Dear Skodians, i have Brembo drilled disks and Brembo brake pads in my Felicia and since this combination has shown signs of wear in few months i will need a new set.

While searching i saw that an EBC shop:

https://www.ebcbrakeshop.co.uk/info-brake-parts?range=Kit|Pad|Shoe|OE-Replacement&make=SKODA&year=2000&model=Felicia&engineSelect=1.3&engine=1.3&bhp=

Suggests the EBC OE-Replacement Brake Discs D808 which are these:

 

 

Direct OE replacement

Diameter : 236 mm

Thickness : 13 mm

Total height : 46 mm

4 holes

 

Here we refer to them as ''Vented''.

 

I wonder do these discs fit to my stock calipers or not? There must be a modification or a patent?

Is there a real benefit (for an every day driver) from this kind of discs compared to others as the drilled or the stock?

 

The other option is the stock-look

https://static1.sidovski.com/pol_pl_D808-Tarcze-hamulcowe-Premium-Gladkie-Para-EBC-Brakes-SKODA-Felicia-SKODA-COMMERCIAL-Favorit-Foreman-Felicia-Pick-Up-22297_1.jpg

 

 

but i have some other options if it's ''like the stock" from Ferodo etc.

Vented discs are designed to dissipate heat better than solid discs. As are drilled and / or grooved discs. 
 

Whether they fit your car or not I can’t answer. However, my guess would be that as the vented discs will be deeper than the solid discs I suspect they won’t without a change of calliper and carriers? 
 

Hopefully, someone more knowledgeable on your setup will come along soon enough. 

31 minutes ago, jars said:

As are drilled and / or grooved discs.

 

Another controversial thing, some say the B help better than A on water film removing while braking, the A say no we do, the B say the A may broke on intensive use, the A say no we remove heat better than B and so on. 😁

One mechanic here said will not fit and must find calipers from another model, risky job extra cost etc.

On 28/04/2022 at 11:15, D.FYLAKTOS said:

Direct OE replacement

Diameter : 236 mm

Thickness : 13 mm

Total height : 46 mm

4 holes

 

I cannot imagine 13mm thick vented discs. They are usually around 20mm thick. The picture is just some stock photo, I doubt it shows the actual disc.

22 minutes ago, Papez said:

 

I cannot imagine 13mm thick vented discs. They are usually around 20mm thick. The picture is just some stock photo, I doubt it shows the actual disc.

 

Maybe it's 13mm each plus the gap means 29mm or so that's why one mechanic said "they won't fit".

Almost every shop has the same style, in EBC Greece (for discs only) they shown these:

 

 

 

Edited 29 April, 20224 yr by D.FYLAKTOS

https://id-workz.co.uk/ebc-premium-plain-front-brake-discs-d808/

 

 

https://en.bsr.se/product/brake-discs-ebc-standard-218d808

 

Disc: Solid
Total holes: 4
Diameter: 236mm
Height: 46mm
Thickness (new/min): 13mm/11mm
Includes discs for left and right side

_______________

 

I am confused.

It’s a photo that does not appear to represent what you’re buying as the text states “solid disc” which the picture is not… the disc shown in the pic is 100% a vented disc.
 

See the below …. The left disc is a solid one, which sounds like you need, but the one on the right is a vented disc, which won’t fit your brake system 

… ignore all the word and prices, just look at the actual discs shown 😛 

 

https://www.gsfcarparts.com/za020831

 

Vented, 236mm (as mine) and brake disc thickness 18mm.

Am i lucky? 🤓

Are you taking your car on the track then or adding a lot of extra weight or towing something very heavy, is there a reason why standard brakes are no longer good enough?

 

We have been around the spare parts databases' errors, omissions and confusions before so I won't repeat all that again.

 

Brembo are a brand name that used to make/supply good brakes parts but that stopped being reliable or consistent a few years back.

 

EBC is a very local, family run company, in the town I live in, my mate used to know the 'dad' in the 1960s, motorsports had less multi-millionaire prima donnas owners, builders racers and those in the business back then.   Neither my mate or I have ever used their products, that is not to say the products are bad just neither of us have had the need.  Have a look on their website and contact them if you have queries. - https://ebcbrakesdirect.com/automotive/skoda/felicia/eng/1.3/yft/2001

 

Drilled and grooved discs are often more of a fashion choice than practical choice, I remember someone telling me, or seen somewhere, that a groove in the brake pads might be useful, which some have.

 

As I knew someone 20 years back that was a director for Pagid UK I have had Pagid Performance brakes on a (road only) British sports car because he fitted them but the Germans made him 'redundant' and Pagid became part of TMD Friction Group who also own Textar, Mintex, Don, Cobreq, nisshinbo, and Bendix.

