have we been and looked at this car then ?

2 hours ago, toot said:

Have you put the reg number in and see how much the Warranty would be?

 

Really you need to see what is on the Skoda / VW System in the first 3 years for Servicing or Service Campaigns, Warranty work then anything since on the system.

 

The next thing is that you need to read the ECU and see if it is a factory map on it and not remapped.

Plenty used cars are remapped which is fine, but a waste of money buying a Warranty if you want the Engine or DSG covered. 

 

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£260.96

Yeah I’ve put the reg in and mileage etc and it was a bit over £300 for £0 excess, up to 15k miles a year and the most comprehensive cover. They don’t mention it’s remapped but I assume I would need VCDS to check that it is correct?

39 minutes ago, UrbanPanzer said:

have we been and looked at this car then ?

Nope, not just yet. I’ll probably be calling APR/REVO for further advice and what to look for when test driving etc. And now the warranty seems to be an issue so I want to get confirmation by Skoda in an email that I won’t be faced with issues like the one in the thread toot linked

Are you talking about buying a warranty as a seperate thing ?

 

EDIT seen the above post.......................

 

Is that one on Autotrader the top of your budget ?

Edited 25 February, 20233 yr by UrbanPanzer

Just reading the last few messages and old thread has put me off buying one! 😪

28 minutes ago, UrbanPanzer said:

Are you talking about buying a warranty as a seperate thing ?

 

EDIT seen the above post.......................

 

Is that one on Autotrader the top of your budget ?

Don’t want to pay anymore than £8k for any car and needs to be somewhat close to Worksop for me to view etc. I’ve seen a blue one that has some mods like RARB. And a red one in Scunthorpe but that has been mapped

21 minutes ago, Awesam said:

Just reading the last few messages and old thread has put me off buying one! 😪

I really want one, I’ve got wheels, RCD330, auto light switch and other bits to go into another Fabia but it’s starting to sound like a silly idea

@ruida_silvaNon Factory approved software / engine management invalidates a warranty, that is in the T&C's.

There were actually Skoda Dealers back 12 yeas ago that did REVO maps and claimed they were not invalidating the warranty. That was nonsense.

The REVO remap for a Twincharger was total crap anyway. 

 

What would you call a APR or REVO Dealer for?  The APR maps were OK, & REVO did the warning on not remapping a faulty engine and that was that, then for a couple of years never managed to bring out a map for a CTHE but there were those Dealers that opened an ECU and tried.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/302195-fabia-mk2-vrs-late-2012-on-cthe-14-tsi-engine-remaps

 

Things have changed, there are good cars out there with good engines and there will be tuners that know customers cars that are good, and there will be members here that know good cars, their's or other peoples.

You have to trust them though.  That is the gamble.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/503261-remap

 

No idea what you think Skoda or the Warranty Underwriters can tell you about a Mk2 vRS and warranties other than what is in  the Term and Conditions.

I say I’ll call REVO/APR as that is what Lucifer said to use in case of mapping and APR normally have technicians that can answer calls and give you advice so thought it would be good.

 

In terms of the warranty, maybe instead of just buying the warranty I would ask questions about to confirm certain things in what is covered and what not. That person isn’t that thread was obviously in the right and had a valid claim but there were a lot of issues. If I at least ask questions that confirm major issues such as gearbox and engine are definitely covered and have email proof, I at least have that to keep peace of mind. Maybe even see if they can do a pre warranty inspection and tick off that the car is fine so I don’t have them saying the fault was there before warranty was took when I run into problems 

The most experienced tuner for this engine is RTMG if you really want to tune.  Personally I wouldn't if I bought one.

I'm trying to source a good one with a owner who's has owned it for more than 18 mths, seems like russian roulette.  Most likely the owners who have good ones don't want to sell them.  Ideally didnt want to spend more than £4.5k, have seen a couple of CAVE engine ones but owners havent had for long ( 1 is a Cat S repair with only 50k , the other has had 4 owners 88k - none of them with warranty work carried by the looks of it.) 

 

Have been offered a 2014 CTHE with 78k for £6.5k!  Im thinking im better off buying a 2007 Leon FR even though it will cost more to run 

@ruida_silva

I wish you all the best with that.

Dealerships sold and resold duff cars over and over again and never got the hang of Mk2 Fabia vRS and eventually many would just not sell them, they came in as trade ins and went to auction and WBAC and other places ended up with the ones people just wanted shot of.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/481250-viewing-my-first-mk2-fabia-vrs-tomorrow

 

I have a vast amount of general experience with tuned vehicles of all shapes and sizes and I wouldn't touch one of these with a ten foot pole unless it was really properly cheap.

