My Fabia has optional Clubber wheels fitted, size 215/40/17. The car didn’t come with a spare. It came with inflator and sealant. I would like to buy a spare wheel as I don’t like the sealant. Please can you assist with the correct size I need to buy. Thanks 

You could buy a like for like wheel in steel or alloy and have a matching tyre size and it will fit in the spare tyre well, but the floot might be up a bit, or get the Temporary Spare you need, 

which is often discussed.  You decide.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/451389-spare-wheel-conundrum

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/482789-spare-wheel

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/469360-spare-wheel-size

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/497568-spare-wheel-jack-polystyrene-tray

 

7 minutes ago, toot said:

You could buy a like for like wheel in steel or alloy and have a matching tyre size and it will fit in the spare tyre well, but the floot might be up a bit, or get the Temporary Spare you need, 

which is often discussed.  You decide.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/451389-spare-wheel-conundrum

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/482789-spare-wheel

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/469360-spare-wheel-size

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/497568-spare-wheel-jack-polystyrene-tray

 

Hi Toots. Someone has a 195/65/15 skoda alloy and tyre to sell. I only want to use as a temp if car gets puncture. Then I need to buy a jack and wheel nut wrench. 

No use. Too big.

 Even if the wheels PDC is 5 x100

 

http://tiresize.com/tyre-size-calculator

 

 

4 minutes ago, toot said:

No use. Too big.

 Even if the wheels PDC is 5 x100

 

http://tiresize.com/tyre-size-calculator

 

 

This is on eBay. Exact size. But would it fit flat with no hump on boot carpet. 
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/125499464211?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=xGRSsTRrRme&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=YBFG4R6_SAC&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
 

Also what do I need to do with the calculator? Yes I can put my tyre size in, but what information am I getting out? 

Just now, Andy Cope said:

This is on eBay. Exact size. But would it fit flat with no hump on boot carpet. 
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/125499464211?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=xGRSsTRrRme&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=YBFG4R6_SAC&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
 

Also what do I need to do with the calculator? Yes I can put my tyre size in, but what information am I getting out? 

What I want to know. If I font buy the same size as whst is on the car. What size do I buy as a temp? Or a space saver size if necessary. 

A 195/55 R 15 for a 215/40 R 17 suits pretty well.  or a 185/60 R 15 

 

The size that cars with a spare get from the factory. 

185/60R15 on a 6Jx15 ET38 rim is a standard Fabia MK3 size.

 

6Jx15 ET38 5/100 57.1 steel rim

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rims/details?vehicleId=800108564218651748&rimCode=ALCAR7760

 

6Jx16 ET35 5/100 57.1 steel rim

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rims/details?vehicleId=1206402299938436196&rimCode=ALCAR6664

 

195/50R16 has a similar outside diameter to the standard Fabia MK3 tyre sizes, and could be used on a 6Jx16 ET35 rim from the Scala/Kamiq.

 

The 195/55R15 is not a Fabia MK3 size. 195/55R15 has an outside diameter 1.4% smaller than 215/40R17. However, it could be used as a spare but 185/60R15 has a closer outside diameter to the standard Fabia MK3 tyre sizes.

 

Edited 8 February, 20233 yr by Carlston

Please note - I am not a mechanic or expert in anything.

 

On 08/02/2023 at 20:40, Andy Cope said:

Also what do I need to do with the calculator? Yes I can put my tyre size in, but what information am I getting out? 

 

Click on the 'Tyre Comparison' tab and you can enter the tyres size fitted to your car (as 'Size 1') and then enter a second tyre size to see differences.

 

Very silly oversized imo 215/40 r17 tyre (and wheel) is just about spot on the same turning size as a 185/60 r15 (and nearer than the 195/55 r15 is).

 

ETA: Not as a spare wheel for this car but generally subject to brake size.  A 14" wheel would be fine on a Fabia but the fashion for decades has been to have a lot higher and wider wheels than required and with with lower profile tyres than required and now many owners are finding on our third-world roads that dropping a size can give practical benefits whilst retaining some fashion appeal.

