That will be the norm then unless another max speed is posted.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-66774380

 

It was supposed to be introduced in Scotland long before now because the Scottish Greens managed to have the SNP under their thumb.

Maybe it will come to pass sometime.

10 minutes ago, toot said:

That will be the norm then unless another max speed is posted.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-66774380🤣

 

It was supposed to be introduced in Scotland long before now because the Scottish Greens managed to have the SNP under their thumb.

Maybe it will come to pass sometime.

I wonder why the 'powers that be' don't just revert to the old law where someone waving a red flag has to walk in front of the vehicle! 

On the news (BBC) they are saying the Default 20 mph limit will affect 1/3 rd of the Road Network in Wales.

 

Is that true. 

33.3% of the roads in Wales are in Residential Areas and currently with a default 30 mph speed limit?

2 hours ago, Warrior193 said:

I wonder why the 'powers that be' don't just revert to the old law where someone waving a red flag has to walk in front of the vehicle! 

So would that be one Pager per vehicle - perhaps also wearing a red coat - or one per line of vehicles as per a funeral cortege ?

 

Could do wonders for the unemployment figures!

 

3 minutes ago, MikeTheThinker said:

So would that be one Pager per vehicle - perhaps also wearing a red coat - or one per line of vehicles as per a funeral cortege ?

 

Could do wonders for the unemployment figures!

 

No, each would have to be kitted-out with full HSE PPE - yellow high-vis vest, safety boots, strobe beacons (for night/fog) etc. Convoys would have to be limited to 5 vehicles.

Have I got a chance of running for Mayor 😇? Snowball in Hell!

6 minutes ago, Warrior193 said:

yellow high-vis vest

Perhaps the colour choice should be flourescent shocking pink, as visibility studies for motorcyclists show that this is the colourway that is most visible. Plus, it would differentiate between legitimate targets  - I mean Pagers - on the highway versus disallowed targets off the carriageways.

16 minutes ago, Warrior193 said:

strobe beacons

This reminds me of a practical joke we played on our old GP.  Bob was often called out for emergencies and decided to go 'official' with the regalia - green lights and nee naws on his car, 'official' medico jacket etc. - so we made him up an emergency responders' safety helmet complete with a battery-powered rotating blue beacon on the crown (we couldn't find a green one).  Daft bugger wore it to a press launch and got soundly told off by the local officianadoes - but he still got his piccy in the local rag

 

Oh, I forgot the TDRA that will require completing before setting out on any journey - must be completely generic, be a minimum of three pages long - and contain at least 98% of risks that have absolutely no relation to task.

That's just crazy, do I hear you say? Not according to my current employer! 

Edited 15 September, 20232 yr by Warrior193
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But they have NOT even claimed it will reduce air pollution ,they are just anti car zealots and it’s coming to everywhere.

2 hours ago, Sad555 said:

 

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Safety campaigners Brake said if "you're struck by a car travelling at 30mph the risk of dying is five times greater than if the car was travelling at 20mph".

But set against that it is claimed that the risk of being struck by a car travelling at 20mph is higher as drivers spend more time looking at their speedo instead of the road.

8 hours ago, toot said:

On the news (BBC) they are saying the Default 20 mph limit will affect 1/3 rd of the Road Network in Wales.

 

Is that true. 

33.3% of the roads in Wales are in Residential Areas and currently with a default 30 mph speed limit?

 

There is a significant proportion of roads in Wales with a national speed limit but realistically you can't do more than 20mph anyway - they're so narrow or steep or twisty or blocked by wandering sheep (or tourists) or any combination thereof 🤣

Joking aside, I can totally understand a 20mph limit on some urban roads in the cities or towns - roads clogged with parked vehicles, delivery vans etc. and maybe a few of the villages blighted by traffic but as for the rest I tend to agree with Penny Mordant - it's insane.

