparently to some it is is not something that is considered important. 

 

It clearly shows that the garage appears to be ablaze and a vehicle is at the front or outside and no view of how long that garage is or how far it goes back and if attached or detached and if the utilities are at the rear or it is drive through and out to a BBQ area or whatever.

 

Another one that will come out in the wash.

 

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Truth of my EV, getting fully charged now @ about £6.00, and over the next week half the electricity needed to charge it will cost £0.00  & half is going to be@55 pence, 69 pence or even 75 pence a kWh.

About 250 miles worth to pay for getting maybe 3.5 miles a kWh.

Edited 21 December, 20232 yr by Rooted

2 hours ago, lol-lol said:

How do you mean tax contribution  ?

 

What is the VAT rate on the bi-directional charger ?  

The install is part of a trial funded by Innovate UK. Tax payer’s money to push V2X. 
https://iuk.ktn-uk.org/opportunities/v2x-innovation-programme-bi-directional-charging-demonstrations/

 

Invoice states “standard install for V2H trial” or something similar. Standard 20% VAT after checking. 
 

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

@wyx087 What type of tariff / meter have you got, is it a white meter, off-peak or what?

Standard smart meter, report consumption half hourly. On Intelligent Octopus Go tariff. 
 

Bi-directional charger basically means I can use Leaf EV as home battery. Nothing else is special.
 

Batteries (and AI) are the new frontier. 
 

 

Edited 21 December, 20232 yr by wyx087

PS

Re the Beach House / garage fire.

 

Maybe here was a watercraft towed by a PHEV and put away in the garage or behind the garage, maybe even a electric / battery powered vehicle, or just one being fuelled with gasoline.  Sitting getting readied for getting towed out.

 

Maybe,s, if,s, but,s and guesses, and those there involved will know maybe more than an Eye witness seeing from outwith the property or viewing a video.

 

 

Edited 21 December, 20232 yr by Rooted

@RootedTotally true, none of these things can be determined from the eyewitness reports or the second video, but what we can already discount is the Fire Dept version of events where they state that the fire started at the rear of the house and that the car or garage were not part of it.