 

Edited 10 February, 20233 yr by nta16
ETA:

215/40 R17 more sensible than the 205/40 R 17 that MK2 vRS and Monte Carlo got while the Polo, Ibiza and A1 sister cars got the 215/ 40 R17,s.  If you opted for a spare you got the 195/ 55 R15. 

Edited 8 February, 20233 yr by toot

9 minutes ago, toot said:

215/40 R17 more sensible than the 205/40 R 17 that MK2 vRS and Monte Carlo got while the Polo, Ibiza and A1 sister cars got the 215/ 40 R17,s.  If you opted for a spare you got the 195/ 55 R15. 

 

The Fabia MK2 was based on the PQ24 platform just like the Fabia MK1.

 

The Polo, Ibiza, and A1 that used the bigger 215/40R17 tyre size were based on the later PQ25 platform.

So what.  The cars were 2009-2014 as 1.4 TSI / TFS1 twin chargers.  Same engines / DSG gearboxes.  The Fabia hatch lighter but had ballast weights put on to have it heavier than the longer estate.  Same spare wheel used regardless of if it was the VW, Seat, Skoda or Audi twincharger. 

Please note - I am not a mechanic or expert in anything.

 

@toot we agree on most things but the fashion for oversized wheels and tyres and we drift apart. 😄 It's different strokes for different folks.

 

Please note - I am not a mechanic or expert in anything.

 

Whichever different sized spare wheel and tyre is chosen it should be used with caution with the three other full-sized wheels and tyres, a get you home or to the garage or tyre place only, below 50 mph - though I'd not got that fast (or carry or use a space-saver type but that's another contentious personal view of mine. 😁

 

ETA: my wife's 1.2 TSI (90) runs on four 185/60r15 factory sized tyres.

Edited 9 February, 20233 yr by nta16
ETA:

14 hours ago, toot said:

A 195/55 R 15 for a 215/40 R 17 suits pretty well.  or a 185/60 R 15 

 

The size that cars with a spare get from the factory. 

Hi, thanks for assistance yesterday about tyres for Fabia. Same question but for our Passat Alltrack 2017. Car also didn’t come with spare wheel. It runs on 245/40/19 optional Albertville wheels. I had the same car before this one but it ran on 245/45/18. That did have a spare which was same size. Our car is the 190hp DSG. I have attached a wheel size link.

I think latter tyre on an 18 would be fine as a spare? Let me know what you think? Cheers Andy 
 

Albertville are 8J X 19H2 ET41 for reference

 

Someone will check this, but this should be the full size steel you need.

Please note - I am not a mechanic or expert in anything.

 

32 minutes ago, Andy Cope said:

I have attached a wheel size link.

Andy, just to let you know the link is missing from your post.

@nta16 low profile tyres can be pure crap so no disagreement with that.  But people buy or lease or use a car and they come with what they have.  Not everyone is going to replace 4 or 5 wheels and tyres because they might be better with more sidewall. 

Edited 9 February, 20233 yr by toot

Please note - I am not a mechanic or expert in anything.

 

10 minutes ago, toot said:

Not everyone is going to replace 4 or 5 wheels and tyres because they might be better with more sidewall. 

No certainly not and many might be very happy with them, just if you're aware of it you can give it the consideration you want to if you want to, before buying the car or specifying the make up of a new car or swapping smaller wheels for larger wheels (to fill the wheel arch more).  Just about all vehicles are a fashion decision to a greater or lesser extent.

 

If you only know of oversized wheels then they don't seem oversized and you accept them and perhaps go for bigger must be better and keep up with Audi-Jones and think very low-profile tyres with their problems are just low profile tyres and accept the issues.

 

But it's all pretty insignificant in the general overall vehicle ownership.  😄 

4 hours ago, nta16 said:

Please note - I am not a mechanic or expert in anything.

 

Andy, just to let you know the link is missing from your post.

I couldn’t attached it from safari? 

https://www.wheel-size.com/size/volkswagen/passat-alltrack/2017/#trim-b8-2016-2019-20-tdi--188

6 hours ago, Andy Cope said:

Hi, thanks for assistance yesterday about tyres for Fabia. Same question but for our Passat Alltrack 2017. Car also didn’t come with spare wheel. It runs on 245/40/19 optional Albertville wheels. I had the same car before this one but it ran on 245/45/18. That did have a spare which was same size. Our car is the 190hp DSG. I have attached a wheel size link.

