1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

Renault's trying to do with EV battery fire safety what Volvo did with seatbelts | Top Gear

 

Renault's "Fireman access" port for their batteries, now free patent. It allows quickly flood the battery to combat or prevent thermal runaway. 

 

 

 

Indeed.

Saw this a few months ago and thought a good idea but would have liked to see the access port on the externals of the car, maybe on one of the corners.

 

I trained as a fire fighter as part of the merchant navy training, no point calling 999 a thousand miles from land.

 

I would not want to be the fireman getting inside the car to do this. Renault say the pressure of the water from the hose will blow through the thin plastic cover. Have not gone looking for it but there is a safety sheet for the Scenic that firepersons can access from the Web to show where the aperture is for flooding the battery compartment.

 

12 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Indeed.

Saw this a few months ago and thought a good idea but would have liked to see the access port on the externals of the car, maybe on one of the corners.

 

I trained as a fire fighter as part of the merchant navy training, no point calling 999 a thousand miles from land.

 

I would not want to be the fireman getting inside the car to do this. Renault say the pressure of the water from the hose will blow through the thin plastic cover. Have not gone looking for it but there is a safety sheet for the Scenic that firepersons can access from the Web to show where the aperture is for flooding the battery compartment.

 

I'd like to see this, as you say on the outside of the car, asking a fireman to enter the car to locate is fraught with problems, it might be fine if the fireman is already on the scene when the battery fire starts, but like the case of Luton Airport fire, the fire brigade often take several minutes to arrive and can be even longer at times, by which time the car would fully ablaze.

 

Also there is also the chance that the port could also act as vent for high pressure jets of gas and fire exiting the battery thus rendering it useless anyway as the fireman would not able to access the port then.

Another battery recycling centre fire in the UK.

 

 

At least EV batteries are not slipping through the transportation and storage mistaken for Lithium Batteries from Computers, Scooters, Bikes etc.

18 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Another battery recycling centre fire in the UK.

 

 

 

More on the story. Lorries outside the facility apparentley.

 

 

 

https://altrincham.todaynews.co.uk/police-fire-and-court/2025/02/23/massive-fire-involving-heavy-goods-vehicles-wythenshawe-industrial-park/

Every Recycling plant fire is not going to be related to EV batteries, and what does anyone suggest, No more Lithium Batteries? 

@OotohereWhile it is true that it does not mean that any EV batteries are/were involved in this fire or indeed any other battery recycling plants, it does indeed highlight the real hazards involved in the these types of batteries.

 

We have had battery powered tools for years now, but it also seems, does it not, that we are now suddenly getting some real major battery related fires and if no other reason, it also highlights the real hazards locating such facilities near to town / cities and areas of housing estates. If we are destined to have these batteries, then we need to greatly beef up the safe handling of these batteries, the location of such plants, the means of transportation and the means of quickly and efficiently quelling of any fires and reducing their frequency and also the size of any fire. 

1 hour ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

More on the story. Lorries outside the facility apparentley.

 

 

 

https://altrincham.todaynews.co.uk/police-fire-and-court/2025/02/23/massive-fire-involving-heavy-goods-vehicles-wythenshawe-industrial-park/

Indeed, the drone footage shows that fire is not currently within the main buildings, but in the video I posted and indeed in other videos by StacheD Training, he does say that the transportation and packing of these batteries is of particular concern. We do need to learn lessons and learn them quickly.

Highlighting is good.

UK Fire Fighters and Bosses and Authorities are probably learning lots from those in the USA and globally. 

 

As to the BEV,s and them on fire and their batteries being recycled really every Recycling Plant Fire being mentioned by Bloggers / Vloggers might be just that.

FIRE !

 

PS

We learn that we need to be damn careful because sh!t happens and it is happening lots. 

So what have we learned today that we did not know yesterday from an Ex Firefighter and the Media? 

 

 

Edited 24 February, 20251 yr by Ootohere

28 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

We have had battery powered tools for years now, but it also seems, does it not, that we are now suddenly getting some real major battery related fires and if no other reason, it also highlights the real hazards locating such facilities near to town / cities and areas of housing estates. If we are destined to have these batteries, then we need to greatly beef up the safe handling of these batteries, the location of such plants, the means of transportation and the means of quickly and efficiently quelling of any fires and reducing their frequency and also the size of any fire. 