 

The problem is double jeopardy, both the engine AND the gearbox are unreliable, particularly at these ages and mileages, the trade knows this so any warranty you might get won't cover your ass when it all goes wrong, and it will!

10 minutes ago, Awesam said:

The most experienced tuner for this engine is RTMG if you really want to tune.  Personally I wouldn't if I bought one.

I'm trying to source a good one with a owner who's has owned it for more than 18 mths, seems like russian roulette.  Most likely the owners who have good ones don't want to sell them.  Ideally didnt want to spend more than £4.5k, have seen a couple of CAVE engine ones but owners havent had for long ( 1 is a Cat S repair with only 50k , the other has had 4 owners 88k - none of them with warranty work carried by the looks of it.) 

 

Have been offered a 2014 CTHE with 78k for £6.5k!  Im thinking im better off buying a 2007 Leon FR even though it will cost more to run 

Yeah for the money I might go to a 1.2 TSI Monte or try and find a nice polo possibly with the 1.4 tsi. Didn’t want to buy another diesel. Market is that bad nothing is worth the money 

@ruida_silva

Now you are on a different track getting to know good or bad 1.2 TSI's / Monte Carlos, the 105 ps or not and the mis-advertised.

The TECH edition ones brought out because they were damn expensive and not selling.

Lots of different as standard or option pars and standard or modded. 

 

Quite a difference between a Manual 105 ps or a DSG 180 ps, but then both can do 70 MPH.

Can you not find a Mk3 Fabia 1.2 TSI / Cam Belt.  They are a service item though. 

I didn’t want to pay too much for a car I don’t want to keep for ages. If the TDI is indeed a write off when they take it away and inspect Tuesday, I just wanted a car that’s nice enough that wasn’t a complete down grade to keep me happy for 12/18 months. Are the MK2 1.2s a nightmare as well then? I’ve seen a Tech and a black edition near me 

 

And is there 2 1.2 TSIs?

Edited 25 February, 20233 yr by ruida_silva

There will be plenty of good ones around just find one.  They were ok even with a TMC tuning box or a remap.   Ones after the timing chain tensioner upgrade, no noisy ones etc etc.  Rear drum brakes as standard.   Happy hunting.    Make sure on the V5c and from the VIN it is a 105 ps if that is what you want because there are sellers that assume or say they are, not all are. 

 

Edited 25 February, 20233 yr by toot

3 minutes ago, toot said:

There will be plenty of good ones around just find one.  They were ok even with a TMC tuning box or a remap.   Ones after the timing chain tensioner upgrade, no noisy ones etc etc.  Rear drum brakes as standard.   Happy hunting.    Make sure on the V5c and from the VIN it is a 105 ps if that is what you want because there are sellers that assume or say they are, not all are. 

 

Ref check will tell me whether it’s a 105 so no issue there. I assume the lesser ones have worse brakes too right? And is the chain tensioner upgrade a factory thing or am I just checking invoices that they’ve had it done?

You maybe check the posts on this section but if you are buying newer than 2012 then the upgrade was from the factory, but some of these are getting noisy now.

Not sure if the front discs are smaller, but they would be really small as they are not much of a brake anyway, they are just there to stop a car and will have done for years now if it never went into a wall. 

The thread are all here on replacement rear axles and disc upgrades.

 

If you are finding a car with invoices and service record and stuff then great.

Thanks toot you’re a fountain of information. I will be looking for 2013 onwards as I want that second facelift with new steering wheel and badges. I’ll be sure to look through 1.2 tsi threads. Thanks again… something tells me I’ll be introducing a VRS in the future even if it’s a bad idea 😂

9 hours ago, Awesam said:

The most experienced tuner for this engine is RTMG if you really want to tune.  Personally I wouldn't if I bought one.

I'm trying to source a good one with a owner who's has owned it for more than 18 mths, seems like russian roulette.  Most likely the owners who have good ones don't want to sell them.  Ideally didnt want to spend more than £4.5k, have seen a couple of CAVE engine ones but owners havent had for long ( 1 is a Cat S repair with only 50k , the other has had 4 owners 88k - none of them with warranty work carried by the looks of it.) 

