Bit of a heated debate I had with a biker in work.

He says that Rossi on his Moto GP bike would beat Schumacher in his F1 Ferrari around Silverstone (or any other race track)

I don't think Rossi would stand any chance. Or would he ? Your thoughts.

Rossi would be far more entertaining to watch!

No he wouldn't

Cars can take corners a lot quicker then bikes and can also get the power down better out of them as the front wheel does not lift up on a car

It should be pretty easy to check the lap records for both types on the circuits that they have in common. I

No he wouldn't

Cars can take corners a lot quicker then bikes and can also get the power down better out of them as the front wheel does not lift up on a car

Rossi lapped the Sepang circuit last weekend in 2mins 00.605secs.

Anybody got the F1 lap times?

1’34’’.. odd. Montoya

edit:yep that's the lap record from 2004

Erm ....... F1 seems a little quicker :confused:

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This might be of some interest

It pains me to admit it, but the laws of physics will win and Rossi whilst being a god that walks amongst men would be slower on a MotoGP bike around the circuit than an F1 car.

That said I am a biker through and through and whilst it's not the question, MotoGP is a gazzzillion times more entertaining to watch than F1 and the riders (most of them) enjoy taking the mickey and having a good time.

Can't remember the last time I saw an F1 driver with a personality.

If you take another comparison, BSB bikes are faster rounf the same circuits by a few seconds than BTCC cars and you could draw a broad comparrison between the classes

So, in summary an F1 car will be faster than a MotoGP bike, but only because there is a limit to the G you can take while hanging on, a limit to the forces put through the contact patch on the rear tyre through acceleration and turning and through the front on braking.

There where a couple of times last year where the desmosedici's where faster down the straights than F1 cars on the same circuits

Did anyone not see the red bull air race on the TV t'other night?

It had the Redbull F1 car against the Redbull Superbike and the Redbull Plane.

Obviously the plane whooped them both, but the red bull F1 car driven by DC was 'eeksie peeksie' with the bike, The bikes straight line speed and accelleration was slightly faster than the car (not a huge amount though) and the car was quicker in the corners, the bike could brake later though.

F1 did win by a nose out of the two ground vehicles

EDIT: Just done a search and the true story is a little different, Must have been the directors cut I watched certainly looked close.

From http://www.bikersweb.co.uk/Features/FeaturedArticles.aspx?ArticleId=705

F1 driver David Coulthard and British Superbike rider Jonathan Rea were today beaten at Silverstone by Red Bull Air Race pilot Steve Jones.

Pilot, driver and rider raced one full lap of Silverstone’s Grand Prix Circuit simultaneously in a battle of speed, mental agility and vehicle manouevrability. As the chequered flag fell, Jones was noticeably clear of his motoring competitors despite their experience on the circuit.

As he prepares to take to the skies for the UK Red Bull Air Race at Longleat on 2nd September, British pilot Jones challenged Red Bull’s motorsport heroes to a duel of epic proportions. Determined to prove that Air Racing is indeed the ‘Formula One of the skies’, Steve raced Red Bull Racing’s David Coulthard and Red Bull Honda Superbike rider Jonathan Rea around the hallowed track at Silverstone in an attempt to prove that his plane is as quick and nimble as DC’s F1 car and Rea’s 1000cc bike.

Pilot Jones won the race with a time of 1.04 minutes, Coulthard was second with a time of 1.31 minutes and Red Bull Honda Superbike rider Jonathan Rea coming in third with a time of 1.57 minutes.

Pilot Steve Jones says: “I didn’t expect to win it and was worried initially about the tight corners, especially when pulling about 10 G’s around Stowe corner. It was amazing to see the bike and car down below on the track, and to hear the F1 car when it accelerated. Races like today are why I love being involved with the Red Bull Air Race World Series and I cant wait until the next unusual challenge.”

David Coulthard comments: “I wasn’t surprised with the result to be honest, given that we know planes can fly faster than cars. I was very interested to see how the bike handles the corners from such close range especially as at times we were only a couple of metres apart. I was also surprised at how well the plane handled some of the tight turns. It was a great challenge but no one likes coming in second place. I’d like to see a replay of the race to see just how tight to the corners Steve flew!”

