Project 2025

[Schtum]

If this stuff is remotely true then it's potentially the big end of Trump's little end wittering about pulling out of NATO and his cosying up to Putin. It would herald the US becoming a fascist state which would have a knock-on effect pretty much all around the globe.                                                                        

 

Project 2025 is Another Part of Donald Trump's Insurrection Against America!!!

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

 

https://www.project2025.org/about/about-project-2025/

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/27/project-2025-dismantle-us-climate-policy-next-republican-president

 

If it's true it suggests that the events at the White House in 2021 were just a trial run. 

Scaremongering? US citizens would never let it happen, they value their freedom too much? You tell me....

 

[@Lee]

The Evangelical far right and Trump don't hide what they are.

They're ignorant morons and Trump has ambitions of being that which he admires. Putin or Kim Jong Un. A dictator. He's as much as admitted it. 

 

 

In Alabama they've basically given embryos the right to life. If we let these religious cult fanatics keep making laws others have to live by, men are going to be responsible for killing 2-3 million kids each time they have a moment to themselves in the shower. 

 

There's also those in the UK who admire Trump and some who emulate him  

 

Heritage Foundation is another far right think tank and I have no doubt it's linked in some way to the UKs far right think tanks based in Tufton Street. 

Slightly related but how many people know that these think tanks are funded by oil barons and tobacco giants or that the BBCs Laura Kunesseberg's sister got a well payed job with BP? 

 

If you still believe a man who lied over 30,000 times in his four years as President, you must be the dumbest fck on the planet. 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/

Edited 24 February by @Lee

[Schtum]

1 hour ago, @Lee said:

 

Slightly related but how many people know that these think tanks are funded by oil barons and tobacco giants or that the BBCs Laura Kunesseberg's sister got a well payed job with BP? 

 

 

The Koch brothers..... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/26/koch-brothers-americans-for-prosperity-rightwing-political-group

[Schtum]

A ninja distraction to trivialise and disguise his much more serious and malevolent intent...?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/20/reaction-trump-shoe-sneaker-con

 

[Schtum]

It would be appear that it's only thee and me that's interested in this post, @Lee which, given the worrying nature of its content is a bit of concern in itself.

 

I did, briefly, wonder if it was some false flag, Democrat spoof to discredit Trump because it was barely believable.  I set up a Facebook Messenger chat group with several friends in the USA who all confirm that it's genuine. 

Edited 24 February by Schtum

[pinkpanther]

13 hours ago, Schtum said:

It would be appear that it's only thee and me that's interested in this post, @Lee which, given the worrying nature of its content is a bit of concern in itself.

 

I did, briefly, wonder if it was some false flag, Democrat spoof to discredit Trump because it was barely believable.  I set up a Facebook Messenger chat group with several friends in the USA who all confirm that it's genuine. 

I suspect the lack of comment might relate to a sense of 'nothing can be done' to halt the Juggernaut that is Trump.

 

Still bewilders me that Trump & Biden are seemingly the best the US can offer 🤷‍♂️

[Paws4Thot]

1 hour ago, pinkpanther said:

I suspect the lack of comment might relate to a sense of 'nothing can be done' to halt the Juggernaut that is Trump.

 

Still bewilders me that Trump & Biden are seemingly the best the US can offer 🤷‍♂️

They're not, but they do seem to be all the Rethuglicans and Lemmingcrats (respectively) will vote for ATM.

[Gerrycan]

4 hours ago, pinkpanther said:

I suspect the lack of comment might relate to a sense of 'nothing can be done' to halt the Juggernaut that is Trump.

 

Still bewilders me that Trump & Biden are seemingly the best the US can offer 🤷‍♂️

While I agree with both your points, I would just remind you of the UK alternatives at your last election; Boris and Jeremy !!! I can't find a 'glasshouse' emoji.

