34 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Standard smart meter, report consumption half hourly. On Intelligent Octopus Go tariff. 
Bi-directional charger basically means I can use Leaf EV as home battery. Nothing else is special.
Batteries (and AI) are the new frontier. 

Then how are you being charged 2 different rates, 29.55pKWh and 7.14PKWh? What am I missing here?

@Graham Butcherwhat is it based on that you can say the fire starting at the rear of the house can be discounted? 

 

Is there something showing no fire at the rear while there is only the fire ablaze at the garage?

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 21 December, 20232 yr by Rooted

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

Like the car park fires the main thing I draw from the NZ fire as well as the car parks is the lack of fire detection and or fire fighting equipment.

These beach properties often contain lots of timber in their construction and yet if they had had good sprinkler system, which would have added 1 or 2% to the overall cost and limited the fire to one room or so.

 

I have spent many days on firefighting courses as part of my at sea training, no point ringing 999 when the nearest fire service is more than a thousand miles away.

The courses I have done, a lot wearing a BA set whilst fire fighting, gave me a huge respect of fire but apparently to some it is is not something that is considered important. 

 

Agree with the lack of fire detection, and the lack of fire fighting equipment, but that said how many domestic properties have sprinkler systems? I'm not aware of any, are you?

 

Yes NZ, Oz and the USA for instance also have a very high percentage of timber homes and YT is a wash with such fires in houses and that because of the nature of construction, the lack of a sprinkler system and also the remoteness of the dwellings in relation to the fire stations, that by the time firefighters arrive on the fire ground, it then becomes more of a matter of damage control and attempting to stop, often unsuccessfully, stopping of houses also becoming a total loss.

 

Breathing apparatus sets are a requirement is an awful lot of fires these days and will become increasingly a must-have with broader adoption of electric cars unless they can quickly develop batteries that do not produce the toxic fumes when burning. 

Edited 21 December, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

2 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

What type of tariff / meter have you got, is it a white meter, off-peak or what?

 

26 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

how are you being charged 2 different rates, 29.55pKWh and 7.14PKWh? What am I missing here?

 

That  "White Meter" is not a tarif in the UK.

 

Intelligent Octopus Go gives you six hours of cheap, green energy from 11.30 pm to 5.30 am every night at a super low rate of 7.5p per kWh

Edited 21 December, 20232 yr by J.R.

1 hour ago, Rooted said:

@Graham Butcherwhat is it based on that you can say the fire starting at the rear of the house can be discounted? 

 

Is there something showing no fire at the rear while there is only the fire ablaze at the garage?

 

 

 

 

 

You watched that second video that clearly showed the garage and car on fire, shot looking straight down the driveway. The house was also right next to the garage, but the house was not on fire, nor was there any smoke emanating from any other part of the house, only the garage? 

If the fire started anywhere else, how did the fire reach the car and garage and yet manage to leave the house untouched at the time the video was taken?

Edited 21 December, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

43 minutes ago, J.R. said:

 

That  "White Meter" is not a tarif in the UK.

 

Intelligent Octopus Go gives you six hours of cheap, green energy from 11.30 pm to 5.30 am every night at a super low rate of 7.5p per kWh

Well, that was the kind of answer I was expecting to get from @wyx087. From my previous knowledge of a system that provides 2 tariffs (years ago when I used to heat my house with storage heaters) there were such meters as Off Peak (this was a black meter with 2 sets of readings, 1 was the normal day rate and the other was for storage heaters. 

 

Since I stopped having storage heaters many years ago, and my current house has gas central heating, I only have a standard single tariff meter.

 

However, apparently, there are now 3 kinds of meters on offer in the UK that offer 2 rates per KWh, there is Economy 7 which switches over to the cheaper price per KWh at nighttime for 7 hours, then there is White Meter which gives cheaper rates at night but for 8 hours (also often called economy 8, and then there is also a economy 10 which, you guessed it, gives you cheaper power for 10 hours, but with a twist, thats 7 hours at night with another 3 hours during the day to provide a boost to storage heaters for instance so they don't run out of heat in the evening and this is only being offered by some suppliers, allegedly.