I think latter tyre on an 18 would be fine as a spare? Let me know what you think? Cheers Andy

 

The two wheel drive 2WD Passat B8 cars use the same selection of wheels (tyre sizes and rim specifications) as the Superb MK3 cars.

 

However, the Passat Alltrack cars are four wheel drive 4x4, and use slightly bigger tyres, ie. 225/55R17, 245/45R18, 245/40R19 on slightly wider rims and usually with slightly less offset, ie. 8Jx17 ET41, 8Jx18 ET41, 8Jx19 ET41. The 8J rims for those 18" and 19" tyre sizes make sense with their 245/45R18 and 245/40R19 tyre sizes, but an 8J rim for a 225/55R17 tyre seems about 1" too wide (still legal though).

 

wheel-size.com don't list any 16" wheels for the Passat Alltrack, the smallest being 17".

 

On the Superb MK3, even the standard and narrowest 215/60R16 fitted to the standard 6.5Jx16 ET41 rim doesn't quite fit flush in the spare wheel well. Probably about 6mm too wide. But if you fit this 215/60R16 tyre size to a slightly narrower 6Jx16 ET43 rim (from the Karoq) it should fit flush. This is because the "215" in 215/60R16 is the nominal width and not the actual width of the tyre, ie. measured from the outside of one sidewall to the outside of the other sidewall, when the tyre is inflated. Many people incorrectly think that "215" is always the actual width, but this is not the case, as the actual width of any tyre is always dependent on the rim width that the tyre is fitted to. You can see this clearly on the Toyo website, who are one of the few tyre manufacturers to list the actual width of the tyres, although do bear in mind that they make lots of mistakes in their listings.

 

As you can see in the Toyo chart below, Toyo list their 215/60R16 tyre size as having an actual width of 221mm when fitted to a 6.5J rim. However, if you were to fit this same tyre size to a narrower 6J rim (eg. a Karoq 6Jx16 ET43 rim) it would have an actual width of about 215mm, ie. it would have narrowed by about 6mm...and if you were to fit this same tyre size to a wider 7J rim (eg. a Yeti 7Jx16 ET45 rim) it would have an actual width of about 227mm, ie. it would have widened by about 6mm.

 

I first came across this effect many years ago. I purchased eight identical tyres. Four had been fitted to 5J rims, and the other four had been fitted to 6J rims. I stacked them up next to each other with the four tyres on the 5J rims in one stack, and the other four tyres on the 6J rims in the other stack. The stack of four tyres fitted to the 6J rims was about 2" higher than the stack of four tyres fitted to the 5J rims. So this effect really does happen. This means that each tyre fitted to a 6J rim is about 0.5" (about 12mm) wider than each tyre fitted to a 5J rim.

 

In the below Toyo chart, I've included some actual tyre width information on both 215/60R16 and 215/60R17 tyre sizes, so that you can see that the actual width isn't affected by the tyre diameter, but just the nominal tyre width, the aspect ratio, and the rim width. This is useful to know, because Toyo often makes mistakes with their tyre width information, so being able to look at another tyre with the same specification except for the tyre diameter is very useful.

 

Example of Toyo tyre width information

PROXES CF2

Proxes CF2 has been created to take advantage of the latest materials, structures and tread pattern design in order to guarantee a high level of safety, durability, savings, and comfort.

	Tire Size	Tread Depth (mm)	Overall Diameter (mm)	Overall Width (mm)	Approved Rim Width Range (inch)
	215/60 R16 99V XL	8.7	664	221	6.0-6.5-7.5
	215/60 R16 95H	8.7	664	221	6.0-6.5-7.5
	215/60 R16 99H XL	8.7	664	221	6.0-6.5-7.5

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	Tire Size	Tread Depth (mm)	Overall Diameter (mm)	Overall Width (mm)	Approved Rim Width Range (inch)
	215/60 R17 96H	8	690	221	6.0-6.5-7.5
	215/60 R17 96V	8	690	221	6.0-6.5-7.5

https://www.toyo.co.uk/tirefinder/index/width/215/aspect/60/rim/16

 

If you want to use a full size steel rim as a spare, then there's much less choice of sizes in the larger sizes compared to alloy rims. However, this situation has been improving slightly over the years.

