Hi all - I'm looking at buying an (April) 2015 Rapid Spaceback SE Sport. It has done 80k miles, and the garage has changed the timing chain. I have seen issues with early 1.2TSI engines involving the chain, but it's not clear whether/when upgrades were made to later engines that still had the chain. 

 

A paid for online check says the car I'm looking to buy has the CBZB EA111 engine, which is supposed to have 8 valves, but Autotrader's check reckons it's got 16?

 

So: 

 

- do I need to worry about any chain issues with a 2015 example?

 

- is there any chance the car in question has a 16v version of the CBZB engine?

 

Thanks in advance

5 hours ago, rapidlyf said:

Hi all - I'm looking at buying an (April) 2015 Rapid Spaceback SE Sport. It has done 80k miles, and the garage has changed the timing chain. I have seen issues with early 1.2TSI engines involving the chain, but it's not clear whether/when upgrades were made to later engines that still had the chain. 

 

A paid for online check says the car I'm looking to buy has the CBZB EA111 engine, which is supposed to have 8 valves, but Autotrader's check reckons it's got 16?

 

So: 

 

- do I need to worry about any chain issues with a 2015 example?

 

- is there any chance the car in question has a 16v version of the CBZB engine?

 

Thanks in advance

 

As you can see in the chart below, CBZB is an 8 valve SOHC engine which has a chain driven camshaft. The later 1.2TSI 16v DOHC engines have belt driven camshafts.

 

Overview of engines available for the Rapid (NH3) and Rapid Spaceback (NH1).

Petrol engines

Engine designation	Production	Engine code (family)	Displacement, configuration, valvetrain, fuel system, aspiration	Motive power at rpm	max. torque at rpm	Gearbox (type), drive	Top speed	0–100 km/h [s] (0–62 mph)	Combined consumption [l/100 km / mpg imp / mpg US]	CO2 [g/km]
1.0 TSI 70 kW	2017–	–	999 ccm, I3, 12V DOHC	70 kW (95 PS; 94 hp) at 5500 rpm	160 N⋅m (118 lbf⋅ft) at 3500 rpm	5-speed manual, 7-speed automatic	187 km/h (116 mph)	11	–	–
1.0 TSI 81 kW	2017–	–	999 ccm, I3, 12V DOHC	81 kW (110 PS; 109 hp) at 5600 rpm	200 N⋅m (148 lbf⋅ft) at 3500 rpm	6-speed manual	200 km/h (124 mph)	9.8	–	–
1.2 MPI 55 kW	2012–2015	CGPC (EA111)	1198 ccm, I3, 12V DOHC, MPI, naturally aspirated	55 kW (75 PS; 74 hp) at 5400 rpm	112 Nm. (83 lb•ft) at 3750 rpm	5-speed manual (MQ200), FWD	175 km/h (109 mph)	13.9	5.8 / 48.7 / 40.6	134
1.2 TSI 63 kW	2012–2015	CBZA (EA111)	1197 ccm, I4, 8V SOHC, TSI, turbocharged	63 kW (86 PS; 85 hp) at 4800 rpm	160 Nm. (118 lb•ft) at 1500–3500 rpm	5-speed manual (MQ200), FWD	183 km/h (114 mph)	11.8	5.1 55.4 / 46.1 (4.9 / 57.6 / 48.0)*	119 (114*)
1.2 TSI 66 kW	2015–	CJZC (EA211)	1197 ccm, I4, 16V DOHC, TSI, turbocharged	66 kW (90 PS; 89 hp) at 4400 rpm	160 Nm. (118 lb•ft) at 1400–3500 rpm	5-speed manual (MQ200), FWD	186 km/h (116 mph)	11.2	4.7 60.1 / 50.1	107
1.2 TSI 77 kW	2012–2015	CBZB (EA111)	1197 ccm, I4, 8V SOHC, TSI, turbocharged	77 kW (105 PS; 103 hp) at 5000 rpm	175 Nm. (129 lb•ft) at 1550–4100	6-speed manual (MQ200), FWD	195 km/h (121 mph)	10.3	5.4 / 52.3 / 43.6 (5.0 / 56.5 / 47.0)*	125 (116*)
1.2 TSI 81 kW	2015–	CJZD (EA211)	1197 ccm, I4, 16V DOHC, TSI, turbocharged	81 kW (110 PS; 108 hp) at 4600 rpm	175 Nm. (129 lb•ft) at 1400–4000	6-speed manual (MQ200), FWD	200 km/h (124 mph)	9.8	4.9 / 57.7 / 48	110
1.4 TSI 90 KW	2012–2015	CAXA (EA111)	1390 ccm, I4, 16V DOHC, TSI, turbocharged	90 kW (122 PS; 121 hp) at 5000 rpm	200 Nm. (148 lb•ft) at 1500–4000	7-speed automatic (DQ200), FWD	206 km/h (128 mph)	9.5	5.8 / 48.7 / 40.6 (5.4 / 52.3 / 43.6)*	134 (125*)
1.4 TSI 92 KW	2015–	CZEA (EA211)	1390 ccm, I4, 16V DOHC, TSI, turbocharged	92 kW (125 PS; 123 hp) at 5000 rpm	200 Nm. (148 lb•ft) at 1400–4000	7-speed automatic (DQ200), FWD	208 km/h (129 mph)	9.0	4.8 / 58.85 / 49	114

