Started looking in teir again today. Not how it used to be :(

He might have been faster in his Scooby,but he would also be quicker between fill ups ! Could not live with crap fuel economy from the Scooby,Skoda wins hands down there !

When i was at Gorners and dealing with Scooby's,even the sales staff were querying such bad fuel economy and they were used to Mercs and TVR's !!!!

my mate has an import classic STi and gets the same sort of fuel economy when grannying it as i do driving like an ***

my mate has an import classic STi and gets the same sort of fuel economy when grannying it as i do driving like an ***

but what sort of mpg does he get when ragging it...? oh wait, he'd have to actually drive it hard enough for the turbo to spool up for that...:P

willip, if you read this...screw you too...:hug:

my brothers remapped Meg 225 cup (276 bhp with turbo back exhaust & CAI) quite convincingly whips an STi, even from a standing start (launch control is now standard ).

my brothers remapped Meg 225 cup (276 bhp with turbo back exhaust & CAI) quite convincingly whips an STi, even from a standing start (launch control is now standard ).

complete ****, a FWD car will never beat an AWD car like an imprezza STi off the line, physically impossible.

all launch control does is keep the car at the right rpms untill a decent speed is reached. a FWD just cannot put the power down like an AWD car can. if you can find it take a look at the video goochie did at upper heyford of my, jonny and him racing and watch as my car takes off at the start. a FWD just cannot do that.

complete ****, a FWD car will never beat an AWD car like an imprezza STi off the line, physically impossible

I disagree that its impossible for a FWD to beat an AWD off the line

A guy i know drag races a FWD EG6 civic with a integra type r engine fitted and it weighs about 800kg and it launches quicker than most of the AWD cars he races against and does the 1/4 quicker than lots of them too,if you don't beleive me then you could always attend york raceway where he is most weekends,its best time is late 12s:thumbup:

2 cars. With near enough, identical power. One FWD, The other 4WD. The 4WD will always beat it. To a certain extent i agree with Bengie, I'd love to see a Megane Cup beat a Subaru STI from a standing start.

A friend's STI, New shape, with the PPP upgrade will do 0-60 in anything close to the 5 second mark, If not less. Whopping acceleration everytime...

there's always one isn't there

a top fuel dragster pulls away quicker than a scooby too so that must mean the AWD is totally pointless. cars setup up for drag don't really count as we are talking normal road cars.

2 cars. With near enough, identical power. One FWD, The other 4WD. The 4WD will always beat it...

That depends on how well you can take off from standing start. For every RWD and FWD car there are optimal revs for maximum acceleration from standing start. 4WD just makes it almost 100% easier to do.

And, always a quicker, more powerful launch!

You didn't say whether it was a classic or newage, but either one, a proper STi should see you off quite easily.

If a newage impreza and someone not trying hard enough, it would be easy to catch him out as there's nothing happening until 3,800-4,000 RPM.

You didn't say whether it was a classic or newage, but either one, a proper STi should see you off quite easily.

If a newage impreza and someone not trying hard enough, it would be easy to catch him out as there's nothing happening until 3,800-4,000 RPM.

It turns out that it was an imported WRX with STi badges on it :eek::eek:

I think Bengie and I have proved beyond doubt that when 2 cars with near idential power to weight ratios have a race, the 4x4 gets off the line quicker

It turns out that it was an imported WRX with STi badges on it :eek::eek:

Imported from Japan, US or the EU?

Chris

complete ****, a FWD car will never beat an AWD car like an imprezza STi off the line, physically impossible.

all launch control does is keep the car at the right rpms untill a decent speed is reached. a FWD just cannot put the power down like an AWD car can. if you can find it take a look at the video goochie did at upper heyford of my, jonny and him racing and watch as my car takes off at the start. a FWD just cannot do that.

So what happens when the AWD car's rear wheels don't have traction at the start? It's sending (for argument's sake) half the power to the front two wheels, and assuming they've got full traction, will mean it loses.

With ESP on a FWD drivetrain, the power cut is only in the first few percent of the powerband - once the drive is running, ESP (if it's activated) cuts out, sending almost all your power to your drive wheels.