The Formula 1 of the SkiesJonathan Rea adds: “That was great fun, if a little scarey at times. I was doing well keeping in front of David, but down the straight his superior acceleration pulled him past just before braking into the corner. I have to say I’m looking forward to racing just with bikes again and not having to overtake vehicles two metres in width. Good luck to Steve at Longleat, fingers crossed he can win on home turf.”

should of been a redbull f1 car vs a honda v5 moto gp bike

i bet most mere mortals once they have got the ropes of an f1 car could lap faster than most bikes in moto gp could at full pelt because they are simply a lot easier to control and like big go karts imo, driver input no doubt plays a large part, although i'd say in f1 it's 60% car 40% driver, in moto gp it's the other way round, if not 30% bike 70% rider - only have to look @ rossi on his 1st year on a yamaha.

Coulthard was second with a time of 1.31 minutes and Red Bull Honda Superbike rider Jonathan Rea coming in third with a time of 1.57 minutes.

EEksie Peeksie ??? 26 seconds is a country mile.

Coulthard was second with a time of 1.31 minutes and Red Bull Honda Superbike rider Jonathan Rea coming in third with a time of 1.57 minutes.

EEksie Peeksie ??? 26 seconds is a country mile.

Ahhh' date=' i think you must be related to the director of the sequence I saw on the television........missing out on the important fact later on in that post.

EDIT: Just done a search and the true story is a little different, Must have been the directors cut I watched certainly looked close.

:P

It depends a lot on the track in question , as some will favour bikes more than cars , but in general the car will win.

The huge amount of downforce that F1 cars have gives them much better cornering speeds compared even to MotoGp bikes. Look at some of the lap records where F1 and MotoGP use the same track - Sepang for example , as has been mentioned.

Bit of a heated debate I had with a biker in work.

He says that Rossi on his Moto GP bike would beat Schumacher in his F1 Ferrari around Silverstone (or any other race track)

I don't think Rossi would stand any chance. Or would he ? Your thoughts.

Not a chance, the car is nothing more than a guided missle with all sorts of gadets to ensure it sticks to the road with impossible downforce for a bike.

As to F1 versus MotoGP in general, no competition, F1 ain't a race, MotGP is a thrill a minute.

When a race is decided by pit stop times and strategies 90% of the time, it's not a race.

I caught a 'race' a while back, first pit stop, the commentator more or less said, following a fst pitstop, barring failures, the guy should now win the race. WTF? what's that all about?

Stick 'em on one tank of fuel, one set of tyres and let proper racing commence.

Bike racing normally has more overtaking in one lap than F1 in the whole durn race. Used to love F1, now it's just silly.

Oh, and if you think MotoGP has lots of action, the 125 race is just plain nuts, 5 or six abreast heading into a corner that theoretically only allows 4 bikes EEK!

moto gp is a lot more fun.

how can they fix f1?

remove the gadgets - they are removing some of the aids in 2008

cant remember which way round but either having too much or too little aerodynamics on the lower part of the car means they have to pile aerodynamic stuff on the top which hinders cars behind trying to overtake

give everyone the same car like A1 GP.

Make the car's v12 turbo's again with 1500 bhp not a poxy 700 bhp that they have now

get rid of all the stupid rules and keep it origonal, it was better (very generalised I know!)

Not a chance' date=' the car is nothing more than a guided missle with all sorts of gadets to ensure it sticks to the road with impossible downforce for a bike.

As to F1 versus MotoGP in general, no competition, F1 ain't a race, MotGP is a thrill a minute.

When a race is decided by pit stop times and strategies 90% of the time, it's not a race.

I caught a 'race' a while back, first pit stop, the commentator more or less said, following a fst pitstop, barring failures, the guy should now win the race. WTF? what's that all about?

Stick 'em on one tank of fuel, one set of tyres and let proper racing commence.

Bike racing normally has more overtaking in one lap than F1 in the whole durn race. Used to love F1, now it's just silly.

Oh, and if you think MotoGP has lots of action, the 125 race is just plain nuts, 5 or six abreast heading into a corner that theoretically only allows 4 bikes EEK![/quote']I think you need to calm down a little mate ...

The question was what would be the quickest around a racetrack not 'what's the thrill a minute favourite' or which looks better or who overtakes the most ???

I guess you opt for the bike then.

