11 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Hardly been using a 3 pin lead, did you look at the attached links, they have even been storing solar power in a massive 1,200kWh storage battery to help with their charging.

How would you explain the fault as explained by the council person?

Type 2 and CCS plug will not come undone unless the plug/socket are faulty. Then they would be promptly replaced under warranty.

May be not all are charged by special battery or via installed charge point? 🤷‍♂️

Oh dear, Its not April the 1st is it?

Is the world going crazy? Renault, Geely and Aramco are backing a ICE range extender that will fit into a frunk and will be launching it at the upcoming Munich Motor Show. I though range anxiety was not an issue, but it seems to be a real thing after all or is just a load of BS.

There is simply loads of mentions and references to this all over the internet and has been on TV as well and yet nobody is even talking about it?

Horse reveals drop-in range-extender conversion for EVs | Autocar

Renault and Geely showcase compact range extender for EVs - electrive.com

This Tiny Engine Fits In a Briefcase. But It Could Boost Your EV's Range by Hundreds of Miles

Horse launches C15 range extender for EVs - PistonHeads UK

Horse 1.5-cylinder range-extender engine for electric vehicles

Horse Powertrain unveils compact range extender technology - Electric & Hybrid Vehicle Technology International

Horse Powertrain reveals Horse C15 ultra compact range extender solutions | Automotive World

Briefcase-sized C15 engine to turn EVs into range-extended hybrids

Large Briefcase-Sized Range Extender Turns Any Fully Electric Car Into a Hybrid of Sorts - autoevolution

range extender Archives - Motor Trade News

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Oh no, even more , the world must have gone crazy, Porsche are now allegedly stopping EV battery production and going back to ICE?

Barrie Crampton has discovered that the issue with the Taycans battery was (so he says) was a busbar was not correctly torqued down and a short circuit could occur and hence the recalls and claiming that a software update would prevent the fault from happening or even prevent the battery from going into thermal runaway, no way on earth is that even possible.

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41 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Is the world going crazy? Renault, Geely and Aramco are backing a ICE range extender that will fit into a frunk and will be launching it at the upcoming Munich Motor Show. I though range anxiety was not an issue, but it seems to be a real thing after all or is just a load of BS.

It's to enable continued selling their vehicle with minimum R&D when the 2030 ban on pure ICE comes in. Rather than develop a PHEV from ICE vehicle, simply put in a range extender to appease people who must sip on fossil fuel.

Only an anti-EV-er would see it as a step back from EV transition. The moment ICE is mechanically decoupled from the wheels, people will realise how much better electric motors are.

2 hours ago, classic said:

Would be relevant if this was the truth about electric bin lorries.

To quote the council head of fleet in the article - “From a cost perspective I would replace a diesel van for an electric van and I wouldn’t even hesitate,” he added.

The above, I think is intended to illustrate that the council head of fleet, was trying to say that he would replace an electric van with a diesel van and would not even hesitate to do so.

But as I have said before, time will tell if this is true or not, but seeing as it being widely reported there could well be some truth here. Sometimes it is very hard to tell as there are as always claim and counterclaim, just as their was in the lock down era.

I guess we are reading his sentence from our differing perspectives but the way he continues is what makes me interpret it the way I did.

“From a cost perspective I would replace a diesel van for an electric van and I wouldn’t even hesitate,” he added.

“On a HGV I wouldn’t even look at an electric one unless we got a load of grant funding from the Government. We should be looking at diesel with HVO because that is the best value choice.”

I don’t know how they expected the electric ones to work out when their diesel lorries can carry 40% more weight. It seems to me the council ordered inadequate vehicles and clearly their charging infrastructure isn’t good enough.

There are private bus companies like Arriva and Stagecoach running huge fleets of Electric buses and installing reliable charging systems, so clearly the sums must add up or they wouldn’t do it. Also they don’t replace a diesel bus with an electric one that holds 40% less people.