The more you look, the more they surface, it is the nature of feed algorithms. It does not mean "now suddenly" getting more/major related files.

 

 

2 hours ago, Ootohere said:

Highlighting is good.

UK Fire Fighters and Bosses and Authorities are probably learning lots from those in the USA and globally. 

 

As to the BEV,s and them on fire and their batteries being recycled really every Recycling Plant Fire being mentioned by Bloggers / Vloggers might be just that.

FIRE !

 

PS

We learn that we need to be damn careful because sh!t happens and it is happening lots. 

So what have we learned today that we did not know yesterday from an Ex Firefighter and the Media? 

 

 

Yes agreed, but we need to start moving such plants well away from built up areas. Would you locate a massive oil storage depot in such locations? 

3 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Would you locate a massive oil storage depot in such locations? 

You mean petrol stations?

 

 

3 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Yes agreed, but we need to start moving such plants well away from built up areas. Would you locate a massive oil storage depot in such locations? 

Oh, so someone has, well maybe not in quite the same kind of location as the refinery is more of a rural area with possibly the workers houses nearby, compared to the area of Manchester where Wythenshawe is located, but still bad enough. But in the defence of Fawley Refinery, it was sited there many years ago and is still to this day pretty rural.

And so it begins, I seriously doubt that this will be the only country to take action. There is new footage of the fire which shows the seriousness and impact of it all.

 

 

 

 

 

Korea beefs up safety inspections of EV batteries - The Korea Herald

 

Korea upgrades safety standards for large underground parking lots - The Korea Herald

Edited 28 February, 20251 yr by Graham Butcher

2 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Korea beefs up safety inspections of EV batteries - The Korea Herald

There's an opportunity for our yearly MOT: we could have pack integrity check and/or check pack re-certification after repairto ensure no damaged EV are on the road.

 

The highest risk are when packs are when packs are damaged.

What a massive clean-up operation after the LA fires.

(5088) AFTER THE LA FIRE: Toxic Battery Cleanup - YouTube

I thought this video was well worth a watch, shows Lithium batteries versus normal Alkaline ones being crushed.

At long last there is real growing concern about the fire safety of batteries within tall buildings, not only in the buildings but in their underground car parking bays, be they residential, commercial or whatever, and just the fire but also the huge amounts of highly toxic gases that are produced prior to the battery being visibly on fire, and the explosiveness and flammability of those gases.

A case in point was the Porsche Taycan that burst into fire in such a carpark in Madrid this week, killing 2 firefighters and injuring a third. This was very slow to filter out into the main media but due to the actions of some Vloggers who exposed it, it has now being reported on openly.

They need to ban the likes of e-scooters / e-bikes or their Batteries being taken into Tall Building or even lower buildings.

Maybe ban shops / repair centres for these being near any other properties.

Also places where Motability Scooters are sold, maintained, stored or are taken into buildings will require legislation.

So much to deal with where there are fire risks.

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Some might need to choose.

Burn to death or possibly drown.

Edited 6 April, 20251 yr by Ootohere

The thing with e-bikes and e-scooters is that there does not seem to be any real regulations that the makers have to follow or is it that there is, but the enforcement of them is lacking. Also of course, they are open to abuse by the owners either by way of using incorrect chargers/charges and tampering with them.

Or even just used as sold as to be used but are not 100% guaranteed not to go on fire.

Like BEV,s.

1 minute ago, Ootohere said:

Or even just used as sold as to be used but are not 100% guaranteed not to go on fire.

Like BEV,s.

Eh? There has recently been some massive recalls announced on some BEVs because there is a high risk of them doing just that.

Should owners who do not care, ignore DVLA Recalls or advice from Manufacturers be allowed to take their vehicles anyplace.

Car parks, multi-storey, underground, overground, wombling free.

Parking at Heathrow etc etc.

This is an issue, there are plenty that will not do the sensible thing.

Should Porsche / VW UK be acting more responsibly?

@Ootohere I was in the process of editing my earlier post re the recalls but was prevented by the server being offline for maintenance.