53 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Tesla uses "pyro fuse", A one time fuse that cuts connection, probably in case of accident.

 

Exactly this, and because it is a "pyro" fuse, it means there is zero chance of an arc being established, as the small explosion forcibly forces any arc outwards and thus stretches the arc so it can no longer sustain itself.

7 hours ago, Rooted said:

@xman  tell us your truth about electric vehicles because at present there seems little new being posted. 

 

These must be very good EVs because important people buy them, when are they coming to the UK and will they be available on motobility?

😉

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13165107/cybertruck-celebrity-lady-gaga-justin-bieber-kim-kardashian.html

 

 

 

Daily Express scare ev headline.......

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1874591/electric-car-petrol-diesel-vehicle-excise-duty-changes 

THEN YOU READ DEEPER....   (Seems to be based on EVs being sold which are over £40K despite us knowing that EV RRPs are falling fast as battery packs become cheaper and all the interest now is on the £16k to £40k EVs, like the base model TESLA model 3)

EV owners to pay 'three times more than petrol or diesel’ under Vehicle Excise Duty update

Electric car owners could be paying “three times more tax than petrol or diesel cars” when new Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) fees are introduced, according to an expert.   Matthew Walters, Head of Consultancy Services and Customer Value at ALD Automotive | LeasePlan UK, warned rules changes would add over £1,000 to motorists' bills.

Matthew has taken particular aim at the "expensive car supplement", an extra fee which is applied on models valued at over £40,000.

With upfront costs still high for electric models, not changing the threshold means almost all EV motorists will be affected and slapped with extra charges.

Speaking after the Spring Budget, Matthew opined: "Although it was inevitable that electric cars would pay vehicle excise duty (‘road tax’) eventually, the blanket approach announced in the 2022 Autumn Statement introduces unnecessary penalties compared to some petrol and diesel models. "From April 2025, VED rates will be equalised across all cars, while new registrations priced over £40,000 will also qualify for the expensive car supplement – a £410 charge, applied to the first five annual renewals.

@xman sad man if that is an attempt at snideness?.     Re Cybertruks.  Are they Type Approved to allow them to be imported and registers in the UK?  

No, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think they are destined for the UK. I think they are only in left hookers, too heavy and too wide at 2.4 metres? 

Edited 8 March, 20242 yr by Graham Butcher

I really could not see how they could even pass an IVA in the UK with the sharp edges at the front.

 

Model 3 standard range but the new much improved Highland edition.  Certified range (with 19 inch wheels) 318 miles.

 

With 18 inch "Photon" wheels,below........ 

Wow give me the 18 inch ones any day !!   One can of course exceed this range when driving economically and around warmer half of year temperatures. 

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Wheels

18’’ Photon Wheels

19’’ Nova Wheels

18’’ Photon Wheels Included

Est. range as configured: 344 mi

 

Edited 8 March, 20242 yr by lol-lol

It's amazing they can get 344 miles out of that ~60 kWh LFP pack in standard range. 

Similar motor-battery in Model Y standard RWD only gets 260 miles. 

 

Who would have thought taller SUV style vehicle destroys efficiency. 

Confused, who is it that is saying they can get a certified range of 318 miles on 19 inch wheels? I expect that is a claim made by Telsa?

@lol-lol Is that USA Certification,  US EPA ?   

What has the WLTP results showing?

4 minutes ago, Rooted said:

@lol-lol Is that USA Certification,  US EPA ?   

What has the WLTP results showing?

The 19 inch wheel 318 miles is "certified WLTP" figures, see Tesla UK configurator: https://www.tesla.com/en_gb/model3/design#overview

18 inch 344 miles is estimated. 

 

272 mi with 18inch "EPA est" and 248 mi with 19 inch "est" , see US configurator: https://www.tesla.com/en_gb/model3/design#overview

 

That's not so impressive when comparing same testing scheme, 19 inch (smallest configurable) Model Y RWD get 260 miles "EPA est". 

4 minutes ago, Rooted said:

@lol-lol Is that USA Certification,  US EPA ?   

What has the WLTP results showing?

 

That was from the UK website.  I was just amazed at the difference the two wheel sizes made ie 8% further.

 

I know in a test at Castle Coomb I think it was that got my model Zoe to do 480 miles on a setp of special tyres as opposed to 430 miles on normal tyres and that is more than 10%.

