I noticed on carsales the 2019 Golf R is described as Direct and Multi-Point fuel injection.

 

The 206 Sportsline is described as Direct Injection.

 

The AUS Skoda is only 4 injectors not 8?

My understanding is that they share essentially the same engine: Direct and Multi-Point injection (ie. both Golf R and 206 Sportline share the EA888 Gen 3). I believe the EA888 Gen 1 and Gen 2 engines were Direct Injection only, and which caused plenty of carbon build-up problems, and were discontinued by time the Golf Mk 7/Superb Mk III arrived in 2015.

Well, actually 2019 Golf R only has direct injection, while Superb 206 has both direct and multi-point injection. 

 

MK7 Golf R use CJX, basically same as Superb 206. 

MK7.5 Golf R use DJH, which only has direct injection.

CHHB which is the 220 tsi uses direct and manifold injection 

 

 

 

I think this covers it . CJX has MPI apparently.

 

 

I'll have a look under the engine cover if it stops raining to see if it has the port injectors.

 

 

Aus delivered MY21 206 Superb Sportline has the CJX engine (just had a look at the plate on the side of my engine). So Multi-Point Injection.

I believe the retention of MPI is exclusive to AUS cars, eveywhere else it's gone and not come back.

MY21 even 206 maybe do not have MPI, even in Aus.

Here in Serbia I see it in the pricelist, it is not 272 anymore, it is 280, but I think they did not included MPI again. 272 did not had MPI.

 

Maybe in other markets Skoda has reverted to DI engines, but the the Aus-spec 206 engines continue with the CJX version with MPI. Attached is the placard on the side of my MY21 Engine.

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It is easier to take a picture of the engine, to know if there is MPI or not.

I think, but I am not sure, that CJX does not mean it is with MPI.

1 hour ago, Bingodalton said:

I think, but I am not sure, that CJX does not mean it is with MPI.

 

Engine code tells everything.

 

Engine code of 272 is DNU, no MPI.

New 280 engine code should be DNF, no MPI as well.

Both of them pair with 7 speed DSG, and have GPF.

While CJX, has both direct injection and mpi, pairs with 6sp DQ250, and works without GPF. That's the engine and transmission Australian received in their Superb Sportlines.

 

"Australia is at a risk of becoming an 'automotive third world'", that's one of the VW local spokeman in Australia claimed. Australia is still under EURO 5 emission regulation, so VW basically dumping all the dated engines into OZ market to cut cost. 

 

7 minutes ago, elfensin said:

 

Engine code tells everything.

 

Engine code of 272 is DNU, no MPI.

New 280 engine code should be DNF, no MPI as well.

Both of them pair with 7 speed DSG, and have GPF.

While CJX, has both direct injection and mpi, pairs with 6sp DQ250, and works without GPF. That's the engine and transmission Australian received in their Superb Sportlines.

 

"Australia is at a risk of becoming an 'automotive third world'", that's one of the VW local spokeman in Australia claimed. Australia is still under EURO 5 emission regulation, so VW basically dumping all the dated engines into OZ market to cut cost. 

 

 

Yep, that's essentially the situation here. Australia has not mandated full Euro 6 compliance until 2024, so Skoda has elected to use up remaining CJX engines for the Aus market until then (paired with DQ250 DSG). Perfect I say!

So what's interesting in the back of my MY21 user manual, is that there are performance figures for the non-Euro 6 engines (ie. the CJX fitted to my vehicle) which show increased torque and acceleration compared to the Euro 6 compliant 206KW versions in other markets.

We’ve always brought in emissions standards a number of years after Europe and Japan. That’s been the case from at least the 80s.

I’m not sure the claim that China is euro 6 compliant is based on any reality. I think they say they are targeting which is not really the same. The Chinese say one thing and do the complete opposite because it suits them in the perverse CCP way. The Chinese are on the UN Human Rights Commission….. but that doesn’t stop them raping and torturing their own citizens.

34 minutes ago, Legion said:

I’m not sure the claim that China is euro 6 compliant is based on any reality. I think they say they are targeting which is not really the same. The Chinese say one thing and do the complete opposite because it suits them in the perverse CCP way. The Chinese are on the UN Human Rights Commission….. but that doesn’t stop them raping and torturing their own citizens.

 

China is under the regulation called Chinese National Standard 6b, which is even tighter than euro 6d. Most of new cars sold in China now, especially turbocharged cars, come with GPF. And some performance cars are detuned for Chinese market to suit the emission regulation. Sound familiar for aussies right? But here they are detuned to suit our sucked fuel quality. 

On top of emission regulation, China also has credit system for carbon emission too. Basically a manufactory sells more high pollution cars (which means traditional ICE cars), it losts more credits. A manufactory sells more EVs, or hybrid cars, it gains more credits. Credits are transferable between manufactories, market price at around 3000CNY per point.  I believe the EU has the similar system for car manufactories.

 

Sounds good for environment, but it is not a good news for car enthusiasts in China. V8s are barely seen on Chinese roads, even 6 pots are not common at all. Most mainstream brands do not offer high performance cars in China too. For example there is no Superb 206/280 in China, the highest output Superb is the 162/220, same situation for Passat, Arteon as well.

 

Basically, China puts all its bets on EVs. 

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That’s not what Chinas doing. It putting up barriers for foreign manufacturers but it will not enforce it on the domestic manufacturers which the CCP owns. They are communists. They own everything. As the founder of Alibaba found out. They want to export electric vehicles (they can’t compete against ice). And they have all of elons technology so at some point they’ll get rid of Elon.

 

And they don’t detune our cars because of fuel quality. That’s a myth put about by greenies. They detune our cars because we thrash them in temperatures up to 48 degrees in the shade with the aircon on full bore. For some reason they don’t trust us.

In North America VW Group have engines tuned to suit fuel.

 

What is nice is that in North America or Canada and  other world regions like Australia you can have a new 1.4 TSI with an 8 speed torque converter engine. 

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10 hours ago, Legion said:

That’s not what Chinas doing. It putting up barriers for foreign manufacturers but it will not enforce it on the domestic manufacturers which the CCP owns. They are communists. They own everything.

 

Not really. Controled by CCP doesn't mean China is a communist country. It is one of the most common mistakes a man know nothing about China can make. Since it's a car forum here, it has been far off the topic, I'm going to stop here.

 

11 hours ago, Legion said:

They want to export electric vehicles (they can’t compete against ice). And they have all of elons technology so at some point they’ll get rid of Elon.

 

That's right, Chinese can't compete against ICE. However if you dig into more, you could know the barrier for Chinese car manufactories are transmissions, not engines. 

 

Hmmmm.

 

China isn’t communist?

 

Thats the kind of bull**** I’d expect from their foreign ministry.