Was it an £80,000 I-Pace when bought new?

Edited 7 March, 20242 yr by Rooted

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

According to information, this incident with that Jaguar doing around 100mph on the motorway is indeed plausible as it is alleged to have been in this fault mode where the speed could not be regulated at 3am in the morning when there would not have been much in the line of other traffic on the road.

A Cheshire Constabulary spokesman told MailOnline: 'At around 2.15pm on Wednesday 6 March, police were contacted by the driver of a Jaguar I-Pace who reported that there was a fault with his vehicle, and he was unable to brake.

'The driver told police that he was travelling on the M58 in Merseyside.

'Officers attended the scene and escorted the vehicle as it travelled onto the M57 and then M62 towards Manchester.

'Once on the M62, officers from Cheshire Police, Merseyside Police and Greater Manchester worked together to stop all other traffic, they then used a police car to help bring the car to a stop at around 2.40pm, between junctions 10 and 11 of the M62 eastbound.'

2 hours ago, Rooted said:

All fiction.  Never happened, can not happen.    Someone here knows about such things. 

 

 

 

And to think that this was 8 years ago, now we have EVs with over the air updates so this is even more possible and it is theoretically possible that even some radio signal etc, could also overwhelm the ECU's and cause glitches with possible highly undesirable consequences? 

RAC not contacted me yet from the over air data on my MINI to tell me of the TPMS fault which i cancel each time i turn on the car. 

Because i have no sensor valves in the wheels.

Edited 7 March, 20242 yr by Rooted

10 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

A Cheshire Constabulary spokesman told MailOnline: 'At around 2.15pm on Wednesday 6 March, police were contacted by the driver of a Jaguar I-Pace who reported that there was a fault with his vehicle, and he was unable to brake.

'The driver told police that he was travelling on the M58 in Merseyside.

'Officers attended the scene and escorted the vehicle as it travelled onto the M57 and then M62 towards Manchester.

'Once on the M62, officers from Cheshire Police, Merseyside Police and Greater Manchester worked together to stop all other traffic, they then used a police car to help bring the car to a stop at around 2.40pm, between junctions 10 and 11 of the M62 eastbound.'

Yes, I was just about to correct my original posting as I realised that @xman post I replied to, was talking about the brake failure, but at the time I thought he was talking about the other incident that the driver had on 22nd December last year at 3am when the car sped upto 100mph on the motorway and he also had to do a 999 call for assistance. 

3 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Yes, I was just about to correct my original posting as I realised that @xman post I replied to, was talking about the brake failure, but at the time I thought he was talking about the other incident that the driver had on 22nd December last year at 3am when the car sped upto 100mph on the motorway and he also had to do a 999 call for assistance. 

 

I don't think he likes the car.

 

Mr Owen said he has also had another incident where his battery died while he was on the motorway last April - just a month after he bought the vehicle.

'I was driving the vehicle and I had about 100 miles still left and I was literally just driving about 20 miles and I lost pretty much all that charge and car stopped in motorway and I got recovered - it took about 8 hours to recover the vehicle,' he said.

'Everything literally just shuts off. The wheels clamp up because its electric, I can't take the handbrake off.'

2 minutes ago, Rooted said:

RAC not contacted me yet from the over air data on my MINI to tell me of the TPMS fault which i cancel each time i turn on the car. 

Because i have no sensor valves in the wheels.

I was speaking about the Tesla updates which @wyx087 posted about a while ago where Tesla can remotely access a Tesla and indeed it is mentioned on the "Just Get a Tesla" YT channel as when he had the issue IIRC a broken headlight, and they remotely accessed his Tesla to diagnose it.

^^^ I know.

The Corsa Electric kept going back to factory settings, locked me out, did software updates or reversed ones that had been done and wiped miles off the car. 

Amazing technology.  Also the gear selector failed. 

 

I can still trace where the car is as never managed to get rid of My Vauxhall app even though they said it expired. 

 

PS.

Some EV,s can have the miles covered altered just like you can change with an e-Bike.  Change in the software the wheel diameter setting. 

Edited 7 March, 20242 yr by Rooted

3 hours ago, xman said:

It would possibly need to use a explosive device based like an airbag to ensure rapid contact seperation.

Tesla uses "pyro fuse", A one time fuse that cuts connection, probably in case of accident.

 

2 hours ago, xman said:

So put the gearbox into neutral. Whats the chance of both gearbox ecu and engine ecu failing simultaneously? Less than the the power inverter control system of an electric motor?

Catastrophic electrical failure will not be isolated to a single control unit. In case of 12v battery failure, the fault would manifest itself in unstable supply voltage, this means CAN bus messages get scrambled and all control units would become unresponsive.

 

2 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

It's my understanding that the complete traction system on EVs has to have a healthy 12v lead acid battery to operate. Battery fails, car shuts down and if battery fails while parked, then nothing will run. So in that case a failed battery shouldn't cause the problems you mentioned. 

12v battery may not completely fail, it may degrade to such a state that it cannot hold sufficient charge.

With ICE, you notice the weak cranking and you replace the battery.

With EV, it goes unnoticed until the tiniest increase in power draw creates a large enough voltage drop that causes corrupted CAN bus messages, etc. There's many reports of all sort of very strange behaviour with Leaf when 12v needs replacing.

 

19 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

I was speaking about the Tesla updates which @wyx087 posted about a while ago where Tesla can remotely access a Tesla and indeed it is mentioned on the "Just Get a Tesla" YT channel as when he had the issue IIRC a broken headlight, and they remotely accessed his Tesla to diagnose it.

