Over a year with my Kodiaq and don't think I have toutched the park brake button.

I just use the auto hold and let the car sort everything out and not had a problem.

On boxing day coming home I got stuck in traffic due to an accident, I was just sat with the auto hold on and travel assist active and after a bit the car binged, applied the park brake and turnned off the travel assist as we had not moved for quite a while.

I just let the car do what it thinks is best with the park brake 😜

 

 

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That's because they don't blind you. I've been driving for 50 years and have yet to experience being blinded by brake lights whilst sitting in traffic.

Off topic again, apologies for that, but for the sake of clarity and correctness.

Staring at, or having bright lights shining at you does affect your night vision, thereby, if the bright lights from cars in front are shining at you then your vision will be affected for the time it takes for your eyes to acclimatise to normal lighting, which could be several minutes. Any bright light will do this, but red lights are not as bad as white light.

Also, constantly looking at bright lights will in the fullness of time cause eye damage. Again, white light is worse than other colours.

Then there’s the driver who gives you a main beam flash in the dark to acknowledge the fact that you yielded due to a parked car.

 

****!  [edit - that wasn’t a Really Rude Word, but I guess there a very sensitive censor on this place]

 

I now shield when I know that’s coming these days.

Edited 30 December, 20214 yr by BoxerBoy

On 27/12/2021 at 23:48, kodiaqsportline said:

Just reading above replies - the usual drivel.

 

Can sum it up very simply. Lets take a bog std perfectly legal UK car like erm, a Kodiaq.   ( It should be noted that our friends Root and JR own neither ).

 

When autohold is applied, and you stop at the lights then the brake lights come on and...   It's perfectly legal. 

 

We know the brake lights come on but most owners or drivers haven't a scooby. There is no indication whatsoever in the car that the brake lights are on. It's perfectly legal for manufacturers to operate autohold in this way.

 

In his lengthy reply ( as per usual ) you won't find any reference to being blinded by the lights. That's because they don't blind you. I've been driving for 50 years and have yet to experience being blinded by brake lights whilst sitting in traffic. I ask again, who in their right mind sits staring at the lights in front of you when stationary?

 

He then introduces FOG lights? Who mentioned fog lights? that has nothing to do with autohold. It's illegal to use fog lights when the visibility is good. When you switch on fog lights, unlike the brake, there's a light on the dash to lets you know the fogs are on. If you see the fogs are on when the weather improves you can then switch them off. I'll say it again, there is no indication whatsoever on the dash that the brake lights are running so how does the driver know if they are on?

 

As for JR and his eye drops or eye problems. You should NOT be driving a car if you have issues with your eyes because that's illegal.  Case in question - if a car happens to brake when slowing down, you'll be blinded by that too. So what's your solution - don't use brakes at anytime just incase Mr Magoo is driving the car behind? Presumably you'll be blinded by oncoming traffic with bright LEDs too with those eye issues? I mean if you're blinded by head torches...  

 

Some people are determined to lecture others that they know better than anyone else. Neither of the above replies hold any ground - you're both arguing for arguments sake and obviously never thought this through. Playing devils advocate, lets say the lights did blind you. So what? You're in stationary traffic - you're going nowhere - so what's the problem?

 

Just because it's "legal" doesn't mean it's the kindest thing to do.  Farting in your face isn't illegal, but it's not nice.  I do find sitting behind someone with their brake lights on for a long period in the dark, "less pleasant" than sitting behind someone without their brake lights on.

On 28/12/2021 at 09:20, Yogi-Bear said:

 

I know this is going off-topic again, and for that I sincerely apologise... but wow. I was going to ask if you suffer from OCD, but then I thought that it's not you... it's that the rest of us have become enormously lazy because we don't even bother thinking about any of that stuff. The car puts the handbrake on and turns everything off itself. Every time I get into the wife's Ka, I have to consciously think what that third pedal is for and how to use it... and that the car isn't moving because I haven't released the hand-brake.

 

And it's only going to get worse - I read somewhere that most driving tests these days are done in automatics, and when you think about the advent of electric cars you realise why. Maybe one day there won't even be a driving test as self-driving cars will become a practical reality, but let's not pull at that particular thread these days.

 

TL;DR - sorry for going off-topic again, but we're all lazy.