 

And before some else says it, I am fully aware that the last Australian PM was a christian religious fundamentalist who not only believed in God, but also thought he was God when he secretly assigned himself head of several important Government ministries without telling the incumbents. Liberals here are the Aussie equivalent of the UK conservative party and it is loaded with absolute right-wing morons which appeal to far to many voters than they should 😞 .

 

The current Aussie liberal leader is Peter Dutton, also known as Lord Voldemort:

 

Monty Python's skit on the various 'silly 'and 'raving looney' political parties has never been more relevant, unfortunately not just the UK.

Edited 25 February by Gerrycan

[Schtum]

Ironic or prophetic....?  🤔

 

https://youtu.be/RE_eN6vRATw?si=C85Wr9KaROabns-k&t=23

[Paws4Thot]

6 hours ago, Gerrycan said:

the UK alternatives at your last election; Boris and Jeremy !

Now take a wild guess as to why I have never voted for either the Con Party or Liebour.  

[Schtum]

12 minutes ago, Paws4Thot said:

Now take a wild guess as to why I have never voted for either the Con Party or Liebour.  

 

There isn't a Labour Party. There hasn't been a Labour Party since Tory Blair was put in place by his neoliberal paymasters to drag the party away from Socialism under the guise of New Labour. 

The aim was clearly to dilute the Socialist agenda and gain power by pandering to the post Thatcher aspirations of the, slightly less than Fascist, English middle classes.

The choice of party in England is now analogous to that in the USA. Would you like your elected members to be right wing or ultra-right wing?

[Paws4Thot]

2 minutes ago, Schtum said:

There isn't a Labour Party. There hasn't been a Labour Party since Tory B Liar

You think I don't know that!? Read exactly what I wrote that you replied to and my edit to your reply (bold, underscore and italic)

[Schtum]

13 minutes ago, Paws4Thot said:

You think I don't know that!? Read exactly what I wrote that you replied to and my edit to your reply (bold, underscore and italic)

 

Of course, I know that you know. That's why I liked your post.   I added some clarification for the hard of thinking.  

[@Lee]

7 hours ago, Schtum said:

 

There isn't a Labour Party. There hasn't been a Labour Party since Tory Blair was put in place by his neoliberal paymasters to drag the party away from Socialism under the guise of New Labour. 

The aim was clearly to dilute the Socialist agenda and gain power by pandering to the post Thatcher aspirations of the, slightly less than Fascist, English middle classes.

The choice of party in England is now analogous to that in the USA. Would you like your elected members to be right wing or ultra-right wing?

 

I generally agree with you but had Thatcher not almost completely crushed the Unions in the 1980s and embarked on her Reaganist crusade of capitalism then it's plausible there would still be a more Socialist Labour Party. 

But what's happened has happened and Labour were basically forced to shift to the right as the Tories shifted further to the right and have continued to do so. 

Who knows where we'd be now if our services (Gas, Electricity, Communications, Water etc were still state owned?) 

The rot set in in the 1980s. Tories have been blaming Labour for the need to bring in austerity measures since 2010 but the fact is it was the capitalist bankers and mortgage lenders in 08/09 (Fanny Mae/ Freddie Mac etc) in the US and deregulation experiments in Iceland. 

 

Given the choice and any lack of a sensible voting system such as PR, I'll be voting for whoever is best placed to oust the Tory candidate. 

Edited 26 February by @Lee

[Schtum]

12 minutes ago, @Lee said:

 

I generally agree with you but had Thatcher not almost completely crushed the Unions in the 1980s and embarked on her Reaganist crusade of capitalism then it's plausible there would still be a more Socialist Labour Party. 

But what's happened has happened and Labour were basically forced to shift to the right as the Tories shifted further to the right and have continued to do so. 

Who knows where we'd be now if our services (Gas, Electricity, Communications, Water etc were still state owned?) 

The rot set in in the 1980s. Tories have been blaming Labour for the need to bring in austerity measures since 2010 but the fact is it was the capitalist bankers and mortgage lenders in 08/09 (Fanny Mae/ Freddie Mac etc) in the US and deregulation experiments in Iceland. 