Smart meters. 
 

Key isn’t what kind of dual rate meters, key is smart meters that reports half hourly consumption. 
 

Check out this thread: 

 

I have a smart meter and am on the Agile Octopus tariff where the charge per kWh varies every half hour through the day and night to encourage people on this tariff to try to use electricity when demand is lower.

 

Agile Octopus

@Graham Butcher  I think the gadgy in the video and you might have some confusion over the property on fire.

 

The Beach Front property.

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Is the part of the house facing the sea and the beach THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY?

 

To me that is the Front of the property.  If i have a BEACH FRONT PROPERTY i want the view from the frontage to be of the beach & water.

 

I put the garage and entrance at the rear or side, at the access from the road, where the refuse people come, the trades people / pool cleaners etc.

Maybe there is a nice Reception / Door even a FRONT DOOR, but really you are entering from the REAR.

 

Or is that just too much confusion or lost in translation?   

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Was the car destroyed? 

1 hour ago, Rooted said:

@Graham Butcher  I think the gadgy in the video and you might have some confusion over the property on fire.

 

The Beach Front property.

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Is the part of the house facing the sea and the beach THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY?

 

To me that is the Front of the property.  If i have a BEACH FRONT PROPERTY i want the view from the frontage to be of the beach & water.

 

I put the garage and entrance at the rear or side, at the access from the road, where the refuse people come, the trades people / pool cleaners etc.

Maybe there is a nice Reception / Door even a FRONT DOOR, but really you are entering from the REAR.

 

Or is that just too much confusion or lost in translation?   

?

Was the car destroyed? 

I, too, had very similar thoughts, but then quickly dismissed them, the reason is that for me and most people, the front of the house is the part that faces the road way and main access point to the property. How you use the rooms within the house is entirely upto the owner/occupier to decide. Then I considered given that prior to that house, they appeared to be a small, bungalow or similar towards the far side of the plot, so figured that they house was more than likely built to the owners design, so that the main living area/lounge might well be looking out to the sea, but would not want any Tom **** or Harry traversing all the round the house to make contact, after all, the most private part of the house and also the plot itself, is going to be part furthest from the road and that is where you would to keep strangers out of, no?

 

Anyway, playing devils advocate, lets say the garage is the rear of the house, its still kind of strange that FENZ investigator claims that the fire started within the house. 

 

Maybe its worth playing that second video again, listen carefully to the spoken word and the timed events. I've posted some screen grabs in the sequence that they appear and written some observations on some of them, let me have your thoughts?

6 out of the 8 people in the photograph are wearing swimming costumes so its probably a reasonable assumption that the photo (or is it a video still?) was taken from the beach side of the property.

Somebody seems a little bit obsessed with EV's, fires and watching randos on YouTube.

They might well have, coming around the side of the house.

 

So this is the garage, and to the right the side or some might say rear of the house, and looking out to someones garage next door what some might think is the front of this multi million home.  

 

Note the right side of the garage and where there is a instep in the building, 

The Rear maybe, maybe the kitchen, BBQ grill area at rear / side of property. 

 

 

Edited 22 December, 20232 yr by Rooted

1 hour ago, J.R. said:

6 out of the 8 people in the photograph are wearing swimming costumes so its probably a reasonable assumption that the photo (or is it a video still?) was taken from the beach side of the property.

No, they are standing in the road which is a dead end, and it is a 4 second clip. The beach is actually a fair distance away & there is brush and scrubland in between beach and house, all there on Google Earth. 

1 hour ago, @Lee said:

Somebody seems a little bit obsessed with EV's, fires and watching randos on YouTube.

