Side wall is damaged - presumably pothole damage😠

 

A replacement Bridgestone Turanza is £186, so going for 2 Michelin Cross Climates (just over £150 each).

 

My excellent local tyre place effectively price matched Costco 👌 

 

Crazy tyre size on the SE-L Karoq!

 

Now debating whether to change change the rear tyres to match the fronts 🤔

 

The rears are the original Bridgestones (on the front axle for 11k miles,  but recently rotated to the rear).

 

4-5mm tread remains,  but unmatched tyres triggers my OCD tendencies and I noticed the Michelins are considerably quieter than the OEM Bridgestones. 

 

First World decisions!!

It is advised by most that you do not run with miss-matched tyres, but then there are those that say the best / NEW tyres go on the rear.

 

Not something i do my self with FWD cars, or even AWD cars.  But then i would not run rubbish tyres on the rear on anything even if not rear wheel drive. 

 

The Bridgestone even new are pretty rubbish in the Wet / Cold, Snow or icy conditions are they not?

Check for tyre cracking.  If you are looking for an excuse all 4 of my Bridgestones had significant cracking at under 5 years old and mileage at 20,000.  

The relatively low mileage was probably a factor in the cracking.

 

Bit late for you now but my local tyre dealer could get nowhere near the Asda price and they were Asda's fitting agent!

 

tom

Edited 10 November, 20232 yr by Sanqhar

40 minutes ago, Rooted said:

Not something i do my self with FWD cars, or even AWD cars.  But then i would not run rubbish tyres on the rear on anything even if not rear wheel drive.

 

I'm glad I'm not the only one left who thinks for themselves and makes their own decisions, I don't even dare speak that view these days such is the level of brainlesswashing.

I don't think it is a good idea to mix Cross Climates with summer tyres, ocd or not. Itwill probably be unsafe in poor conditions. The car would be more stable with the Cross Climates on the rear, but you would completely lose the advantages of better traction and braking.

 

As for the principe of new tyres on the rear, this was a big thing a few years ago, along with the fad for nitrogen in tyres. What it should be is the tyres with best grip in the rear. Some new cheap brands will have less grip than worn premium tyrs, and even if all of the tyres are the same, a half worn tyre will have better grip than a new or a fully worn one. With the better tyres on the front you will get better gri and steering. As I have had the misfortune of having t-boned two cars which crossed my path when I was travelling at 50-60mph, I know what I would prefer.

Nitrogen had nothing to do with the price of fish or the traction / grip of tyres at the correct pressures.  Correct pressures being the thing.

 

As to more stable on the rear.

Lovely when the drive, steering , braking is coming from the front and ESP from all corners.

Lovely to be stable as you try to correct a slide off the road using the ability of the stable rear on a Front Wheel drive vehicle. 

'Scandinavian flick'  maybe from drivers while trying to remember if the have Over Steer or Under Steer, and do the steer into a skid, and is the ABS providing grip to the front tyres that are less good than the rears.

 

The OP should maybe take the car as now out on a big open car park / space when wet, cold or snow covered and see just how it is and if happy to be taking their nearest and dearest out in it during this season. 

Edited 10 November, 20232 yr by Rooted

1 hour ago, Rooted said:

Nitrogen had nothing to do with the price of fish or the traction / grip of tyres at the correct pressures.  Correct pressures being the thing.

 

As to more stable on the rear.

Lovely when the drive, steering , braking is coming from the front and ESP from all corners.

Lovely to be stable as you try to correct a slide off the road using the ability of the stable rear on a Front Wheel drive vehicle. 

'Scandinavian flick'  maybe from drivers while trying to remember if the have Over Steer or Under Steer, and do the steer into a skid, and is the ABS providing grip to the front tyres that are less good than the rears.

 

The OP should maybe take the car as now out on a big open car park / space when wet, cold or snow covered and see just how it is and if happy to be taking their nearest and dearest out in it during this season. 

^^^^ agree with above - I personally have a preference for a slight tendency to oversteer, I think it is easier to correct - unless you completely overcook it and swap ends.

I don't think I would worry to much if your rear tyres have 4-5mm of tread after a front-rear swap

 

But I wouldn't be happy putting worn tyres with under 3mm tread at the back, maybe this is where the putting new tyres on back idea came from.

 

 

Mine are now evenly worn down to the TWI blocks, the ones on the front were just about flush with the blocks, the rears 1mm plus a bit above, they are now on the front, the ones on the limit on the rear.

 

I have achieved 53K miles on these tyres including lots of very laden towing journeys, they were part worn when I got the car.

 

Its only by rotating the more worn fronts to the rear then rinse and repeat that I have managed to get so many miles out of 4 matching tyres.

On 10/11/2023 at 08:08, Rooted said:

It is advised by most that you do not run with miss-matched tyres, but then there are those that say the best / NEW tyres go on the rear.

 

Not something i do my self with FWD cars, or even AWD cars.  But then i would not run rubbish tyres on the rear on anything even if not rear wheel drive. 

 

The Bridgestone even new are pretty rubbish in the Wet / Cold, Snow or icy conditions are they not?

The OEM Bridgestone tyres were OK - hadn't noticed they were especially poor in the cold / wet in the 6 months /12k miles since we collected it (23 plate).

On 10/11/2023 at 08:49, Sanqhar said:

Check for tyre cracking.  If you are looking for an excuse all 4 of my Bridgestones had significant cracking at under 5 years old and mileage at 20,000.  

The relatively low mileage was probably a factor in the cracking.

 

Bit late for you now but my local tyre dealer could get nowhere near the Asda price and they were Asda's fitting agent!