 

I can diagnose a broken headlight just by looking at it. Or alternatively asking 2 questions if I'm not actually there to see it.

 

Is it switched on but not lit up? Yup its broken. That'll be £140+vat for the diagnostic charge (Evan Halshaw Dacia rate)

Edited 7 March, 20242 yr by xman
Yes £140 was what Evan Halshaw wanted after they diagnosed "no fault found" on DIL's Dacia

^^^ Probably you can do it blind folded.

 

 

 

Edited 7 March, 20242 yr by Rooted

29 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

And to think that this was 8 years ago, now we have EVs with over the air updates so this is even more possible and it is theoretically possible that even some radio signal etc, could also overwhelm the ECU's and cause glitches with possible highly undesirable consequences? 

 

I wouldn't trust traditional manufacturers with any cyber security matters.

 

But I am sure it wouldn't be a problem for software security centric manufacturer.

For example: https://bugcrowd.com/tesla

 

25 minutes ago, Rooted said:

RAC not contacted me yet from the over air data on my MINI to tell me of the TPMS fault which i cancel each time i turn on the car. 

Because i have no sensor valves in the wheels.

 

 

 

Did you keep them when you changed the tyres?

Yes on the rims and wheels i took off.   Ready for when they go back on the car.

1 minute ago, Rooted said:

Yes on the rims and wheels i took off.   Ready for when they go back on the car.

 

I wonder what would happen if you put them in the glovebox then did the tpms reset?

 

Obviously not still on the rims 😂

@xman

 

Why the groan icon to my last posting?

 

I am fairly sure that the MSA Blue Book will have revised regulations for the mandatory electrical system cut off of EV's taking part in MSA or FIA motorsports events, 2 decades ago I would have just picked up my bible and quoted them to you.

 

Happy to be proved wrong but I am confident that it will be a mandatory requirement, that the cut off switch or relay will exist on every EV or hybrid used in motorsport so it can not be the technical challenge or impossibility that you believe it to be, whether or not one should be fitted to road vehicles is certainly open to discussion.

 

Actually on the grounds of safety I would be less than happy to be proved wrong in this instance.

Edited 7 March, 20242 yr by J.R.

The wheels could go in the back of the car and all would be well.

Sorry misunderstood, didn't realise you had the original tyres as well.

 

how come the rims are not matching?

Edited 7 March, 20242 yr by Stonekeeper

There is a Video's on the Motorsport Prepared ZOE, Corsa & MINI & E-Racers showing the safety features, cut offs etc required and warnings etc for Marshals 

@Stonekeeper  The Original 17" with TPMS sensors and the winters on 16" without £155 worth of sensors in.  They are a PITA. 

(There are sets for £50 but i was not putting them in.)

Edited 7 March, 20242 yr by Rooted

I like this article too. It's about cars should have some buttons etc, at least if you want a full 5 star NCAP rating  

 

EVs seem to be leading the move away from the more traditional button, knob and stalk controls that I love and expect, so hopefully this will at least check their ambitions. Is it just me, or does anyone else like to fiddle with their heater controls? 

 

 

 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/opinion/new-cars/finally-new-safety-rules-recognise-buttons-beat-touchscreens

4 minutes ago, Lady Elanore said:

Is it just me, or does anyone else like to fiddle with their heater controls?

 

No. I can't stand it if it's on (for e.g) 18.5°C

18 or 19 yes but never .5 🙅‍♂️

 

They temp in an EV gets turned up to 25 or 28 or what ever and it only needs that for 2 minutes or so, then down to 18.

If full outdoor gear on down to 16*oC. 

 

I watched this the other day and wondered WTF with his 3 lights on heated seat, was it just to show. 1st setting and my ars3 is burning.

AC surely not needed.  

 

   (He has a Vid disagreeing with Harry (Harry's garage on EV,s but not posting.)

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 7 March, 20242 yr by Rooted

11 minutes ago, J.R. said:

@xman

 

Why the groan icon to my last posting?

 

I am fairly sure that the MSA Blue Book will have revised regulations for the mandatory electrical system cut off of EV's taking part in MSA or FIA motorsports events, 2 decades ago I would have just picked up my bible and quoted them to you.

 

Happy to be proved wrong but I am confident that it will be a mandatory requirement, that the cut off switch or relay will exist on every EV or hybrid used in motorsport so it can not be the technical challenge or impossibility that you claim it is.

 

Actually on the grounds of safety I would be less than happy to be proved wrong in this instance.

 

I don't think you appreciate the amount of energy that can be released in a short time from a 80kwh HV DC EV battery. As @wyx087 points out Tesla uses Pyrofuses to isolate the battery in case of an accident. You wouldn't put a capacitor where you claim. It would be a serious service hazard. The main battery isolator should only be operated in a controlled manner by trained personnel following a workshop procedure, after all systems are shut down and the car is securely at a standstill. Arcing is something you just don't want to occur on an Isolator switch under any circumstances as it could easily compromise its function.

 

 

7 minutes ago, @Lee said:

 

No. I can't stand it if it's on (for e.g) 18.5°C

18 or 19 yes but never .5 🙅‍♂️

 

 

 

A little OT but I always set alarms and timers to the nearest 5 mins  Occasionally I challenge myself and set an 'odd' number. 

 

Back on topic, my hybriddiddy has a screen control for the temp and the Jag has big knobs. Guess which I prefer (no smutt please...you know who you are!  )