There are plenty videos covering Dundee City Council and the Electric Vehicle fleet which now has 8 electric bin lorries.

Plenty Renewables electricity available there though.

I will put up again for those that maybe have not seen.

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@classic there might be a clue there as I think someone mentioned something about being the first or early adopter? I guess someone has to the guinea pig in to discover the problems?

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20 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

There are plenty videos covering Dundee City Council and the Electric Vehicle fleet which now has 8 electric bin lorries.

Plenty Renewables electricity available there though.

I will put up again for those that maybe have not seen.

@Ootohere I remember reading somewhere about electric busses need a top up charge at each end of their routes so they have had to build in chargers at them,that is less.them ideal and makes route changes harder to do.

Just check out the city to city electric bus routes in Scotland now. Busy busy busses stopping into towns, it is a brave new world. Some places moved with the times.

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50 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Just check out the city to city electric bus routes in Scotland now. Busy busy busses stopping into towns, it is a brave new world. Some places moved with the times.

The busses that I was talking about were the town buses, driving routes across towns and cities from from one estate to another which have frequent stops and traffic delays and where of course there is a need to maintain interior lighting as well heating/cooling etc. Surely electric buses follow the same rules of physics where they require far more energy to get them rolling each time they come to a stop at bus stops, traffic holdups, traffic lights etc, than it does to keep it trundling along motorways between city to city?

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1 hour ago, classic said:

so clearly the sums must add up or they wouldn’t do it.

One would certainly hope so, but that also assumes that they are given the correct figures in the first instance, i.e, diesel gate?

Happy "World EV Day"..... whatever that is.

World EV Day

There's also a "Sun Day" coming up.

https://www.sunday.earth/

All things being equal in terms of operating costs, less diesel fumes and particulates being emitted in towns and cities has to be a good thing.

9 hours ago, wyx087 said:

It's to enable continued selling their vehicle with minimum R&D when the 2030 ban on pure ICE comes in. Rather than develop a PHEV from ICE vehicle, simply put in a range extender to appease people who must sip on fossil fuel.

Only an anti-EV-er would see it as a step back from EV transition. The moment ICE is mechanically decoupled from the wheels, people will realise how much better electric motors are.

Or of course, people who can perhaps just see that maybe the Emperors new clothes are NOT as they were described to the Emperor? Remember, nothing is as dangerous as a closed mindset.

If we all had closed minds, then we would be having no new inventions, discoveries etc, people would still think the Earth was flat. We would be doing and accepting everything we are told as a done deal, like the rats following the pied piper, think about it, we need people on both sides of the fence to have open minds so that progress can be made.

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10 minutes ago, classic said:

All things being equal in terms of operating costs, less diesel fumes and particulates being emitted in towns and cities has to be a good thing.

Not disagreeing with you, but all the narrative's are about Net Zero, that being CO2 and not NOX.

Dundee City and elsewhere have Electric City Busses. But this is just Groundhog day it seems.

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13 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Not disagreeing with you, but all the narrative's are about Net Zero, that being CO2 and not NOX.

Indeed it is. 2 minutes on google have revealed to me that hvo fuel may not be the silver bullet that the Nottingham council fleet manager believes it is…

https://airqualitynews.com/fuels/hvo-fuel-market-beset-by-fraud-report-finds/

36 minutes ago, classic said:

All things being equal in terms of operating costs,

I would add to that - and costs to customers as well as quality of service provided.

The 12 tonne electric vs 20 tonne diesel rubbish disposal vehicles failed on that last point.

47 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Or of course, people who can perhaps just see that maybe the Emperors new clothes are NOT as they were described to the Emperor? Remember, nothing is as dangerous as a closed mindset.

If we all had closed minds, then we would be having no new inventions, discoveries etc, people would still think the Earth was flat. We would be doing and accepting everything we are told as a done deal, like the rats following the pied piper, think about it, we need people on both sides of the fence to have open minds so that progress can be made.