The Welsh speed watchers - GoSafe - have pronounced on their 20mph speeding approach:

 

"GoSafe have stated the speed they will start prosecuting drivers for on 20mph roads. Wales has become the first UK nation to introduce a default 20mph limit that now applies on most roads that were previously 30mph, particularly those in residential and other busy built up areas.

Welsh Government and police have always said they will take a gentle approach to enforcement with the initial phase being used to engage with drivers seen going over 20mph - apart from those well above the speed limit. Now GoSafe have published their guidelines on the new limit.

The normal rule for enforcement is to start issuing fines and points at 10% above limit plus 2mph. But there will be more leeway with the 20mph limit.

GoSafe say the threshold will be 10% plus 4mph. This will mean drivers will start getting fines and points at 26mph and above."

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/gosafe-announce-speed-prosecute-drivers-27742796

 

 

On 15/09/2023 at 18:00, PetrolDave said:

But set against that it is claimed that the risk of being struck by a car travelling at 20mph is higher as drivers spend more time looking at their speedo instead of the road.

Or the very real risk that some pedestrians will 'take the gap' between vehicles because they're going so slowly.

Edited 20 September, 20232 yr by Warrior193
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I live in a market town in Herts, pop approx 13000 (and rising with all the new builds, but that’s another story), and last year a blanket 20mph speed limit was put in place.

 

On just half the town - just a seemingly arbitrary divide.

 

The western half is 20mph, the eastern half it’s 30mph.  Maybe there are more councillors living there?

2 hours ago, Baxlin said:

I live in a market town in Herts, pop approx 13000 (and rising with all the new builds, but that’s another story), and last year a blanket 20mph speed limit was put in place.

 

On just half the town - just a seemingly arbitrary divide.

 

The western half is 20mph, the eastern half it’s 30mph.  Maybe there are more councillors living there?

Rather like the old joke when it was rumoured that NZ was going to convert to driving on the right - to ease the transition, vehicles with registrations ending with odd numbers would transition on Monday - even numbers on Tuesday.

IMHO they can make the limit 5mph, there will be no enforcement on 99% of roads so no one will pay any attention to it.

On our roads there is... on a recent brainwashing course I was required to attend, there were three victims there who had been prosecuted for doing 21mph in a 20. I was there for 36 in a 30, previously I reviewed the video footage from my mirror cam and noted my actual speed I was being flagellated for and I thought, "OK, I'll take the 36!"😆

Edited 28 September, 20232 yr by Crasher

We have "Zone Trentes" in France, 30KPH = 19mph in many town and village centres, part of the legislation means that they become "priorité au piéton" and have traffic calming measures like chicanes, sleeping policeman etc, they effectively become pedestrianised areas as pedestrians can cross wherever they choose and cars have to stop for them, given French drivers that remains theoretical 😄

 

The Route Departementale in front of where I am now (the hôtel in Picardie) with the Airbus factory opposite became a zone 30 and they removed 4 pedestrian crossings to do so which has actually made it much more dangerous for people walking to work although most drive even those living 100m away.

 

In general they work very well and its unusual to see one inappropriately sited, we need more and they are spreading but not really fast enough.

 

In the village where I live near Bergerac the main Route Nationale to Bordeaux passes right through the centre, its 80kmh limit from Bergerac then 90KPH dual carriage way (very rare these days) and then they have to slow to 30kph to pass through the centre of  the village, there is a speed camera just before.

 

That works very well and has much improved safety, most drive faster but they have to be aware with all the chicanes, raised sections and the chance that a Flic might be there with the speed measuring binoculars.

 

My road is a narrow single track ratrun with a 50kph limit although barely any vehicles pass compared to say the UK many drivers drive far too fast whilst staring at their phones, neighbours walk the road with their children and gather to talk with each other so it can be very dangerous, they have been campaigning without success for a reduction to a Zone 30 which I will take up, given the 30 limit on the main road logically there should be no reason against it but there i only one other road in the village with a zone 30, the one where the Maire lives which is a cul de sac and not a cut through!