Electric starter motors... that's when the rot really set in...😉

On 28/12/2021 at 06:54, SurreyJohn said:

 

Doesn’t seem to be any need to even have the button to manually activate it on cars fitted with auto transmission and autohold

 

 

On my auto Kodiaq I use the manual park brake button for two things: when stopped in traffic for a while at night I manually activate it, which then switches off the brake lights - it seems a kind thing to do; when I know the car is going to be parked on the level for a while (or after washing it) I manually deactivate it - it helps reduce the chance of the pads seizing to the disks. 

My Karoq has an autobrake, sothe brakes are applied whenever the car stops. I can't see any need to apply the brake manually if you have it.

Autohold is not applied whenever the car stops.

You need to push the brake pedal hard enough to have it function.  You can stop with light braking and it is not holding the car .

ie car stopped, foot comes off the brake pedal and brakes are not applied.

You can go to N and Autohold is not holding the brakes. 

 

The e-Brake / parking brake is applied when you exit the car etc.

2 hours ago, roottoot said:

Autohold is not applied whenever the car stops.

You need to push the brake pedal hard enough to have it function.  You can stop with light braking and it is not holding the car .

ie car stopped, foot comes off the brake pedal and brakes are not applied.

You can go to N and Autohold is not holding the brakes. 

 

The e-Brake / parking brake is applied when you exit the car etc.

 

I think there may be some confusion here. My car has the electronic brake which applies whenever I stop the engine. It also has hill assist (autohold) which holds the car on hills without application of the parkink brake. It also has Autobrake, which applies the parking brake when you stop,

 

As a test, I disengaged the autobrake and allowed the car to run down a gentle slope. On stopping and releasing the brake pedal the car started to roll down the hill. When I then applied tha Autobrake I had to press the accelerator to allow the car to roll, and then I stopped again. This time the car held. If Hill Hold stops the car and the footbrake is released the car will move after a few seconds. If the Autobake is on the car will sit there until you release it by applying throttle.

6 minutes ago, Routemaster1461 said:

 

I think there may be some confusion here. My car has the electronic brake which applies whenever I stop the engine. It also has hill assist (autohold) which holds the car on hills without application of the parkink brake. It also has Autobrake, which applies the parking brake when you stop,

 

As a test, I disengaged the autobrake and allowed the car to run down a gentle slope. On stopping and releasing the brake pedal the car started to roll down the hill. When I then applied tha Autobrake I had to press the accelerator to allow the car to roll, and then I stopped again. This time the car held. If Hill Hold stops the car and the footbrake is released the car will move after a few seconds. If the Autobake is on the car will sit there until you release it by applying throttle.

I’ve never seen or heard of the auto brake function you talk of.

There is an autohold function and a button to turn it on or off beside the EHB.

The autohold works by keeping the hydraulic pressure on all 4 wheels, same as if you were to keep your foot on the brake pedal, it does not apply the EHB.

You are correct in that the EHB will apply when you turn off ignition and also when you open drivers door.

Hill hold assist / hill hold control is a different thing from Autohold and then the  e-brake / parking brake.  @Routemaster1461 it helps if you say if your car has a DSG or manual box.     Any confusion comes from lost on Translation which is a VW group think.  German to Czech to Spanish to English or US English.  Then them using different names over the past 12 years for things like hill hold assist / hill hold control. Then people not reading the manual for their particular vehicle.  Still lost in translation sadly. 

Edited 4 January, 20224 yr by roottoot

1 hour ago, roottoot said:

Hill hold assist / hill hold control is a different thing from Autohold and then the  e-brake / parking brake.  @Routemaster1461 it helps if you say if your car has a DSG or manual box.     Any confusion comes from lost on Translation which is a VW group think.  German to Czech to Spanish to English or US English.  Then them using different names over the past 12 years for things like hill hold assist / hill hold control. Then people not reading the manual for their particular vehicle.  Still lost in translation sadly. 

 

It is manual. To answer any potential questions, the Autobrake button os next to the parking brake button. When you come to a halt, as long as the car is in neutral and the clutch is up, the brake comes on and the parking brake icon comes on on the dash. Youi can hear it disengage when you move off. Autohold just holds the car on a hill by not releasing the pressure in the brake lines, assuming the system recognises the car is on a slope and the abs rings are not rotating. For clarity again my car has both Autobrake and Autohold. Oh, also it does state my car is a manual in the signature at the bottom.

