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In essence the DSG is a sequential 'box but because of its design it can skip gears' date=' which conventional sequential (and auto) boxes cannot do. It can only skip gears when changing from an odd-numbered gear to an even-numbered gear or vice versa. So, if the situation calls for a downchange from, say, 5th to 3rd it will go from 5th to 4th to 3rd, but very,very quickly. If the need was to go from 5th to 2nd it would change directly from one to the other. Maybe you notice the downchanges more in manual (and sport) mode because don't the electronics blip the revs.for smoother changes in those modes?[/quote']

I've never noticed it "block change". It always seems to go down through each gear while braking. Extremely annoying as it removes the smoothness when coming to a gentle stop. I understand that conventional auto-boxes have to do this, but it seems they've missed a trick with DSG. I still don't understand why application of handbrake or simply releasing the accellerator when stopped cannot disengage the drive completely. Creap is unavoidable with a torque convertor but, again, DSG seems to have missed a trick here as well. My only explaination is they have to try to mimic the effect of a conventional auto-box for legal or safety reasons.

On the subject of nanual changes, I find these to be much smoother. Maybe this is because, like a conventional 'box, it's possible to time the changes better. e.g. don't change in the middle of a manouevre such as negotiating a junction or mini-roundabout, or not changing while accellerating or decellerating.

I have no problem with my DSG.

However, I have played around with the box and on occasions have noticed that it can be jerky and yes you get nodding dogs, I have personally found that this is not the box but me.

If I am alone in the car, I press on fairly swiftly, very smooth, no jerks, very rapid when needed.

If I have passengers, ie Kids, swmbo etc, I tend to drive more sedately and find myself backing off the loud pedal and the box changes and then jerks as I apply the loud pedal again, maintain the pedal pressure and let the box decide when to change.

It's a new technology that we must adapt too, it wont adapt to us.

Yes my next car will also be DSG without fail.

Go and play, experiment, it's a cracking piece of kit really.

Taz

The footbrake interlock is a safety feature to stop inadvertent selection of a gear by, for example, kids left in the car. I know you shouldn't leave kids in the car with the engine running but people do. If the handbrake disengaged the interlock, the above scenario would be able to occur.

I have no problem with my DSG.

However' date=' I have played around with the box and on occasions have noticed that it can be jerky and yes you get nodding dogs, I have personally found that this is not the box but me.

If I am alone in the car, I press on fairly swiftly, very smooth, no jerks, very rapid when needed.

If I have passengers, ie Kids, swmbo etc, I tend to drive more sedately and find myself backing off the loud pedal and the box changes and then jerks as I apply the loud pedal again, maintain the pedal pressure and let the box decide when to change.

It's a new technology that we must adapt too, it wont adapt to us.

Yes my next car will also be DSG without fail.

Go and play, experiment, it's a cracking piece of kit really.

Taz[/quote']

I'm sure all will beome clear with time.

Sounds to me that what you wanted was an electronic manual box.

I went for the DSG because it shifted without me having to play with moving a gearshift about and the system management in the main can do a shift better and more economical than I can.

As fuel cost keep rising I see no sense in burning it rapidly just to prove I can still be a boy racer.

Inspired by this thread I've created a new one relating to changing down through the box while slowing down.

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/general-car-chat/changing-down-through-gears-when-slowing-down/60257/

Where is it?

Okay - I've put my specs on and found it!!!

:eek: :eek: :eek: I love the DSG did you test drive the car before you bought it? It is a great gearbox, I have been driving autos for 18 years and this is the best, perhaps you should try a driving lesson. No offence intended.

don't have a dsg car so silly question maybe, but is it like a conventional auto with just two clutches and super quick changes. basically it has an 'auto' mode where it does all the changes, then a manual mode where you make the changes youself?

Yes. It has fully automatic and almost fully manual modes.

It is the dogs ********

:eek: :eek: :eek: I love the DSG did you test drive the car before you bought it? It is a great gearbox, I have been driving autos for 18 years and this is the best, perhaps you should try a driving lesson. No offence intended.

Hmm. It's precicesly because I've learnt how to do perfect gear changes in a manual that I find the DSG to be wanting in this department. Sure, the changes are quick, but at the expense of smooth.

I'm gradually getting used to it now and have been able adapt my driving style, it's just a shame that, IMO, a few opportunities have been missed.

The thing I would really like, is for the 'box not to have any creep once you have come to a complete stop. I don't like having to put it in neutral after applying the handbrake and having to touch the footbrake to put it back into drive.

What should happen is: Come to a stop with the footbrake leaving it in D, apply the handbrake - no creep until I re-apply the accelerator.

All normal automatics I've driven creep - it is supposed to stop them rolling back when you come off the footbrake and before you hit the gas. You are supposed to drive them with one foot only.

When I drive autos [only in the US] you just brake to a halt and keep your foot still on the brake. Then you just come off it and hit the gas - what could be simpler. I don't touch the handbrake unless I'm at a grade crossing with a mile and a half of freight train due, usually travelling at 15 mph.!!! That's the only time I go into neutral and use the hand brake - and that's only so I can get my camcorder out!!.

Silk buddy, you're car aint right. Mine is so smooth , it could pass for a CVT.

If it creeps with the hand brake on then either your handbrake is faulty or you have not applied it correctly.

I do wonder about some one who buys an auto shift box and seems baffled why it does not behave like a manual box.

Silk buddy, you're car aint right. Mine is so smooth , it could pass for a CVT.

Hmm, well I've driven plenty of autos, including CVT and mine's much more like a conventional auto. The gearchanges are certainly noticeable in my DSG, especially the lower gears. 4th, 5th and 6th are fine.

It seems to pull away ok, turbo kicks in, then it changes up, dropping the revs too low for the turbo, so you get a slowing sensation. It seems to me that all it needs, is to be altered so it just waits just a fraction longer before changing up. Sport mode is too much the opposite way - again higher gears are fine.

Looks like a trip to the dealers.

I agree with Silk: an auto gearbox, in manual mode, should behave as a manual! Unfortunately, most of them are not fully manual, as they change down while slowing down. Even some cars with manual sequential gearbox, not automatic, (i.e. Alfa Romeo 147/156 Selespeed) change down while slowing down.

I must admit that this thread has totally put me off even trying a DSG. I don't like autos at all, I actually enjoy changing gear believe it or not! I'm not so keen on having to press the clutch when in town though, so when I first heard about DSG I thought that it would be like a manual box but with an auto clutch.

I have never considered Tiptronic or any of the other incarnations because they didn't seem to offer what I want, which is to select what gear I want, when I want and not do the "thinking" for me. Looks like DSG isn't for me either.

I always come back from holiday swearing my next car will be an auto - and I've still never owned one!! The great thing about the auto rental cars is that your mind is free to concentrate on driving on the right, and unfamilar road signs.

After my Mk1 vRS, which I loved but had a clunky gearchange, I thought I'd have an auto Mk2 till I tried the 6 speed manual box.

I think it depends on the type of driving you do. I'd hate to have to crawl across London each day, constantly dipping the clutch and changing manually. And with a good auto you don't seem to need manual even on a motorway [less in fact]. And with a good manual box and little congested town driving, you don't need an auto. Puzzling isn't it!

Even in Manual mode it is still the same shift mechanism that selects the gears only you make the decision to shift and not the vehicles management system.