 

Have been offered a 2014 CTHE with 78k for £6.5k!  Im thinking im better off buying a 2007 Leon FR even though it will cost more to run 

 

This is the same regarding ownership for most dealers, they just get them part ex'd into their own deals, or buy them from main dealers who don't want older cars on the forecourt etc then say all the nice sales stuff about them,

yet in reality they don't know the car at all !!

 

If dealers were as confident in any car as much as they hype up the sale of them, then a 12 month warranty included in the price would never be an issue, but they simply could never risk that on any car let alone cars that can have known issues.

 

I think if your after a decent vRS then you have to buy from an enthusiast or similar or maybe from a member on here (not a sales pitch btw). The same would apply back in the old days if you was looking for a fast ford (RS, Cossie,) etc etc.

I think I have a good one, had it from 3 years old (2013) and it's been a nice car, lots of fun to drive and I do love the look of it, but mine simply does not get used much now, only did around 1200 miles last year and even the few years before that and if possible it only comes out in nice weather....... so considering selling but definitely not going to give it away as compared to what I see for sale, theres no comparison.

 

 

I agree there are cars that are good and last a long while such as yours. Having finished reading that thread toot posted about the warranty issues, I can say that as a family man I can’t possibly think it’s a good idea. Don’t mind forking out for repairs but when the 2 main and most expensive parts in the car are unreliable and not even warranty can be counted on I will have to pass up on the VRS entirely. Shame, love the look of them and would’ve had a lot of fun.

 

I’ve thanked the seller for their time and patience and why I’ve been put off

Edited 26 February, 20233 yr by ruida_silva

26 minutes ago, ruida_silva said:

I agree there are cars that are good and last a long while such as yours. Having finished reading that thread toot posted about the warranty issues, I can say that as a family man I can’t possibly think it’s a good idea. Don’t mind forking out for repairs but when the 2 main and most expensive parts in the car are unreliable and not even warranty can be counted on I will have to pass up on the VRS entirely. Shame, love the look of them and would’ve had a lot of fun.

 

I’ve thanked the seller for their time and patience and why I’ve been put off

whilst I fully understand your choice and reasons, what I would say is don’t always be put off by what you read, and I’m not saying it’s not justified however…..

 

you won’t find forums of people just posting how great their cars are, generally they come here when they have problems to sort.

 

it would be the same for ANY make of car and there will be horror stories for all makes if you joined all the forums for any car your interested in.

 

I would say in the time I have been on this forum after all the early engine problems etc, the vRS does not come up in that many topics, or any more than other Fabia models imo.

3 monkeys.

 

Of the1,800 CAVE engine Mk2 Fabia in the UK VW Group had to rebuild, bring in short units and base engines for more than 20% of those.

They even had to replace replacement engines.

 

That is not just people complaining about the odd issues.

Destroyed engines, software updates, the breather mod 1, breather mod 2, then Oil Spray Jet upgrade and the Software Update.  That is just the CAVE Engines.

 

Then oddly with the CTHE some still were using too much oil and got a Breather Mod, strange, then Oil Spray Jets. 

Then still engine failures within those 1,100 Fabia Twin chargers.

 

Same with Polo GTI but less cars sold.  2010-2012,   2012-2014,  Ibiza 2009-2012 & 2012-2014.  and Audi A1 195 ps 2011-2014.

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/358101-vrs-mk-ii-14-litre-twincharger-oil-consumption-issues

So small numbers obviously,  or so VW / Skoda would have you want to beleive.

& time after time the same cars knocking about with owner after owner with a lemon.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/294051-cave-cthe-14tsi-just-reply-please-if-you-have-had-an-engine-replaced

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/353149-fabia-mk2-vrs-14tsi-replacement-engines-replaced-how-many

 

 

Edited 26 February, 20233 yr by toot

Positive. 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/394621-skoda-fabia-mk2-vrs-positive-thread-part-2-part-1-was-locked

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/332715-skoda-fabia-mk2-vrs-2010-2014-how-many-left-driving-them/page/11

 

There are members than have had more than 1 Twincharger and moved on and then come back & bought another.

@sharkrideri think is back again owning one. 

I think my point has been misconstrued…….I don’t disagree and I’m not saying the issues are not there, what I’m saying is ALL makes and models have their issues and being a member of a specific make / models forum highlights those issues whatever they are.

 

I remember researching my Land Rover back in 2007, read all the do’s and don’t’s but still bought one 😊 and enjoyed it for 12 years.

 

the CAVE engines cars have a pretty bad reputation, but people still buy them.