Skoda don't have a great track record of the terms and titles they've used for their vehicle features over the years.

 

My 2008 Octavia Scout had a feature that at the time was called 'Uphill Start Assist', if pulling up to a stop on a slight gradient when releasing the foot brake the front brakes would hold themselves for a couple of seconds to make a hill start with a manual gearbox easier. There were no buttons to turn it on or off, or any lights on the dash to tell the driver is was active or not...

 

 

Skoda often used terms such as 'Hill Hold' or 'Hill Hold Control' i.e. different terminology as to what was sometimes referenced in their owners manuals.

 

'Hill Hold Control' is available on the Karoq (link below) and Kodiaq, however it is referenced as Hill Start Assist in some owners manuals...

 

https://www.skoda-storyboard.com/en/karoq_car_snow_hill-jpg/

 

 

'Hill Start Assist' is a separate feature to 'Auto Hold'...

 

 

 

...which is again separate to the 'Electric Parking Brake'...

 

 

So essentially three systems:

 

- Hill Hold Assist

- Auto Hold

- Electric Parking Brake

 

The first two utilise the ABS pump (or similar) to hold the foot / front brakes, the third an electronic motor to engage the rear brakes.

 

 

Edited 4 January, 20224 yr by silver1011

@Routemaster1461

signatures at bottom not visible when on a phone, well not mine.

Sorry but 'autobrake'  is not a term i am familiar with when referring to e-brakes/ parking brakes.

 

Autobrake is something i have on my car and others, but that is with Front Assist so another thing altogether. 

'Automatic post collision braking system' as VW called it at some point.  Translations & systems is an issue here.  

I think we're over-complicating this!

It has 2 systems - the electric parking brake and the one that uses the hydraulic brake.  The latter can be enabled or disabled using the button by the gear lever.  I agree that the terminology is constantly changing, and different manufacturers have their own names for the same systems, but essentially, those are the only two.

 

The electric parking brake is a legal requirement (for those asking why it is necessary at all).  The regs demand a mechanical system (i.e. not one that relies on hydraulics) that is completely independent of the hydraulic system.  In an emergency, you also have to be able to stop the car using the parking brake alone.  (This is done by pulling the switch and holding it).

 

The autohold / hillhold / uphill start assist, is the one that works on the ABS system retaining the hydraulic pressure from when the footbrake was last applied.  Different manufacturers have different whistles and bells on it, but it's basically the same system.  I think most of them use the accelerometer in the airbag and  / or ESC module to tell when the car is on a slope.

Just now, Avocet said:

I think we're over-complicating this!

It has 2 systems - the electric parking brake and the one that uses the hydraulic brake.  The latter can be enabled or disabled using the button by the gear lever.  I agree that the terminology is constantly changing, and different manufacturers have their own names for the same systems, but essentially, those are the only two.

 

The electric parking brake is a legal requirement (for those asking why it is necessary at all).  The regs demand a mechanical system (i.e. not one that relies on hydraulics) that is completely independent of the hydraulic system.  In an emergency, you also have to be able to stop the car using the parking brake alone.  (This is done by pulling the switch and holding it).

 

The autohold / hillhold / uphill start assist, is the one that works on the ABS system retaining the hydraulic pressure from when the footbrake was last applied.  Different manufacturers have different whistles and bells on it, but it's basically the same system.  I think most of them use the accelerometer in the airbag and  / or ESC module to tell when the car is on a slope.

 

I don't think we are overcomplicating it. There are the two different systems, the electric parking brake and the hydraulic brake, but the hydraulic brake does have two functions. You are correct that you can disable what Skoda calls the Autobrake using the button, but it doesn't disable the 'Hill hold' function. The hydraulic Autobrake will apply and hold the car indefinitely and applies whether the car is on a slope or on the flat. The Hill function will only apply the brakes on an upslope and will only cold for about 2 seconds,

@Routemaster1461You are calling it the Autobrake. 

 Where do you see Skoda calling it that?   it is 'Auto-hold'.

 

The Manuals and videos are on the function which is Auto-hold, and the on / off button to enable or disable the Auto-Hold function has Autohold on it.

Introducing another name for it does confuse the easily confused.  

