I've got a VRS 230 and I've started to get a bit fed up with how the DSG works.

 

Basically it wants to keep the engine at about 1200 RPM.   So at around 20mph it changes to 4th gear, at 40 or something it's in 6th.   Whenever you want to accelerate, it's off boost so it has to do a gear change (or two)  before it gets going.  It makes the car feel so slow compared to my old manual which just felt effortless. 😒

 

I basically want it to target RPM at say 2000 like you would when driving a manual.  S mode is too extreme for normal driving as it will often keep the RPM at around 4000.

 

Is a DSG remap the only option?

 

 

Edited 8 August, 20223 yr by ajm83

Before remapping, unless this is your ultimate goal, you could see about getting the latest gearbox SW installed.

 

Here is one example of how in a single year roughly, the same gearbox had 5x revisions for complaints.

https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/505928-no-software-update/?do=findComment&comment=5680620

 

Not every gearbox is like that, but you may find loading new SW might help.

Cost up visiting dealer/independant/remapper and decide.

 

 

Not saying new gearbox SW will cure your car, as we never get a changelog, and what you get can be vague from reading TPI's.

A pedal box may also help.  I definitely did for my tdi.  Made it more eager to change down and improved it overall.

Put it in manual and you can select pretty much whatever gear/rpm ratio that you want, within reason.

 

Gaz

15 minutes ago, varooom said:

Before remapping, unless this is your ultimate goal, you could see about getting the latest gearbox SW installed.

 

Here is one example of how in a single year roughly, the same gearbox had 5x revisions for complaints.

https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/505928-no-software-update/?do=findComment&comment=5680620

 

Not every gearbox is like that, but you may find loading new SW might help.

Cost up visiting dealer/independant/remapper and decide.

 

 

Not saying new gearbox SW will cure your car, as we never get a changelog, and what you get can be vague from reading TPI's.

 

Thanks I have a service booked for early September,  so I will ask then.  Hopefully they don't want silly money for the update(s).

 

16 minutes ago, MarkyG82 said:

A pedal box may also help.  I definitely did for my tdi.  Made it more eager to change down and improved it overall.

Thanks - Which one do you have Marky?

1 minute ago, ajm83 said:

Thanks I have a service booked for early September,  so I will ask then.  Hopefully they don't want silly money for the update(s).

You may need to push a little to get them to check, be very specific in booking in saying your gearchanges seem "off" or some such.  Ask if they can check for any new DSG software, but of course tell them you wish to be informed before they update, price first and permission!

What mode are you driving in?  Sport mode changes up at higher revs than eco or normal.

12 minutes ago, Gaz said:

Put it in manual and you can select pretty much whatever gear/rpm ratio that you want, within reason.

 

Gaz

Yeah I do that when driving for enjoyment,  but i can't be arsed on my commute. The gearbox should just do the right thing. 

 

The worst thing is that I have a long 50 limit on my commute and  whentraffic drops to 40, it keeps 6th gear with the engine @ about 1000RPM so there's just nothing when the traffic gets going again and it's really quite reluctant to change down unless you stab at the throttle.

 

8 minutes ago, varooom said:

You may need to push a little to get them to check, be very specific in booking in saying your gearchanges seem "off" or some such.  Ask if they can check for any new DSG software, but of course tell them you wish to be informed before they update, price first and permission!

Thanks mate, I will.   Do you know, are firmware updates made available to indies or just main dealers? 

Edited 8 August, 20223 yr by ajm83

1 minute ago, ajm83 said:

Do you know, are firmware updates made available to indies or just main dealers? 

The Independants should have the required software of ODIS and flash files needed, if not then it's a walk away job.

I have the same 230 and drive train in my 2018 Golf GTI.  Mine won't try and pull away in 6th at 1000rpm (and nor did my previous 220 vRS), so maybe there is something up with your DSG's basic settings.  I'd certainly look to a reset and updates, before considering a remap.

 

Gaz

A Car into a Skoda Main Dealer for servicing should be getting and Service Campaign work , TPI's or Update Enhancements carried out as part of that service.

That is why you might use a Main Dealer and pay them the money they charge including the £215 or so to service a DSG. 

Just spend the money and get a tvs engineering stage 2+ dsg map. It has a lot more features than the generic maps including life extender. True manual mode, 1st gear reactivation and increased torque limits.. it is so much different than standard. Had mine done on the 272 before engine map and it was a different car. Then had their engine software later. HUGE difference 

Just spend the money and get the DSG service first and see that all is well before doing anything more.

 

Then when the box works as it should fill your boots. 

24 minutes ago, Gaz said:

I have the same 230 and drive train in my 2018 Golf GTI.  Mine won't try and pull away in 6th at 1000rpm (and nor did my previous 220 vRS), so maybe there is something up with your DSG's basic settings.  I'd certainly look to a reset and updates, before considering a remap.

 

Gaz

 

Yeah i mean maybe it's 1100 or whatever, but very near 1K on the rev dial.  Miles off the boost threshold anyway so there's no way you could accelerate at any reasonable rate.

 

I don't think there are any faults, other than the usual DSG moans I see. It's generally smooth and fast changing.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Esseesse200 said:

Just spend the money and get a tvs engineering stage 2+ dsg map. It has a lot more features than the generic maps including life extender. True manual mode, 1st gear reactivation and increased torque limits.. it is so much different than standard. Had mine done on the 272 before engine map and it was a different car. Then had their engine software later. HUGE difference 

 

It's tempting!  TVS is the one I've been recommended a few times now so if the dealer can't sort it, i will look into it. 

