2 hours ago, Rooted said:

@mccririckIf they drift across to your side you are on your side.  If you are the one drifting, that is what the system is for.

 

If you leave it on then pay attention to what the road markings / lines are, kerb / verge side and centre line or line divider and see when you get that nudge, 

and pay attention on bends / corners and see when you get a nudge / lane assist action. 

 

It will not stop you driving with due care and attention and taking any avoidance.  It might show you that you do not want to go for a Driving Test resit. 

 

I do not mean that in a nasty way.   In my MINI in Edinburgh i miss the gentle lane assist i had in my Corsa Electric or in the other cars i drive.  The MINI has a light shows but no NUDGE.

I left the Systems  on, and will leave them on even when there is Snow, Ploughed roads etc.   It showed me just how poor my driving had become, lack of attention sometimes.

 

Occasionally on fast hill roads i do put Lane Keep Assist off where there are patched roads with long lines of tar joining patches.

I don't find it necessary and it does nudge when I really do t want it too which is just distracting when I know what I'm doing on the road. I want to feel feedback from the road through the steering wheel, not lane assist nudges. The only time I'd keep it on is if I'm on a long motorway journey.

 

I also prefer the speed limiter to cruise control as cruise control isn't the best for saving fuel if the road isn't flat. It's better to slow slightly on uphill sections and use downhills to gain speed. That saves fuel.

30 minutes ago, Jorgeminator said:

ACC and Travel Assist work flawlessly even without Lane Assist.

Interesting. I’m now trying to work out how it would prevent ’undertaking’ without lane assist. Presumably just  the input side of LA to read the white lines.

I’ll try to remember to have a fiddle next time I’m out in the car.

13 minutes ago, SteveTheElder said:

Interesting. I’m now trying to work out how it would prevent ’undertaking’ without lane assist. Presumably just  the input side of LA to read the white lines.

I’ll try to remember to have a fiddle next time I’m out in the car.

Lane Assist is quite simply just a piece of code continously checking (with the help of the camera) whether the driver is about to cross a lane marking unintentionally. All other rules, including undertaking, are still being enforced.

52 minutes ago, mccririck said:

I don't find it necessary and it does nudge when I really do t want it too which is just distracting when I know what I'm doing on the road. I want to feel feedback from the road through the steering wheel, not lane assist nudges. The only time I'd keep it on is if I'm on a long motorway journey.

That's the exact reason why I've turned it off permanently. More precisely, it remembers the last setting, and since I never turn it on, it stays off. When I'm on the motorway I turn on Travel Assist, which is the correct term for the convenience feature (ACC + Adaptive Lane Guidance).

Edited 10 November, 20232 yr by Jorgeminator

ACC should really be off in adverse weather conditions, Flooded roads where aquaplaning is a possibility, Snow / Ice etc. 

As CC should not be used. 

First thing I do everytime I get in the car is turn off lane assist and as many of the other “assistance” gizmos as I can. They are intrusive and annoying. 
 

I’ll drive the car myself thanks, I don’t need a computer doing it for me👍🏻

^^^ That is good, you know what the car has and can do and turn off what you do not need or want.

 

There are morons out today in Frost & Freezing fog that must think DRL,s light the rear of the car or Auto lights have tuned on Side Lights & Dipped beam.

They might not know they have a rear Fog light on and they are sitting in traffic. 

No idea the Brake Lights are on when Autohold is active and they are just sitting stationary in traffic.

 

No idea the tyre pressures unless there is a warning, or the oil is low, or the screen wash empty.    They WALK among us, worse THEY DRIVE AMONG US.

I don't find the lane assist that bad on my VRS. Yes it does get fooled sometimes on the back roads, but I've had lots of new different electric cars over the past 3 years and some were dangerous in my opinion. Pulling the car far too hard. Ping bong all the time .........!

 

The worst was the new Renault Megan. It picked up joins in the tarmac... Turning them off is in the depth of the system and has to be done every time.