 

Last year I put standard Pagid front discs and  pads on my wife's 2015 Fabia Mk3 and they seem fine and were an improvement over the worn, I assume, factory fitted items. - https://www.eurocarparts.com/brake-discs

 

The tyres are of course a vital part of the braking system and if you 'upgrade' the front brakes then you will also need to 'upgrade' the rear brakes to keep the balance otherwise the overall braking may not improve just the front wheels doing more of the work so two wheel/tyres instead of all four wheels/tyres working equally at stopping.

 

Edited 30 April, 20224 yr by nta16

On 30/04/2022 at 22:45, nta16 said:

Brembo are a brand name that used to make/supply good brakes parts but that stopped being reliable or consistent a few years back.

 

So you don't suggest to buy brembo discs next time?

Any thoughts about Zimmermann?

2 hours ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

So you don't suggest to buy brembo discs next time?

I do not know, when I was looking at buying Brembo discs a few years back I was told by a reliable source that at that time the Brembo discs were of unreliable quality but they might be fine now - however do not buy them because you heard that Brembo were good at one time, bit like "German engineering quality" as we know it is not always good quality!

 

Check with recent purchasers or those that know do not just go on former glory.

 

Sorry I do not know Zimmermann.

 

11 hours ago, nta16 said:

 bit like "German engineering quality" as we know it is not always good quality!

 

Zimmermann are German too, thus i hesitate.

 

 

57 minutes ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

Zimmermann are German too, thus i hesitate

I suppose it depends where they have the discs made, if in Germany they might be good, Poland perhaps good or perhaps not, China less likely to be good I would imagine.

 

Different brand names are sold and appeal to different geographical markets hence companies producing parts made and sold under different company brand names, such as TMD Friction (a Nisshimbo Group company). - https://tmdfriction.com/

 

2 hours ago, nta16 said:

 

 

Different brand names are sold and appeal to different geographical markets hence companies producing parts made and sold under different company brand names

 

 

For decades the Bosch Household appliances (washing machine, refrigerator, etc.) were made by a local company PITSOS but many people thought that they were manufactured 100% in Germany.

 

As for vented discs i will ask some other repair shops next week IF a pair of 20mm can fit in my stock calipers or the whole project does not worth the effort, it's a pity that when i had the money i didn't had the opportunity to search for a 4 piston calipers.

As I remember it at one time there was only a couple of factories in Europe that made many of the brand names products, bit like LG with screens before they promoted their own brand.

 

Vented discs do serve a purpose but if you can't have them then upgrade pads and good quality tyres help, along with timely servicing and changing of parts and fluid.  If you uprate the front brakes then you will also need to keep the rear brakes in balance which if drums means better shoes friction material, but that also brings heat so if you upgrade too much more problems are introduced.

 

This is what Zimmermann suggest for my Felicia.

 

Brake Disc Type - Solid, Surface - Coated. Outer diameter - 236 mm, Brake Disc Thickness - 13 mm, Height - 46 mm, Rim - 4-Hole, Bolt Hole Circle Ø - 100 mm, Centering Diameter - 62 mm - if that matches what others have that is good.

 

Which of these 5 designs is the best?

 

 

 

 

The answer is not what an ordinary driver expect.

 

See my post on 7 May, many say I am not ordinary in many ways.  🙃 

Unfortunately we won’t be able to get these as vented discs only because your current setup and callipers are designed to work with these particular solid discs and not vented ones. 

The thickness between them will be slightly different which would then cause the disc to not fit through the calliper.

 

Sad news, my dream just crumbled. 

If you want vented discs, you need to get suitable Ford calipers and fitting discs. 

15 hours ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

Unfortunately we won’t be able to get these as vented discs only because your current setup and callipers are designed to work with these particular solid discs and not vented ones. 

The thickness between them will be slightly different which would then cause the disc to not fit through the calliper.

 

Sad news, my dream just crumbled. 

I suggested this would be the case back in April! 

50 minutes ago, Titanium_Man said:

I suggested this would be the case back in April! 

 

As we say here ''the Hope dies last". 😉

 

52 minutes ago, Papez said:

If you want vented discs, you need to get suitable Ford calipers and fitting discs.

 

That was the initial reaction from a mechanic, an innuendo about Ford but he didn't knew at the time which model etc.

256mm conversion is well documented. I think that some variants of Mondeo had the same calipers. But it doesn't work with 13 inch wheels.

 

Some variants of Sierra (non-ABS I think), had 238mm discs and calipers with 54mm piston, which should be the same as Felicia. But I don't know which discs can be used with that conversion