 

Although 16" rims aren't standard on the Alltrack, it does have 312mm front discs on the 2.0TDI 190HP model so 16" rims would clear the front brake calipers.

 

oponeo.pl is a good website for finding out what steel rims are available. However, they don't ship to the UK. mytyres also sell steel rims, but you have to search by the car that they fit, so it's not a good website for finding out about all the steel rim specifications that are available.

 

Using oponeo.pl you will become an expert on the specification of steel rims and what is available.

 

When searching for available steel rim specification on oponeo, one top tip is to just search for Alcar rims (ie. use the filter), this cuts out having to search through the same rim specifications of multiple brands.

 

With the advent of electric cars, some big steel rims used on various VAG cars have become available.

 

Some big steel rims

Alcar 9383

8Jx18 ET45 5/112 57.1 (from VW iD.4)

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rims/details?vehicleId=1314745426959668336&rimCode=ALCAR9383

Alcar 9393

8Jx19 ET45 5/112 57.1 (from VW iD.4)

 

Compared to the Alltrack offsets, these two rims shown in the above chart have 4mm more offset. Compared to the Superb MK3 rim sizes, it's only 1mm more offset, which is so close you wouldn't notice the difference.

 

The above 8Jx19 ET45 steel rim isn't shown on mytyres. So if you wanted that size in the UK, you might have to purchase from a VAG dealer if availability can't be found elsewhere. Although someone who sells Alcar rims (or one of the other brands) should be able to order one in for you.

 

For a spare, an extra 4mm of offset will hardly be noticed, so you should be safe driving around normally (if the tyre is a good match to what's already on the car) until you get the punctured tyre repaired.

Edited 9 February, 20233 yr by Carlston

On 08/02/2023 at 22:01, nta16 said:

Please note - I am not a mechanic or expert in anything.

 

 

Click on the 'Tyre Comparison' tab and you can enter the tyres size fitted to your car (as 'Size 1') and then enter a second tyre size to see differences.

 

Very silly oversized imo 215/40 r17 tyre (and wheel) is just about spot on the same turning size as a 185/60 r15 (and nearer than the 195/55 r15 is).

 

A 14" wheel would be fine on a Fabia but the fashion for decades has been to have a lot higher and wider wheels than required and with with lower profile tyres than required and now many owners are finding on our third-world roads that dropping a size can give practical benefits whilst retaining some fashion appeal.

 

You would need to know which version/size of front brakes are on a Fabia/Polo/Ibiza before considering having a 14" as a spare, if the front brake version/size is 288mm then a 14" spare would not work - not even for a short period.

Please note - I am not a mechanic or expert in anything.

 

1 hour ago, rum4mo said:

You would need to know which version/size of front brakes are on a Fabia/Polo/Ibiza before considering having a 14" as a spare, if the front brake version/size is 288mm then a 14" spare would not work - not even for a short period.

Sorry I went off on a tangent I was thinking of the design of the car having 14" wheels all round on the car not just as a spare but of course if some bigger sized brakes are on then not with those, the idea of the wheel size being to support the weight of the car and clear the brakes, allowing for cooling.  I'll edit the post.  Cheers.

 

I think that in maybe just the past that some cars were supplied with a spare wheel that could only be used on the rear of a car, when ending up with a front wheel puncture/breakage, the way to sort this out was to jack up the rear, remove the serviceable rear wheel and fit the spare wheel, then move to the front and remove the failed front wheel and fit the wheel removed from the rear. Again, I think that on some Ford cars, that were supplied with a spare steel wheel, different nuts were required for use with steel wheels - that sounds like being a bit of a **** up.  A friend that always buys nearly new Fords, or did do, always boasted about his Fords that had alloys always came with an alloy same size/model spare wheel due to these cars being spec'd that way for sale to rental companies.

Both these first two statements, if true do sound a bit crazy, but what do I know.