(*) Valid for cars with so called Green tec (Start-Stop, brake energy recovery)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Škoda_Rapid_(2012)#5-door_hatchback_(Rapid_Spaceback;_NH1)

 

Edited 15 January, 20233 yr by Carlston

If it's the car on Autotrader on 79k miles in Hampshire (grey) then that's definitely shows as a 1.2TSi (105) so 16v.

Up to 2013 models with this engine have had reported chain wear/noise issues, after that i believe some improvement was made.

I have a Toledo, same engine bought new 2014 with the 16v engine. It has 32k miles on it now and runs sweet. I've found regular oil changes (Castrol Edge 5w 30 LL) is keeping things well lubed re the chain.

Also starting from cold immediately can produce a slightly prelonged chain rattle on start up. What I do is turn on the ignition and wait about 5 secs then turn the key, no rattle, correct me if I'm wrong but must be the oil getting to the top of the engine on start up, less rattle. Works for me anyway. I say regular oil changes, I do both my cars at around 5k miles approx, I'm a bit too keen on stuff like this but at around £38 per oil/filter change it's the peace of mind to keep the engine running smoothly.👍

Edited 15 January, 20233 yr by MickA

Cheers Mick! Yeah that's the exact one, confusing right? The engine is a CBZB and there's no where online that suggests it was ever upgraded to a 16v? 

 

Cheers for the advice re: the chain, from looking at forums that seems to be the best advice, regular oil changes etc and the odd dose of 98RON petrol - up until now the car has had regular oil changes by Skoda so it has been looked after.

 

It also seems like the real chain issues were pre 2011/2012 from what I've read so my mind is fairly at ease 🙏🏻 

@rapidlyfNo sellers of 98 ron in the UK, so it would be 97 or 99 ron.   But it is E5 if you think that makes any difference t the longevity.

 

Personally i would prefer that 5w 40 FS so VW 502 00 was being used, fixed service intervals  rather than long life oil that Skoda Main Dealers might have used.

The timing chains were the early ones and then there was an upgrade kit to fit.

But now near 10 year old ones can be getting noisy.  So at least a 2015 is a bit newer. 

Edited 15 January, 20233 yr by toot

Yeah I just meant super unleaded basically ( higher than 95).

 

But yeah 7 years old shouldn't be bad really, seemed spot on on the test drive too 

What is the service record showing, spark plugs changed at least twice, or recently, air filter, pollen filter, brake fluid?

Main Dealer Servicing with stuff paid for and done, not just Oil & Filter & inspections.