Read the question, look at the REAL facts (lap times) and then draw a conclusion. The car is way, way quicker. Not by thenths of a second (which is massive in racing) but by a mile.

Every time a thread is posted about car v bike, people get all defensive about the bike. So many bikers seem to think the bike is faster than the car, it doesn't matter what down force is used or technology either. F1 engineers are extremely talented and what they achieve is truly outstanding.

MotoGP bike won't beat an F1 car around a track.

However, I love watching MotoGP more than F1, it's so much more exciting and you can see exactly how hard the riders are trying :D It's proper racing, they have to manage 250bhp with very little traction control, look after the tyres, not to mention the fact that if they make a big mistake, it's really gonna hurt :eek:

Schuey has tested a Ducati MotoGP bike though, think it was a year or 2 ago now and IIRC, he was about 10sec off the regular riders pace around Estoril. Not bad for a one day test.

Most F1 races can get very boring. Turkey was a notable exception tho!

I think you need to calm down a little mate ...

The question was what would be the quickest around a racetrack not 'what's the thrill a minute favourite' or which looks better or who overtakes the most ???

I guess you opt for the bike then.

Read the question' date=' look at the REAL facts (lap times) and then draw a conclusion. The car is way, way quicker. Not by thenths of a second (which is massive in racing) but by a mile.

Every time a thread is posted about car v bike, people get all defensive about the bike. So many bikers seem to think the bike is faster than the car, it doesn't matter what down force is used or technology either. F1 engineers are extremely talented and what they achieve is truly outstanding.[/quote']

I seem to remember a recent thread from you old Jonny boy about pretty much the same stuff. Off topic but;

Bang for bucks - Bikes every time

Ultimate Speed - Car every time, but hey, physics is a bitch.

Autocar recently did their 0 - 100 - 0 test and invited TWO along with their Longterm GSXR1000 K6.

The GSXR beat everything except a Veyron iirc

CAR did a max speed run on london city airport and invited a Kawasaki ZZr1400 along for the day, the Kawasaki was the fastest vehicle there on the day.

My clonky owd speed triple will do 0-60 in 3 ish seconds and to a 100 in around 7, and that is not a modern bike by any stretch of the imagination, when I hd my GSXR1000 that was awesome ,,,,, mind bending in fact.

All horses for courses but as I said, physics will always dictate that the car will win, it's not possible to make a bike grip as well .... at the moment.

I seem to remember a recent thread from you old Jonny boy about pretty much the same stuff. Off topic but;

Bang for bucks - Bikes every time

Ultimate Speed - Car every time' date=' but hey, physics is a bitch.

Autocar recently did their 0 - 100 - 0 test and invited TWO along with their Longterm GSXR1000 K6.

The GSXR beat everything except a Veyron iirc

CAR did a max speed run on london city airport and invited a Kawasaki ZZr1400 along for the day, the Kawasaki was the fastest vehicle there on the day.

My clonky owd speed triple will do 0-60 in 3 ish seconds and to a 100 in around 7, and that is not a modern bike by any stretch of the imagination, when I hd my GSXR1000 that was awesome ,,,,, mind bending in fact.

All horses for courses but as I said, physics will always dictate that the car will win, it's not possible to make a bike grip as well .... at the moment.[/quote']

And fifth gear have raced a couple of bikes round anglesey against supercars costing 10 or 20 times as much.

Virtually no difference in times with one win each I think.

I think it was Eurosport I heard comments about the top speed the bikes were getting, I can't remember exact figures but to show how well they got the power down the bikes the comparison was made for Barcelona and that the were something like 30-40mph slower out of the last corner and was quicker than the F1 cars through the speed trap at the first corner.

Sorry I can't remember exact figure but it was impressive,

This shows to some extent,

http://www.motogp.com/en/motogp/results/results_cont_41377_1.htm

Casey Stoner

334 km/hr

as opposed to

http://f1.racing-live.com/f1/en/circuits/barcelona.shtml

325km/hr

Impressive after being slow out and having all the power to get down through the back wheel.

Surely the bike would win because f1 drivers have forgotten how to overtake (unless of course this competition involves pitstops).......!

Just as a matter of interest do both use the exact same tracks ? Ya know the way you see different tracks having different possible routes due to safety etc.

Just a thought