 

Now my camera is activated ( cost me £65) the ACC works from the GPS like the VW ID3  and Kona self driving tech.

 

I use it every day. The distance gauge bar on the display is wrong but the system works.

 

As mentioned above don't use cruise control or ACC in bad weather !

 

Happy safe driving everyone

 

2 hours ago, SteveTheElder said:

Interesting. I’m now trying to work out how it would prevent ’undertaking’ without lane assist. Presumably just  the input side of LA to read the white lines.

I’ll try to remember to have a fiddle next time I’m out in the car.

The ACC Radar should detect where the car is ahead, ahead, left or right of you, and then it can work it out from that.. or not as was the problem with ACC prior to the software fix when it kept thinking it was in Europe and slammed the brakes on when legally overtaking in the UK on dual carriageways!! 

8 hours ago, mccririck said:

It's better to slow slightly on uphill sections and use downhills to gain speed. That saves fuel.

FYI, this annoys af those behind you.

6 minutes ago, Edela said:

FYI, this annoys af those behind you.

Yes. I do it a bit less when someone is behind me. Most people dont think about this though - maintaining speed uphill is going to use a lot more fuel.

Car dependent but actually getting up the hill at a quick pace and then getting as much regeneration on the down slope can be most efficient as hypermilers know.

Some might know the opposite, but i have been a fuel watcher since i had a moped & know the MPG of every vehicle i ride or drive and for the seasons and routes travelled and which route can be most fuel efficient.     

2 minutes ago, Rooted said:

Car dependent but actually getting up the hill at a quick pace and then getting as much regeneration on the down slope can be most efficient as hypermilers know.

Some might know the opposite, but i have been a fuel watcher since i had a moped & know the MPG of every vehicle i ride or drive and for the seasons and routes travelled and which route can be most fuel efficient.     

If it's a decent hill you'll get plenty of regen on the way down anyway. I would think saving fuel on the way up is more important as regen is 60-70% efficient.

The great thing is with a PHEV, BEV and the likes and with Apps and info from the car you can check now what uses more fuel / energy.

 

I will give you an example.  Fettercairn and up Cairn O Mount and down the the Dee.

 

I do it in ICE, Hybrids and for over 3 years in EV,s and getting up the 5 miles quick and using fuel can use less than going slower.

The next 23 miles driven using regen can put so much energy back in the battery depending on how you do it, coasting and running and braking or using regen and not breaking.

 

I can do the circular route of 120 miles Forfar to Fettercairn, Cairn o Mount, Ballater, Braemar, Glenshee and back by Glen Isla using less fuel or electric than doing it the opposite way going by Glenshee and back by Cairn O Mount. 

Exact same roads at the same speeds and the same climbs / elevations.

If i have a loan car or demonstrator that is my usual route i will do if i have 3 hours to kill or maybe less and its a braw bricht moonlit nicht.

Edited 10 November, 20232 yr by Rooted

You can still coast if you go up the hills slower, though. Amazing how quickly you gain speed going downhill after a long uphill.

Edited 10 November, 20232 yr by mccririck

If a profile like a pyramid maybe but not if it is an easy oazy once over the top and you are not dropping down, like going from the sea to the mountains.

 

Edited 10 November, 20232 yr by Rooted

8 hours ago, Rooted said:

No idea the Brake Lights are on when Autohold is active and they are just sitting stationary in traffic.

Genuine question; Is this a thing in the UK, brake lights while stationary being frowned upon?

Yes, as in the out of date Highway Code and even in the updated one.

If stop for extended times apply the parking brake.  As in do not dazzle those behind.  Not an issue in daylight or night time if not raining. 

 

Many have no idea, or say it does not matter, or others with brake lights have never annoyed them.

Sit or move for 10 miles slowly and take up to an hour or more like Glasgow, Edinburgh can be and some change lanes just to get awy from following the worst of brake lights, maybe BMW or Mercedes, Police Volvo X90,  and now Electric cars with a light bar the width of the rear. 