 

tom

Car is 6 months old (12k miles). OEM tyres had date codes of 39:22.

 

4-5 mm tread remains and all seem to be wearing evenly, although the car required a new steering rack (under warranty) and underwent tracking adjustment thereafter.

 

Incidentally Asda tyres were a bit dearer than my local independent for Cross Climates

On 10/11/2023 at 09:56, Routemaster1461 said:

I don't think it is a good idea to mix Cross Climates with summer tyres, ocd or not. Itwill probably be unsafe in poor conditions. The car would be more stable with the Cross Climates on the rear, but you would completely lose the advantages of better traction and braking.

 

As for the principe of new tyres on the rear, this was a big thing a few years ago, along with the fad for nitrogen in tyres. What it should be is the tyres with best grip in the rear. Some new cheap brands will have less grip than worn premium tyrs, and even if all of the tyres are the same, a half worn tyre will have better grip than a new or a fully worn one. With the better tyres on the front you will get better gri and steering. As I have had the misfortune of having t-boned two cars which crossed my path when I was travelling at 50-60mph, I know what I would prefer.

Costco have a policy of only fitting new tyres to the rear axle.

@pinkpantherwhen you said the tyres on the rear now were 11,000 miles on the front there was no mention of them being only 6 months old, which is rather different from maybe 11.000 miles and 2 years or more old.

 

CrossClimates can be very different prices fitted when bought at BlackCircle & fitted at ATS Euro Master or bought and fitted from ATS Euromaster.

Both companies owned by Michelin.

On 10/11/2023 at 10:05, Rooted said:

Nitrogen had nothing to do with the price of fish or the traction / grip of tyres at the correct pressures.  Correct pressures being the thing.

 

As to more stable on the rear.

Lovely when the drive, steering , braking is coming from the front and ESP from all corners.

Lovely to be stable as you try to correct a slide off the road using the ability of the stable rear on a Front Wheel drive vehicle. 

'Scandinavian flick'  maybe from drivers while trying to remember if the have Over Steer or Under Steer, and do the steer into a skid, and is the ABS providing grip to the front tyres that are less good than the rears.

 

The OP should maybe take the car as now out on a big open car park / space when wet, cold or snow covered and see just how it is and if happy to be taking their nearest and dearest out in it during this season. 

Of course I suspect I would only see an issue with  front / rear grip imbalance in extremis - I very much enjoyed an off-road  driving course some years ago where I learned to steer the car on the throttle.

 

I also had  loads of fun in a (closed and snow covered) local supermarket car park with a RWD 3.0 V6 Lexus learning how to handle the car in poor conditions. 

 

 

6 minutes ago, Rooted said:

@pinkpantherwhen you said the tyres on the rear now were 11,000 miles on the front there was no mention of them being only 6 months old, which is rather different from maybe 11.000 miles and 2 years or more old.

 

CrossClimates can be very different prices fitted when bought at BlackCircle & fitted at ATS Euro Master or bought and fitted from ATS Euromaster.

Both companies owned by Michelin.

Apologies  - I obscured the reg plate.

 

The car is a 23 plate, factory order, which I collected 6 months ago.

 

Tyres were rotated at 10k miles. 

Edited 11 November, 20232 yr by pinkpanther

2 minutes ago, Rooted said:

@pinkpantherwhen you said the tyres on the rear now were 11,000 miles on the front there was no mention of them being only 6 months old, which is rather different from maybe 11.000 miles and 2 years or more old.

 

CrossClimates can be very different prices fitted when bought at BlackCircle & fitted at ATS Euro Master or bought and fitted from ATS Euromaster.

Both companies owned by Michelin.

My local independent seems able to match / beat pretty much all suppliers,  although not generally Costco for Michelin. 

 

Given the sidewall damage I wasn't prepared to risk a motorway journey to Costco,  hence the locally supplied and fitted tyres for the front. 

 

I may well now use the current Costco offer (-£40) to source 2 more Cross Climate for the rear 👍

23 hours ago, Warrior193 said:

^^^^ agree with above - I personally have a preference for a slight tendency to oversteer, I think it is easier to correct - unless you completely overcook it and swap ends.

I recall a Citroën ZX I owned many years ago had an engineered in tendency to lift off oversteer.  

 

A very underrated car👍

Very grateful for all the input - Briskoda is an excellent resource 👍

Edited 11 November, 20232 yr by pinkpanther

10 minutes ago, Rooted said:

@pinkpantherwhen you said the tyres on the rear now were 11,000 miles on the front there was no mention of them being only 6 months old, which is rather different from maybe 11.000 miles and 2 years or more old.

 

CrossClimates can be very different prices fitted when bought at BlackCircle & fitted at ATS Euro Master or bought and fitted from ATS Euromaster.

Both companies owned by Michelin.

Never used BlackCircles or ATS - will check prices 👍

2 minutes ago, pinkpanther said:

Never used BlackCircles or ATS - will check prices 👍

Similar price to Asda tyres, although ATS more costly than BlackCircles

You can get a very different price when standing at the desk at a ATS Euromaster fitting centre. Staff who are usually very busy checking the screen & availability.

Cheaper than the website has coming up quite often. 

With the current promotion it will be £143.18 / tyre (fitted) from Costco 

@pinkpantherIs it CrossClimate 2 you fitted or CrossClimate SUV ?

Or even the CrossClimate 2 SUV.

Edited 11 November, 20232 yr by Rooted

3 minutes ago, Rooted said:

@pinkpantherIs it CrossClimate 2 you fitted or CrossClimate SUV ?

Or even the CrossClimate 2 SUV.

The latter 👍