 

Given the choice and any lack of a sensible voting system such as PR, I'll be voting for whoever is best placed to oust the Tory candidate. 

 

I'll be voting SNP as I have done for several years, in the hope that at some point we can completely disassociate Scotland from Westminster control. 

[@Lee]

31 minutes ago, Schtum said:

 

I'll be voting SNP as I have done for several years, in the hope that at some point we can completely disassociate Scotland from Westminster control. 

I don't blame you and as someone with around 80% Scot/ Northern Irish heritage I'd do the same if I lived there and had a vote there. 

I find it ironic and hypocritical that the UK must leave the Union of the EU and forge it's own path yet Scotland must not be allowed to do the same. 

 

<UK Ball>

Edited 26 February by @Lee

[Paws4Thot]

2 hours ago, Schtum said:

 

I'll be voting SNP as I have done for several years, in the hope that at some point we can completely disassociate Scotland from Westminster control. 

Likewise as it so happens.

[Ootohere]

My heart was broken.   Salmond, never wanted Independence, just a cushy number in opposition.  Less socialist than Sir Keir.   Poor Sturgeon with her spouse she met when young and at a SNP camp up in Salmons constituency.   He and 2 other SNP seniors in the clique had the business selling the stuff.  Stuff supporters but.   Then we have the current leader and his good lady.   Part of the Dundee cabal that had Stewart Hosie MP (business background computers 😆 and in politics finance and affair with a journalist now his wife and a SNP councilor ) and his then wife Shona Robinson MSP and the researcher / baby sitter and the now 2nd wife of the leader causing chaos withing the party. (Courts involved)  It used to be a North , central belt divide, then west , east.   The 89 group, the solicitors, the royalty family of the SNP who are more land owner friendly than many supporters know.     Let's see where the money went that was donated and raised by the party for the next referendum.  Let's see if the SNP can get a grip of having council tax bands updates and property in the bands.  And start keeping public and local services.  Start getting people elected that have the ability to get employed or run businesses successfully and not the incompetents from the cabal or clique they currently have.  Blind, deaf and dumb to corruption.     Let's cut drugs and crime in Scotland.  The politicians and police know who the Organiser Criminals are.  They grew up with them.   Well the first minister did in the west where his constituency is.  He lives in Broughty Ferry in the East.   His wife knows all about that area.  Family live there and she worked long enough there.  

Edited 27 February by Rooted

[Ootohere]

Alex Salmond was an Economist in The Scottish Office, married someone senior in TSO, then he worked for Royal Bank of Scotland as an Economist, Oil being his specialist subject, and a bit of gambling. 

 

A country conned by even those that were supposed to be for an Independent Scotland but liked the good life and an easy life in Politics. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCrone_report

 

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4303750.stm

 

http://thenational.scot/politics/24145789.top-renewables-firm-ceo-scotlands-energy-story-tragedy

 

 

Edited 27 February by Rooted

[EnterName]

On 24/02/2024 at 01:52, @Lee said:

In Alabama they've basically given embryos the right to life.

What an odd thing to object to... 🤔

 

That aside, IMO Project 2025 is just a squirrel let loose for Trumps enemies to chase.

It's pretty funny to see people perfectly comfortable saying, sometimes in the same post, what boils down to the following:

"Trump's a liar! You can't believe a word that he says!!!"

and also

"OMG! Did you see what Trump just said? 'Our Democracyᵀᴹ' is in peril!!!"

 

It must take some impressive mental gymnastics to be comfortable with those two conflicting thoughts rattling around your head.

 

Then again, the same people are also comfortable with "Gender is a social construct!" and "People need surgery to affirm their gender" rattling round their heads too.

(Or at least they were until the Cass Review was published. There's quite a bit of back-pedalling going on now as regards "gender-affirming care".)

Edited Friday at 07:54 by EnterName