 

Over 500 kms on both WLTP methods ie Test Energy high and Test Energy low.....  This gives us 318 miles and 342 miles or so.  Incredible from a 58 kwH batery back but then the car is ultra slippy ie Cd=0.22 and low too  ..... https://ev-database.org/car/1991/Tesla-Model-3    

 

WLTP Ratings (TEL)

Range	554 km
Rated Consumption	130 Wh/km
Vehicle Consumption	104 Wh/km

CO2 Emissions	0 g/km
Rated Fuel Equivalent	1.5 l/100km
Vehicle Fuel Equivalent	1.2 l/100km

WLTP Ratings (TEH)

Range	513 km
Rated Consumption	No Data
Vehicle Consumption	112 Wh/km

CO2 Emissions	0 g/km
Rated Fuel Equivalent	No Data
Vehicle Fuel Equivalent	1.3 l/100km

21 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Confused, who is it that is saying they can get a certified range of 318 miles on 19 inch wheels? I expect that is a claim made by Telsa?

 

See my post from EV database that quotes WLTP High and Low energy figures as they now show not just one figure but they are circa 320 and 340 miles for each figures.

 

5 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

The 19 inch wheel 318 miles is "certified WLTP" figures, see Tesla UK configurator: https://www.tesla.com/en_gb/model3/design#overview

18 inch 344 miles is estimated. 

 

272 mi with 18inch "EPA est" and 248 mi with 19 inch "est" , see US configurator: https://www.tesla.com/en_gb/model3/design#overview

 

That's not so impressive when comparing same testing scheme, 19 inch (smallest configurable) Model Y RWD get 260 miles "EPA est". 

I would take those claims with a pinch of salt, all makers claim the very highest they can for everything and they are not really achievable in real life by real drivers in real world conditions.   

Then with a lot of Salt on roads and what tyres in the Sizes, 

How does the All Season / All Weathers affect things or full Winters or Nordic Winters.?

1 minute ago, Graham Butcher said:

I would take those claims with a pinch of salt, all makers claim the very highest they can for everything and they are not really achievable in real life by real drivers in real world conditions.   

That is a given. The EPA is closer to real life than WLTP. 

 

The tests are standarised across all manufacturers, those figure are still useful for comparison across brands. 

Richard Symonds easily getting over 300 miles in his new Model 3, actually more like 330 total range  .............

 

 

^^^ He is a very efficient / economical fuel / energy wise driver / car sales person.

He gets quite impressive miles per kWh from many EV,s he drives / films. 

 

If just anyone driving the same cars on the same roads can get the same results without having to know how best to just how good would that be!

 

Another vid that New Model 3 got much more 300 miles, actual over 325 miles........

 

 

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

Richard Symonds easily getting over 300 miles in his new Model 3, actually more like 330 total range  .............

 

 

 

if driving at the speed limit for 1hr on the motorway how far would you get?

 

 

 

58mph

 

 

Don't forget RSymon's black 2024 Model 3 is a long range AWD (69 kWh since charge). For that configuration, Tesla says "Est. range as configured: 421 m".  You'd very well expect it to exceed 300 miles of real world range.

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

Don't forget RSymon's black 2024 Model 3 is a long range AWD (69 kWh since charge). For that configuration, Tesla says "Est. range as configured: 421 m".  You'd very well expect it to exceed 300 miles of real world range.

 

Indeed 421 miles on the 18 inch wheels, 390 miles with the 19 inch wheels.  23% more range with the long range model. £10k more expense to buy, plus all the luxury cost taxes that will come next year, so 25% more cost and blistering performance, presumably more insurance costs.  Again the 18 inch wheel show a big difference in range and TESLA brilliance is showing very little penalty for the AWD system transmission losses, very low compared to an ICE 4X4 losses it would seem and the weight penalty small too.  

 

Very tough choice but think I will be going for the base model model 3 ie FLP standard range sub £40k RRP model.  I expect I will get the 300 mileage range, I am quite an economical driver. 

 

It would be far better if anybody could drive them and without any special techniques get those kinds of miles between charges while driving in the same fashion that they would with ICE car. No flooring the throttle like a boy racer to get to the next set of lights first or no tickling the throttle and maximising the regen on overrun etc. 

On 06/03/2024 at 17:41, Stonekeeper said:

 

 

My guess would be a floormat

Nope, it wasn't here is the full interview that Geoff Buys Cars had with the driver. This car has had 2 similar incidents and Jaguar keep saying they can find no problem with it....