On the contrary, I just feel like there is something not right about this story. Also I like most things to do with motors as I wanted to be an auto electrical engineer, hence why I did my apprenticeship with the National Bus Company. Electric cars are just part of that. Some have formed an opinion that I'm anti electric cars, which is just incorrect. I just feel we have much to learn and get right before making them the mainstay of motoring. Most YouTubers are not idiots, yes there are some raving nutters but if people could just park their prejudices to one side and listen to what they are actually saying, then there would be better understanding and less conflicts. 

There is something not right if there is some Media conspiracy. 

 

 Something not right in the head with the Youtuber as well.  The dude needs to maybe get with the flow and let those that actually own the property and the vehicle and the emergency services and the insurer get on with things. 

7 minutes ago, Rooted said:

There is something not right if there is some Media conspiracy. 

 

 Something not right in the head with the Youtuber as well.  The dude needs to maybe get with the flow and let those that actually own the property and the vehicle and the emergency services and the insurer get on with things. 

He is not stopping that happening, he, like me feels we still have too much to learn before making it compulsory that all new cars must be electric. Leave it to people to decide which they prefer while we all learn whatever lessons there are to be learned, before going all in. That is it, plain and simple. 

Edited 22 December, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

@Graham ButcherI am probably used to different house designs from you as my Uncle and his sons and their sons are house builders & they build at the sea side.

 

My uncles house was not at the seaside it looked down over the land he owned and over the golf course and to the river.

2nd left, and he built the others, back of the house from the road, garages, and lovely entrances, and the front of the houses have the view and privacy.

His Grandsons is the one to the right, build decades later & in front of the others, privacy in the gardens at the FRONT and the views. 

 

Edited 22 December, 20232 yr by Rooted

5 minutes ago, Rooted said:

@Graham ButcherI am probably used to different house designs from you as my Uncle and his sons and their sons are house builders & they build at the sea side.

 

My uncles house was not at the seaside it looked down over the land he owned and over the golf course and to the river.

2nd left, and he built the others, back of the house from the road, garages, and lovely entrances, and the front of the houses have the view and privacy.

His Grandsons is the one to the right, build decades later & in front of the others, privacy in the gardens at the FRONT and the views. 

 

To my mind, the front is where the front door is and the place where mail and deliveries of furniture etc is taken in and is most commonly nearest the road. My own house has the lounge with patio doors at end and a large window at the other end. Hence people can decide which view they like best and arrange the furniture to suit their prefences. Might these houses be built in the same fashion? 

35 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Most YouTubers are not idiots, yes there are some raving nutters

I think it's actually the opposite of your assessment of ratios.  

 

But who am I to judge, I'm just another raving nutter with prejudices. I simply place my trust in professionals and authorities. I mean, they can't all be bribed, can they?

42 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

.... I mean, they can't all be bribed, can they?

Dont count on it .... this happened Down Under ( didnt it ? )

2 hours ago, wyx087 said:

I think it's actually the opposite of your assessment of ratios.  

 

But who am I to judge, I'm just another raving nutter with prejudices. I simply place my trust in professionals and authorities. I mean, they can't all be bribed, can they?

No you're not a nutter, I disagree with your ratio assessment, it's just that they have a different perspective and it's always good to get well rounded view of things. Can't achieve that unless you listen, watch other people's points of view. Professionals can and do get it wrong, case in point, the pandemic, who had the worst death tolls, who had the lowest etc. Another example, diesel, once heralded as the fuel of the future, greener etc, who was saying this? Answer is the professionals, they jumped to the wrong conclusions then, and could be doing the same now, time will tell if they were right or not. Meantime, I as a professional will still consider both sides of the debate and as an electrical engineer, I'm very keen for electric to succeed, SAFELY, is the key word here. 

2 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Meantime, I as a professional will still consider both sides of the debate and as an electrical engineer, I'm very keen for electric to succeed,

 

As a professional what?

 

I thought a professional electrical engineer till I read the above, so what do you consider your profession to be now?

32 minutes ago, J.R. said:

 

As a professional what?

 

I thought a professional electrical engineer till I read the above, so what do you consider your profession to be now?

Really, back to playing games, are we?