Just checking that I'm not going mad here...

 

Moving from Economy or Drive at a steady speed or on approach to junction/roundabout into Sport would almost always kickdown a gear right?

 

Feels a bit like I'm getting gaslit by a tech/service dept/Skoda suggesting that modes are just to do with throttle sensitivity mapping and upshift points, and the DSG might just need an adaptation of basic settings or to "relearn my driving style" for 500 miles and not that *it's screwed up*

 

A recent ECU/DSG emissions update seems to have made all of the DSG modes into one (except off-road - that *does* still drop down a gear if at very low revs when engaged)

 

TIA folks.

 

Edited 13 January, 20233 yr by Jono

Both my current GTI, and previous vRS (both DQ250's)  will drop a cog as I change into Sport mode to bring the revs up.  It's what I expect them to do.  

 

Our DQ200 Polo GTI also does the same.

 

Gaz

 

Yes it should drop a gear moving the shifter into S when off the accelerator, so slowing down,  or just rolling along in D and going back to S.  Perfect for winter driving as no touching the brakes.

It is how i drive any DSG, 6 or 7 speed wet clutch or 7 speed dry. 

 

It is how i boot the car sometimes, instead of a double kickdown,  back to S then down a gear then kick down.  Only if someone is up my jacksy. 

 

Maybe just ignore her about Autohold.

 

As too manual 1st and changing up. Forcing the box to.

DQ200's did this. & i used that for Sprinting, Hill Climbing, 1/4 Mile.

Car held on hand brake not brake pedal, into manual and floor it and force shifts til 4th, then a knock across to D or do manual upshifts.

This was faster than me changing, or being in S. 

Maybe no longer applicable, but it has been with wet and dry clutch over the years to save the DSG. Some do lock though and scream. 

 

 

 

 

Edited 14 January, 20233 yr by toot

From memory with my Octavia it wouldn't always shift when going into S. It depends on the revs and car speed at the time.

If I was off the gas and pulled back on the stick it might just change down earlier than D or E rather than straight away.

On 13/01/2023 at 13:58, Jono said:

 

Just checking that I'm not going mad here...

 

Moving from Economy or Drive at a steady speed or on approach to junction/roundabout into Sport would almost always kickdown a gear right?

 

Feels a bit like I'm getting gaslit by a tech/service dept/Skoda suggesting that modes are just to do with throttle sensitivity mapping and upshift points, and the DSG might just need an adaptation of basic settings or to "relearn my driving style" for 500 miles and not that *it's screwed up*

 

A recent ECU/DSG emissions update seems to have made all of the DSG modes into one (except off-road - that *does* still drop down a gear if at very low revs when engaged)

 

TIA folks.

 

 

Do you mean using the 'mode' buttons between Eco, Normal and Sport? If I engage Sport and the revs are low down it will kick down a gear automatically. Even driving in Sport and the revs drop or I select a higher gear, it will still force a gear down after a short while.

 

If I push the shifter across to manual, the revs wont kick down and it will take on whatever gear it was in. 

 

I think I saw your other post, seems like the dealer is playing silly buggers. Yes it does throttle sensitivity but I thought that was the major benefit on the DSG, was that it keeps the revs high deliberately. FYI mine was serviced in November by a Skoda Dealer and I noticed no difference (there was a debate if it had been recently serviced due to no proof) and mines a 2015 VRS TSi.

 

I hope you get it sorted.

19 hours ago, Dooge said:

 

Do you mean using the 'mode' buttons between Eco, Normal and Sport? If I engage Sport and the revs are low down it will kick down a gear automatically. Even driving in Sport and the revs drop or I select a higher gear, it will still force a gear down after a short while.

 

If I push the shifter across to manual, the revs wont kick down and it will take on whatever gear it was in. 

 

I think I saw your other post, seems like the dealer is playing silly buggers. Yes it does throttle sensitivity but I thought that was the major benefit on the DSG, was that it keeps the revs high deliberately. FYI mine was serviced in November by a Skoda Dealer and I noticed no difference (there was a debate if it had been recently serviced due to no proof) and mines a 2015 VRS TSi.

 

I hope you get it sorted.

OP is just talking about moving the shifter to the S position, not pressing the mode button. If you're slowing down then it will start dropping gears. OP say's his is not doing that, so there is a fault.

35 minutes ago, ords said:

OP is just talking about moving the shifter to the S position, not pressing the mode button. If you're slowing down then it will start dropping gears. OP say's his is not doing that, so there is a fault.

Maybe his DSG is setup differently to my VRS, I have driving modes via the mode button and then manual by pushing it to the left, either sequential or via the paddles. I assumed as he had mentioned economy mode it was to do with driving modes.