 

Not that the EU bothered, or with Front Fog Lights that can come on automatically when reverse is selected regardless of what ever might be coming to wards you,

Or used as Cornering lights so as someone pulls away from stopped at road work traffic lights or moves the steering wheel an extra light comes on. 

Edited 10 November, 20232 yr by Rooted

8 minutes ago, Rooted said:

Yes, as in the out of date Highway Code and even in the updated one.

If stop for extended times apply the parking brake.  As in do not dazzle those behind.  Not an issue in daylight or night time if not raining. 

 

Not that the EU bothered, or with Front Fog Lights that can come on automatically when reverse is selected regardless of what ever might be coming to wards you,

Or used as Cornering lights so as someone pulls away from stopped at road work traffic lights or moves the steering wheel an extra light comes on. 

Thanks, the picture was useful! "Once the following vehicle has stopped" is the key there. It changes it all from just stupid to fully understandable.

Anyway, the brake lights are red not only because it signals 'stop', but because red light doesn't compromise night vision, i.e. it hasn't really affected your low light vision once the car in front gets moving again.

@JorgeminatorHow old are you, really i mean how old are your eyes? 

 

  'Hasn't really'   Well when there is a light, 2 and high level shining with some cars maybe it hasn't. and others are just ridiculous. 

But then there are Brake Lights that are bright and indicators you can hardly see when they are on like on a SEAT Alhambra.  (My Alhambra did not have the brake lights in when in Autohold,  Neither did some other VW Group cars up to a few years ago. 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/497760-code-out-brake-lights-on-autohold

 

Edited 10 November, 20232 yr by Rooted

5 minutes ago, Rooted said:

@JorgeminatorHow old are you, really i mean how old are your eyes? 

The physical properties of rhodopsin don't change with age. I absolutely see where you're coming from, though. Brake lights glaring in your face is in fact very annoying, especially when it's raining. But, I'd rather have an annoyed person behind me than whiplash because the driver behind me thought I was still moving. Being stationary with no brake lights and empty road behind you would be really dangerous. That's why the picture you sent clarified things, there should at least always be someone else behind you shining their brake lights for the traffic catching up.

I was hesitant to query the brake lights, but glad someone did. I also assumed it to be a UK/Regional thing. I imagine it would never occur to most people in AU, and absolutely no-one would sit at the lights with hand/emergency brake on. On the other hand, driving with super-bright headlights coming at you can be a genuine hazard since you are actually moving, not stationary.

8 hours ago, Jorgeminator said:

Genuine question; Is this a thing in the UK, brake lights while stationary being frowned upon?

It used to annoy me when I sat behind a car with their brake lights on, I considered the driver an incompetent inconsiderate twerp. However if it's a feature of the auto handbrake I can hardly blame them if my car is doing it as well.

 

Will the brake lights come off if I manually apply the parking brake?

Yes.  Hand or e-Brake parking brake applied does not put the rear brake lights on.

 

@SouthernComfortIt is not really about sitting at traffic lights for the time the sequence of those work.  Extended stops.

It might be Traffic / Controls at road works,waiting for being taken through in a convoy,  traffic at standstills during an accident etc.

 

But then many have no idea what their lights look like from behind when the brake lights are on, some have no idea or could not care if the rear Fog light is also still on.

Edited 11 November, 20232 yr by Rooted

The problem is exacerbated by high level rear brake lights especially the LED ones as the current legislation still dictates a maximum wattage and not luminous intensity, they can be much much brighter than a 21w halogen bulb behind a red glass and are directly in your line of sight.

 

Rooted, some of the modern front and rear indicators with clear lenses are so tiny that if they were fitted to a moped the flics would pull the youngster over and fine them yet they are fitted into massive LED rear light clusters that go across the whole rear of the car, its very hard to see the turn signal amongst the massive array of rear lights and with the brake lights on pretty much impossible, and thats if you havn't had to look away because of the brightness and the high level one.