 

5 hours ago, MarkyG82 said:

A pedal box may also help.  I definitely did for my tdi.  Made it more eager to change down and improved it overall.

 

Hi Marky, which pedal box do you have ? What setting do you use generally?

Edited 8 August, 20223 yr by NZ100
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Those asking about which pedal box:

 

DTUK box. Seems to be the default but there are a few others. I got it used and although they need a specific car entered on the website the pedal boxes are interchangeable. At least in my limited experience of using it on my 2.0tdi Octavia and now my Passat GTE. The guy before me had a golf gtd.

OP, I have noticed that my 2015 VRS does the same. I'm going to get mine in soon for a DSG service. I suspect the gear selected is partially done by load, if you are cruising it will drop down to save fuel and if demand is low. It doesn't annoy me but occasionally I've found myself having to press the accelerator more and accelerate more than I needed because it drops down. I agree you shouldn't have to monitor revs for regular driving.

 

I do find the box a bit dim-witted at times too, there's two areas on my commute whereby I hit a hill, the first is at 40mph and although it copes OK in 5th I like to be more prepared for the speed increase after so blip the down shift paddle to drop to 4th which keeps in 4th long enough to be able to accelerate.

 

The second is a longer hill with speedbumps, it tries to change up from 2nd to 3rd, then back down to 2nd, back up to 3rd. I might switch it to manual and see if it improves this.

 

I agree the difference between Eco and Normal is not enough and the difference between Normal and VRS mode is gigantic. Normal needs a bit more pep, maybe stay around 1800-2000 RPM. It also can't do the clutch packs any good accelerating from too low a RPM or constantly changing.

The cars 7 years old and a bit newer do not have GPS to tell them what is about to be demanded of them and they were engineered to give lower emissions when they can.  There are Euro 6 models since 2015 that some might think are better or worse.  Just wait until Euro 7 ones are out and see just how little choice the drivers have.   Nice that now you can drop a gear or 2 and get a shift on and without electrification.    The clutch packs will be just fine with the DSG. 

I had this problem with my Diesel VRS, always lugging until you put it in S then it tried to rev its tits off all the time. I put this down to it being a diesel-auto. 

Current TSI/DSG is a brilliant combination. 

First get them to check the DSG has the original programming and ask for a reset or reflash. Tell them to test drive it and make them understand what the problem is. 

Agree with all the comments ref the DSG on the TDI vRS. Changes up too soon, sluggish unless in sport and when you do drive in sport it holds the revs too high for normal driving. DSG service is due at the next service interval so I’ll be asking about the SW.

 

I don’t think it’s a fault. Could potentially be down to emissions regulations?

Well it's now been to the dealer "we can't find anything wrong sir".

 

Now here's a question, is it difficult to check/update the gearbox software? 

 

The dealers were evasive and non-committal regarding the software and versions, which leads to be believe they didn't actually bother doing the checks I asked.  Typical main dealer I suppose.

 

Tempted to stick a DSG map on it next time I've got some cash burning a hole in my pocket.  If I do i think it will be the tvs engineering stage 2+ map as recommended by a few on here 👍

@ajm83

Was that your car in for a service then?

 

What was getting done,

and was the DSG due an oil change? 

 

?
Was the Master Tech you spoke to evasive, or was that Service Desk Staff, maybe the Service Manager?

 

Sometimes you have to remind them you own the car, you pay their employer for them to work on your car and the Official Secrets Act or Data Protection does not apply.  You are customer / owner / driver, they either know or do not know, but if they will not say go ask the boss. 

They have the best Demonstrator and a desk with a view.

Edited 27 September, 20223 yr by roottoot

33 minutes ago, roottoot said:

@ajm83

Was that your car in for a service then?

 

What was getting done,

and was the DSG due an oil change? 

 

?
Was the Master Tech you spoke to evasive, or was that Service Desk Staff, maybe the Service Manager?

 

Sometimes you have to remind them you own the car, you pay their employer for them to work on your car and the Official Secrets Act or Data Protection does not apply.  You are customer / owner / driver, they either know or do not know, but if they will not say go ask the boss. 

They have the best Demonstrator and a desk with a view.

 

Car was in for a 4 year (major) service ('18 plate), I don't believe the DSG oil was due a change yet as the car only has 25K miles. 

 

The person I spoke to was the service desk person, seemed to be the only person there anyway as I was collecting at the end of the day after work.

 

I assume firmware updates aren't normally done automatically during Skoda main dealer services?

 

 

Edited 27 September, 20223 yr by ajm83

Your DSG was not due a Oil change. As a 40,000 mile schedule.

 

Software updates / enhancements are part of a Main Dealer Service if they show when the car is plugged in for the Diagnostic Check which shows as part of a service, or if there is a TPI.

Maybe the car is not plugged in, the same as Wheels are not removed, or a car is actually road tested.

 

So anyway it is not unusual that the Service Desk reception person knows nothing so can tell you nothing other than maybe about some up-selling they would like to do as they are trained to do.

 

Best use a good independent to service your vehicle. One with licensed equipment and more than ideas. Maybe even one that is a Dealer for Remapping / Tuning companies.

Often Dealership Ex Master Techs, 

 

....................................

In Green how it was.

and with some still how it is. Actually do stuff and not just look and report, or not report/

 

 

Edited 27 September, 20223 yr by roottoot