New spec engines from Week 45

[51octytdi]

I've always thought when it came to economy and emissions, VW group's TDi engines were slightly behind those from PSA/Ford or Honda:

Octavia:

• 1.9 PD - 53.3 mpg, 105 bhp, 184 lb-ft, 11.8s 0-60, 119 mph, 143 g/km ©
  
• 2.0 PD - 47.9 mpg, 140 bhp, 236 lb-ft, 9.6s 0-60, 129 mph, 154 g/km (D)
  

Volvo S40 (EU4 spec):

• 1.6 D - 57.6 mpg, 109 bhp, 177 lb-ft, 12s 0-60, 118 mph, 129 g/km ©
  
• 2.0 D - 48.7 mpg, 136 bhp, 236 lb-ft, 9.5s 0-60, 130 mph, 154 g/km (D)
  

Honda Civic:

• 2.2 D - 55.4 mpg, 140 bhp, 250 lb-ft (184 lb-ft is wrong), 8.4s 0-60, 129 mph, 135 g/km ©
  

Ford Focus:

• 1.6 D - 58.9mpg, 108 bhp, 177 lb-ft, 10.9s 0-60, 117 mph, 127 g/km ©
  
• 1.8 D - 54.3mpg, 113 bhp, 206 lb-ft, 10.8s 0-60, 119 mph, 137 g/km ©
  
• 2.0 D - 50.4mpg, 134 bhp, 236 lb-ft, 9.3s 0-60, 126 mph, 148 g/km ©
  

The Skoda website is showing an additional emissions and economy specification section, marked "After Wk 45". Nice to see they're not standing still

Octavia (post Wk 45):

• 1.9 PD - 57.6 mpg, 105 bhp, 184 lb-ft, 11.8s 0-60, 119 mph, 132 g/km ©
  
• 2.0 PD - 51.4 mpg, 140 bhp, 236 lb-ft, 9.6s 0-60, 129 mph, 149 g/km ©
  

I wonder what they changed? Just the map?

J

[Dr Zoidberg]

Hmmm , thats quite an improvement.

I would have thought that would require physical changes as well as different ECU programming.

[Helgestahill]

Where did you find the new spec.?

[51octytdi]

Skoda's UK website, under Octavia / Specifications / Engine.

J

[mannyo]

Maybe they just retested the current engines. I know that my 1 yr old 2.0TDi is already a band C engine.

[LWCARAB]

Particule Filter ?

[yashicamat]

When is or was week 45?

[ric04vrs]

the second week in November ?

[Chris GB]

Honda Civic:

• 2.2 D - 55.4 mpg, 140 bhp, 184 lb-ft, 8.4s 0-60, 129 mph, 135 g/km ©
  

Hi

I thought I read that the Honda produced 251lb/ft @ 2000rpm?

Chris

[Wardy]

That does seem too low. I would expect that torque figure from a diesel engine putting out around 100 brake, not 140.

EDIT: Just looked it up - the correct torque figure is 251@2000...

Steve

[vimto2000]

Hmm interested in this! As mine was built on the 1st week of December!

I wonder what the difference is, as I test drove one that was pre week 45! :confused:

[mannyo]

Performance wise figures are the same, your mpg maybe better and road tax may be cheaper.

[timjfw]

How will you know if you have the new engine or not i.e. if your car was built very close to week 45?

[51octytdi]

That does seem too low. I would expect that torque figure from a diesel engine putting out around 100 brake, not 140.

EDIT: Just looked it up - the correct torque figure is 251@2000...

Steve

D'oh. I blame Wisebuyers.co.uk. They seem to have fixed the 5dr spec since I checked (it now says 250lb-ft @ 2000) but the Type S spec says 128lb-ft!

http://www.wisebuyers.co.uk/motoring/car-specifications/Honda/Civic+%282006-%29/HO001420/

http://www.wisebuyers.co.uk/motoring/car-specifications/Honda/Civic+%282006-%29/HO001409/

Original post corrected.

J

[51octytdi]

Due to changes in vehicle emissions data taking effect from 6th November 2006 (week 45), VED bands may differ depending on whether vehicles are ordered from Škoda UK stock or from the factory. Please check with your retailer for full details.

koda UK - The New Octavia - Pricing

J

[Fred_Bristol]

Hi,

I'm not going to argue with the published figures, but one comparison of published figures by different manufacturers compared with results obtained in real driving conditions showed considerable discrepances between manufacturer's claims and actual results, but Skoda's published consumtion figures were very close to the real driving conditions results.

Unfortunately I can't recall the publication, but it was in 2006. Beware of assuming all manufacturer's claims are accurate, particularly where mpg and emissions are concerned. My Octy DSG is a VED band lower than listed - and I'm not alone in that.

Presumably power and torque are relatively easy to measure on a test bed, but are the manufactuer's figures quoted "bare engine" (on a dynamometer) or installed in the car (rolling road)?

Is it a level playing field? (e.g. are BHP and PS being treated as equivalent - I accidently typed 140 bhp for mine and of course it should be PS)

Sadly my well informed automotive enthusiast friend from IMECHE is deceased, but he used to get very cross about the way performance figures from some makers were blatantly misleading.

Is week 45 the manufacture date for the engine or the assembly of the car including the updated engines?

[yeager2004]

Under pricing on the Skoda web site, the CO2 for PD 170 TDI engine is now listed as 154 (think it was 157 before week 45).

However, if you try and get the performance and economy figures from the web site under Octavia / Specifications / Engine, it doesn't bring up any info for the vRS hatchback PD 170 TDI. :thumbdwn:

If you look for vRS estate PD 170 TDI engine it brings up some details - combined MPG is 49.6 - I'm sure it was 48.something pre-week 45

Hope Skoda fix this soon!