@Dooge

Does your shifter not go  P R N D S   or P R N D/S  ?

1 minute ago, toot said:

@Dooge

Does your shifter not go  P R N D S   or P R N D/S  ?

Second, D/S. Am I about to learn that I have some special function I didnt know about? 🤔

1 hour ago, Dooge said:

Maybe his DSG is setup differently to my VRS, I have driving modes via the mode button and then manual by pushing it to the left, either sequential or via the paddles. I assumed as he had mentioned economy mode it was to do with driving modes.

Mine is exactly the same, except I don't have paddles.

@ordsdo you not have the 2013 Octavia 1.6 TDI SE DSG as shows to the left, so a DQ200 7 speed DSG?

similar but different to the OP's cars DSG.  Apples and lemons. 

5 hours ago, toot said:

@ordsdo you not have the 2013 Octavia 1.6 TDI SE DSG as shows to the left, so a DQ200 7 speed DSG?

similar but different to the OP's cars DSG.  Apples and lemons. 

Yes, 1.6 TDI. 7 speed. I've confused myself as I thought they all has the same characteristics.

Thanks everyone.

 

I'm generally talking about engaging S with the gearlever. It doesn't ever prompt a kickdown, even at tickover revs to prepare for an overtake, for example.

 

Same behaviour should apply my changing the driving modes though - the only one that makes *any* difference at all now is "offroad mode" Which does hold a lower gear or drop a gear in some circumstances.

 

S mode can no longer be used to provide gentle engine braking down a hill or for more control onto a roundabout.

 

Apparently I use my gearbox "very different(ly) from the vast majority of customers" and rather than a defect, any changes could be "in the best interests of the car ... hence the update".

 

Anyway, it's going back into the dealer. Giving them the benefit of the doubt they will acknowledge a problem and fix it, else I'll be asking advice about where to go from here.

 

 

I've bought Skodas for >20 years and recruited no few friends to the brand.

 

I have to say that prevaricating about the problem rather than being candid about it, is putting my loyalty on a knife-edge.

21 hours ago, Dooge said:

Maybe his DSG is setup differently to my VRS, I have driving modes via the mode button and then manual by pushing it to the left, either sequential or via the paddles. I assumed as he had mentioned economy mode it was to do with driving modes.

The 2015 Scout and diesel VRS DSGs have the same setup, barring my lack of paddles. Depending on the "driving mode" selected via button, pulling back on the lever switches from E to S  or  D to S.

 

 

'offroad' mode, different again for those lucky to have.  Calms stuff down when selected and changes the DSG,s behaviour in that mode.  Something else for people to gen up on.   Especially Skoda Dealership sales staff.    Also anyone interested.  PS.  The clue is in the name, though there are conditions on tarred roads with snow / Ice cover and no black top where it might be selected. 

 

@19 mins.

 

 

 

 

Edited 16 January, 20233 yr by toot

35 minutes ago, Jono said:

Thanks everyone.

 

I'm generally talking about engaging S with the gearlever. It doesn't ever prompt a kickdown, even at tickover revs to prepare for an overtake, for example.

 

Same behaviour should apply my changing the driving modes though - the only one that makes *any* difference at all now is "offroad mode" Which does hold a lower gear or drop a gear in some circumstances.

 

S mode can no longer be used to provide gentle engine braking down a hill or for more control onto a roundabout.

 

Apparently I use my gearbox "very different(ly) from the vast majority of customers" and rather than a defect, any changes could be "in the best interests of the car ... hence the update".

 

Anyway, it's going back into the dealer. Giving them the benefit of the doubt they will acknowledge a problem and fix it, else I'll be asking advice about where to go from here.

 

 

I've bought Skodas for >20 years and recruited no few friends to the brand.

 

I have to say that prevaricating about the problem rather than being candid about it, is putting my loyalty on a knife-edge.

You're using the gearbox exactly as I do for engine braking. For steeper hills I move the shifter left to manual mode and flick it to select which lower gear I want.  

Edited 16 January, 20233 yr by ords

Yes, but the DQ200 is as simple as you get.  Nothing complicated, modes settings etc.  If it does not like you changing down 2 gears, road speeds, declines it can ignore you.   Some wet clutch DSG do, some do not.  Some can stand the car on its nose nearly if you ask it to go down 3 gears and it does. 

29 minutes ago, toot said:

Yes, but the DQ200 is as simple as you get.  Nothing complicated, modes settings etc.  If it does not like you changing down 2 gears, road speeds, declines it can ignore you.   Some wet clutch DSG do, some do not.  Some can stand the car on its nose nearly if you ask it to go down 3 gears and it does. 

Agree and in my case 100% trouble free. The OP has a Scout. Apart from his "off road" mode, should it behave as mine does when he selects S?