Assuming the Scoob had 300HP and a 50-50 power split across both axles, that's 150HP per axle. The the Skud 230HP to front axles only. If the Scoob's rear wheels had low traction, I wonder which would win???

So what happens when the AWD car's rear wheels don't have traction at the start? It's sending (for argument's sake) half the power to the front two wheels, and assuming they've got full traction, will mean it loses.

With ESP on a FWD drivetrain, the power cut is only in the first few percent of the powerband - once the drive is running, ESP (if it's activated) cuts out, sending almost all your power to your drive wheels.

Assuming the Scoob had 300HP and a 50-50 power split across both axles, that's 150HP per axle. The the Skud 230HP to front axles only. If the Scoob's rear wheels had low traction, I wonder which would win???

Whats the co-efficient of friction for each wheel on each car? We can work it out then.

I thought the idea of AWD was that it sent all the power to the wheel(s) with traction (using a viscous coupling to engage the rear wheels)? You'll have to forgive me I copped out and took computing rather than engineering :rofl:

Chris

i thought esp was there to prevent those sketchy sidways moments, rather than prevent wheelspin?

So what happens when the AWD car's rear wheels don't have traction at the start? It's sending (for argument's sake) half the power to the front two wheels, and assuming they've got full traction, will mean it loses.

With ESP on a FWD drivetrain, the power cut is only in the first few percent of the powerband - once the drive is running, ESP (if it's activated) cuts out, sending almost all your power to your drive wheels.

Assuming the Scoob had 300HP and a 50-50 power split across both axles, that's 150HP per axle. The the Skud 230HP to front axles only. If the Scoob's rear wheels had low traction, I wonder which would win???

what a stupid comaprison to make!

that will never happen, a car will never be in the situation that both rear wheels have zero traction and the fronts have perfect traction unless the rears happen to be on sheet ice while the fronts are on perfect dry tarmac which just isn't going to happen.

and ESP would make no difference as its job is stop the car from going where you don't want it to, not about getting traction. ESP knows where your pointing the wheels and how much power your putting down so knows exactly how the car should be responding in terms of forces so if the actual forces acting upon the car aren't what it expects(I.E. you are starting to over/understeer) then it will brake the relevant wheel the car go where it thinks it should be going again.

it still doesn't change the fact that an AWD car will always be able to put more power down onto the road than a normal street going FWD car simply because 4 wheels are driven instead of two.

also in the FWD car as you accelerate the weight shifts further back over the car so reduces traction even more!

in your octavia II what happens if you rev your car to 5000rpm then drop the clutch?? i bet mine reacts completely differently

there's always one isn't there

a top fuel dragster pulls away quicker than a scooby too so that must mean the AWD is totally pointless. cars setup up for drag don't really count as we are talking normal road cars.

Well i'm just pointing out that what you said is wrong,you said a FWD car will never beat an AWD car off the line as its physically impossible

but as i pointed out,my friends civic does beat subarus,evos and the like week in week out,and its not exactly an unfair race as you would suggest,his car has just over 200bhp which is less than an subaru,so to make up for his disadvantage in the power stakes he reduced the weight of the car,its hardly cheating now is it?

but its not a proper road car is it?! and when you say beat them do you mean over a 1/4 mile or actually beat them away from the line aswell, as even setup as a drag car i doubt thats possible as an 800Kg car should struggle like mad to put 200bhp through the front wheels from a standing start where as it would take probably 600bhp+ for the AWD to be able to break traction at take off.

@ bengie. Maybe the STi driver got a poor start 3 times in a row.

Whilst I am aware of the usual STi beat everything on a standing start arguement and I am generally in awe of their technology, cornering etc I can't help but disagree with you on this one, especially the comment about no FWD could beat one of the line?

The majority couldn't I agree and laws of physics are against any FWD car against a 4WD, especially one as well setup as the STi, however here is one which did whip one quite easily.

Matt Black's Clio FWD running an LSD 450 BHP 1.8T VAG Engine IIRC GT30RS, which posted a 10.9 1/4 mile time and a 4.1 0-62 time.