Speak for yourself 👆

@Ootohere Ok, look, I understand that electric buses exist, geez, we have them all over parts of London and we have had a few of them go into thermal runaway as well and they were pretty well reported at the time and caused massive problems with road closures etc for hours on end. In fact I think the London was one of the first places to try out alternative energy buses even, we hydrogen buses a few years ago as well, which were hailed as the future, where are they now?

The point that I was actually making was that unlike the single deck intercity coaches like those that you posted, which spend most of the time actually moving at a reasonable speed and so use less energy to keep up the moment. Compare that with a double deck town service bus which has bus stops every 500metres or so, plus traffic jams and traffic lights, road junctions etc which force the bus to stop and pull away again, these use use significantly more energy per mile then buses and coaches going from town to town. Don't forget that while you in your car decide that you are not going to use the A/C or heating etc to maximise your range, you cannot expect fare paying passengers to make the same sacrifices that you do, so the want heating or cooling, they want to sit in a lit interior, they have powered doors, route signs, information screens etc all drawing power.

Because of this they also need to have chargers located at the terminus at each end of their designated routes and will take around at least 10 minutes to top up the batteries ready to make the return trip where they repeat the process all over again

Perhaps this video will assist in explaining this and I again make the point about the chargers will actually make changes to such bus services extremely challenging as the infrastructure needs some pretty major construction not to mention a good grid connection.

Plus of course, given that in many situations the routes end up in the middle of housing estates, would you be prepared to have one of these chargers that London Transport transport are using outside or in view of your house??

Its a case of location, location, location 😉

Ps, I see that the deputy mayor is once again repeating the lie that each year 4,000 people in London are dying from poor air quality, pure fiction.

Edit: My bad, the type of charger shown is located at the depot/bus station and tops the bus up when it arrives there.

This video shows they can also plug in.

Edited 9 September, 20259 Sep by Graham Butcher

https://www.london.gov.uk/programmes-strategies/environment-and-climate-change/pollution-and-air-quality/ultra-low-emission-zone-ulez-london/ulez-frequently-asked-questions/what-evidence-air-pollution-leads-around-4000-premature-deaths

Granted, it’s not totally down to vehicle emissions but it isn’t pure fiction .

Edited 9 September, 20259 Sep by classic

Our workplace has electric buses at the nearby bus stop some of the time.

There definitely isn't a charger at the terminus end nearest to us - I presume there is at the other end though.

10 minutes ago, classic said:

https://www.london.gov.uk/programmes-strategies/environment-and-climate-change/pollution-and-air-quality/ultra-low-emission-zone-ulez-london/ulez-frequently-asked-questions/what-evidence-air-pollution-leads-around-4000-premature-deaths

Granted, it’s not totally down to vehicle emissions but it isn’t pure fiction .

Take that with a pinch of salt, yes toxic air is not good, granted, but air in London has been improving consistently year on year for many decades now.

The actual air quality in London is far far worse on the tubes, many times higher than the safe figures released by the WHO and the air quality at street levels near to tube stations entrances or the many ventilation shafts dotted all over London, again push the levels in those far higher but I don't see anything being done to resolve that issue.

I have posted before about the air quality maps showing air quality in real time and the locations of the monitoring stations, most are clearly visible on Google Earth as are the station entrances and ventilation shafts. People can clearly see the various locations and real time and also historic data recorded.

It certainly does not look like we are being told the entire truth, just enough to make people believe it, in I think similar vein to another controversial event that happened 2016 United Kingdom European Union membership referendum - Wikipedia

Interestingly it seemed that Scotland was whole heartily opposed to it but were forced to tow the line as can be seen in the map showing the split of the vote, as @Ootohere points out.

So far there is zero evidence that any of the benefits as far as the normal person in the street is concerned have materialised.

Believe or believe not, as Yoda might say 😏

Edited 9 September, 20259 Sep by classic