Why would you need airbags if you crash backwards? Surely because of the seat position and the headrest, airbags would not be required? Sounds like a bit of a silly argument to me!

Please re read what i said.

"They" are advising "us" to have the most grip on the rear, so we crash forwards, NOT backwards, as the AIRBAGS wont help you if you crash BACKWARDS, but will potentially save you if you crash FORWARDS.

Whenever I've been pushing my fabia and lost grip, its always been the front wheels that have given up first, so I'd always bung the new ones on the front.

It seems a waste of money to put them on the back and put your part worn tyres on the front...

Personally I'd pay more and get decent grip all around. But if I could only afford two they would go on the front, as they do most of the work.

Whenever I've been pushing my fabia and lost grip, its always been the front wheels that have given up first, so I'd always bung the new ones on the front.

It seems a waste of money to put them on the back and put your part worn tyres on the front...

If you loose grip on the front you normally get it back which is what youve found, its rare to loose rear grip but recovery is less likely, especially on normal width roads, as soon as youve clipped a kerb or put wheels on the grass the problem just manifests itself. If you watch FWD race cars when they loose the rear the only way out is often to keep the loud pedal planted & pray but they have more room to play with.

Loosing grip is one thing, a slide is a whole new ball game.

More front grip means you can go faster but it puts more load on the back so if you loose the rear end you will be going that much faster

Whatever you do as long as you are aware of the dynamics & drive with that in mind its your call

According to Michelin

Michelin car tyres company : new tyre

Seems like the only reason to put them on the back is if you can't\don't know how to correct oversteer :confused:

I'd recommend buying\borrowing a RWD car and learning rather than hoping that new tyres will save you because they might not...

Seems like the only reason to put them on the back is if you can't\don't know how to correct oversteer :confused:

I'd recommend buying\borrowing a RWD car and learning rather than hoping that new tyres will save you because they might not...

Crap. I was well used to RWD and hanging the tail out when I wanted to. I had my accident in a Citroen Xantia, driving around a bend on a trailing throttle at 50mph in the damp, when normally you can do 60-65mph around it comfortably (I was dawdling that day, in no particular hurry). Newish Goodyear Eagle Ventura's on the front(the best rain tyre there is) no name cheapo tyres on the rear. The back end swapped round before I even realised what was happening.

Snap oversteer when it is least expected is far more dangerous than understeer in a front wheel drive car. Look at the racers, if the car gets bumped into oversteer they stamp on the throttle to sort in out. In a car on a road you can't do that. The natural instinct for every non-racing drvier is to lift off when a car skids, for understeer great, the car slows, weight is shifted forwards over the sliding wheels and the skid stops. For oversteer, once in a skid if you brake or lift off, the weight transfers forward and the skid becomes worse.

Don't give me this good driver bad driver crap, I drive a rwd therefore I'm a car control god b*llsh*t, in any skid your instincts tell you to brake... Therefore put the good tyres on the back.

Crap. I was well used to RWD and hanging the tail out when I wanted to. I had my accident in a Citroen Xantia, driving around a bend on a trailing throttle at 50mph in the damp, when normally you can do 60-65mph around it comfortably (I was dawdling that day, in no particular hurry). Newish Goodyear Eagle Ventura's on the front(the best rain tyre there is) no name cheapo tyres on the rear. The back end swapped round before I even realised what was happening.

Snap oversteer when it is least expected is far more dangerous than understeer in a front wheel drive car. Look at the racers, if the car gets bumped into oversteer they stamp on the throttle to sort in out. In a car on a road you can't do that. The natural instinct for every non-racing drvier is to lift off when a car skids, for understeer great, the car slows, weight is shifted forwards over the sliding wheels and the skid stops. For oversteer, once in a skid if you brake or lift off, the weight transfers forward and the skid becomes worse.

Don't give me this good driver bad driver crap, I drive a rwd therefore I'm a car control god b*llsh*t, in any skid your instincts tell you to brake... Therefore put the good tyres on the back.

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Don't give me this good driver bad driver crap, I drive a rwd therefore I'm a car control god b*llsh*t, in any skid your instincts tell you to brake... Therefore put the good tyres on the back.

Guess there's no need for a discussion thread when you can speak for all of us.

on the rear

several years ago 5th gear did a test on this, front or rear and they found it safer to put new tyres on rear, i cant remember the reason why tho, so i always put new on rear