Edited 16 January, 20233 yr by ords

What the vids, even later 1.6TDI, or a 1.0 or 1.5 TSI can behave a bit different from yours.

1.6 TDI DQ200 DSG's were / are about the worst there are for reversing up slopes.

 

They change gear automatically or manually, but over the past 15 years there are modes, management of the gears and lots is to protect hashy driving.

Changing back to S shop have the car change down and retard the speed off the accelerator, but then there are circumstances / cars where it might not happen.

Try other cars and see. 

 

Different again.  Evolution.

volution.

 

 

 

Edited 16 January, 20233 yr by toot

To update you all...

 

It was back in the dealers for a "Basic adaptation of gearbox settings" so now I'm to go away again for 500 miles to see if it fixes the problem.

 

No change in the first hundred miles, I'm not hopeful.

 

It's still being suggested that I drive funny and nobody else ever engages "Sport" on the DSG to drop a gear to prepare for an overtake or for engine braking.

 

The car handbook helpfully states.

 

"In Mode S , the forward gears are shifted automatically up and down at higher engine speeds that mode D"

and

"In mode E , the forward gears are shifted automatically up and down at lower engine speeds than mode D"

 

- Except not anymore it seems...   my 3 main DSG modes are indistinguishable (Offroad mode *is* a bit different however)

 

 

The service manager tried some other DSG cars off the forecourt and suggested none of them routinely downshift if you are at low revs/high gear and engage "sport".

Sadly I don't have loads of cars sitting around to test this myself and have to rely on your anecdotal reports.

 

 

 

Edited 10 February, 20233 yr by Jono

It may be down to how he drove it. Pottering along and shifting into S won't necessarily cause a downshift. It will however cause it to more readily downshift. They need to understand the kit they are servicing. 

 

I am particularly impressed that they are still pushing the funny driving style. Shifting back and forth between modes was standard pretty much every time I got in the car.

Edited 9 February, 20233 yr by MarkyG82
Typo

They are full of guff,

The Service Manager surely drives DSG's often if he has been with a Skoda Dealership any length of time unless his perk is some manual.

The dealer principals will be a good car with a DSG as many Demonstrators the dealership has will be 2 pedal cars. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 9 February, 20233 yr by toot

On 09/02/2023 at 14:28, Jono said:

It's still being suggested that I drive funny and nobody else ever engages "Sport" on the DSG to drop a gear to prepare for an overtake or for engine braking.

I drive in "Individual" mode most of the time with the DSG mode set to Eco, so when I want to overtake on a single carriageway I flick the gearlever back to switch to Sport mode, and when the overtake is completed flick the gearlever back to switch back to Eco mode.

 

Whether it drops a gear when I change mode I have no idea as I'm then on the throttle so it could be engaging Sport mode or being on the throttle that causes the downshift(s), but I don't think it matters as the desired effect is achieved i.e. reduction in TED (Time Exposed to Danger).

Edited 11 February, 20233 yr by PetrolDave

10 minutes ago, PetrolDave said:

I drive in "Individual" mode most of the time with the DSG mode set to Eco, so when I want to overtake on a single carriageway I flick the gearlever back to switch to Sport mode, and when the overtake is completed flick the gearlever back to switch back to Eco mode.

 

Whether it drops a gear when I change mode I have no idea as I'm then on the throttle so it could be engaging Sport mode or being on the throttle that causes the downshift(s), but I don't think it matters as the desired effect is achieved i.e. reduction in TED (Time Exposed to Danger).

I'm exactly the same.

On 11/02/2023 at 10:33, PetrolDave said:

I drive in "Individual" mode most of the time with the DSG mode set to Eco, so when I want to overtake on a single carriageway I flick the gearlever back to switch to Sport mode, and when the overtake is completed flick the gearlever back to switch back to Eco mode.

 

Whether it drops a gear when I change mode I have no idea as I'm then on the throttle so it could be engaging Sport mode or being on the throttle that causes the downshift(s), but I don't think it matters as the desired effect is achieved i.e. reduction in TED (Time Exposed to Danger).

 

 

Yeah, I default to the same individual mode setup. 

 

I'd engage Sport to be in the correct gear, *before* initiating an overtake rather than pulling out, then stamping on the throttle and waiting for the DSG to get it's **** together.

 

I'm aware most drivers would be close and closing on the car in front before even pulling out, but the motorcyclist in me has long been trained out of this.

 

I'd often move to sport for engine braking and correct gear around a large roundabout for proper vehicle control.

I hate eco upshifting to 4th gear as you roll around the roundabout before dropping to 2nd or 3rd and unsettling the car as you accelerate off the roundabout.