 

 

Edited 7 January, 20224 yr by roottoot

I apologise for that. It's just I seem to recall the salesman calling it that. But the fact remains that Autohold and Hill Hold (checked that in the handbook) are two different functions, one of which can be selected and the other is always on.

Edited 7 January, 20224 yr by Routemaster1461

On 04/01/2022 at 11:06, roottoot said:

...Then people not reading the manual for their particular vehicle....

These days car manuals are increasingly unreadable; maybe 80% is country or option specific, and working out what does/doesn't apply to your model can be really tricky, particularly if you're not the original owner.

Rather than a generic paper manual, it should be possible to compile a custom PDF  which only includes features on your car, based on the VIN.

We are posting in English and reading manuals in English,

if others are finding the ENGLISH terms in Owners Manuals difficult then tell SKODA UK who import the cars. 

 

Skoda UK can not even sort out Configurators and the Sales People in Dealerships might not even know the correct name of features or functions and have little knowledge of the product so there are often issue.

They do not even know sometimes as they order or sell vehicles what is what.

The scary thing is they drive the vehicles for 3 months / 3,000 miles before selling Ex Management cars and still can not vocalise to a new owner how things can work, do work or how you can choose to have functioning.

Edited 7 January, 20224 yr by roottoot

On 03/01/2022 at 23:10, Routemaster1461 said:

My Karoq has an autobrake, sothe brakes are applied whenever the car stops. I can't see any need to apply the brake manually if you have it.

 

Courtesy to those behind you at traffic lights etc during darkness especially if it is raining as well.

3 hours ago, Avocet said:

I think we're over-complicating this!

 

Or, you're over simplifying it.

 

There may well be two 'systems' (hydraulic and electrically actuated), but from these two systems Skoda have derived three features, exactly as I'd posted earlier...

 

- Hill Hold Assist / Hill Start Assist

- Auto Hold

- Electric Parking Brake

 

Hill Hold/Start Assist and Auto Hold operate differently.

 

The main reason for confusion (as demonstrated here) is the way they're labelled / titled, not helped by Skoda themselves.

14 hours ago, Routemaster1461 said:

 

I don't think we are overcomplicating it. There are the two different systems, the electric parking brake and the hydraulic brake, but the hydraulic brake does have two functions. You are correct that you can disable what Skoda calls the Autobrake using the button, but it doesn't disable the 'Hill hold' function. The hydraulic Autobrake will apply and hold the car indefinitely and applies whether the car is on a slope or on the flat. The Hill function will only apply the brakes on an upslope and will only cold for about 2 seconds,

Yes, but the hill hold and the one you call autobrake are the same system, it's just that when you press the button it will hold the car for up to 10 minutes and when you don't, it holds the car for a couple of seconds.

10 hours ago, roottoot said:

We are posting in English and reading manuals in English,

if others are finding the ENGLISH terms in Owners Manuals difficult then tell SKODA UK who import the cars. 

 

Skoda UK can not even sort out Configurators and the Sales People in Dealerships might not even know the correct name of features or functions and have little knowledge of the product so there are often issue.

They do not even know sometimes as they order or sell vehicles what is what.

The scary thing is they drive the vehicles for 3 months / 3,000 miles before selling Ex Management cars and still can not vocalise to a new owner how things can work, do work or how you can choose to have functioning.

It took us a couple of months to convince our dealer that there was a fault with the car.  Initially, they didn't even believe the car was fitted with that function.  They were utterly clueless as to how their own cars worked.

10 hours ago, silver1011 said:

 

Or, you're over simplifying it.

 

There may well be two 'systems' (hydraulic and electrically actuated), but from these two systems Skoda have derived three features, exactly as I'd posted earlier...

 

- Hill Hold Assist / Hill Start Assist

- Auto Hold

- Electric Parking Brake

 

Hill Hold/Start Assist and Auto Hold operate differently.

 

The main reason for confusion (as demonstrated here) is the way they're labelled / titled, not helped by Skoda themselves.

Yes but two of them are pretty much the same thing, just longer duration!  (And it's not Skoda - or even VW who develop these, it's usually a 2nd tier supplier like Bosch).  You then get different manufacturers buying the technology and giving it their own fancy name to try and make it look like their own.  Hill hold is just auto hold with a shorter duration.