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High quality blank DVDs for long term storage?

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Any recommendation?

I want to put my camcorder stuff onto DVD and dump/re-use the tapes but I don't want to come back to it in a couple of years and find the foil coating corroding round the edges like my early CDRs have. Is there any media guaranteed for 10years+?

Gold something or other it's called.

But perhaps other methods might be better for you?

such thing as disc data disappearing? how long do DVDs last? - VideoHelp.com

Excerpt from this page below :-

NO! Data does not just "disappear" off your DVD-R/DVD+R discs.

The more likely explanation for "bad media" is one of three things:

1) The media was not tested to begin with. It was authored wrong, files left off, etc. It was incorrect to start with, or bad media to start with.

2) The drive reading the disc has been damaged. Lasers have a relatively short lifespan. Both burners and ROM units. This includes DVD players, CD players, etc. It may also simply be dirty.

3) The disc has scratches, dirt, smudges, scuffs, film, or some other issue that causes the laser to refract light at a bad angle. A warped disc can also do this. Disc warping is a side effect of disc wallets and cases that do not allow the disc to stay flat. Wallets and sleeves submit discs to scratches and other abrasions (sometimes too small to see with the eyes).

How long will my DVD-R/DVD+R media last?

NOBODY KNOWS! Various labs have run "aging" processes on media, with varying results. Most show that media will last for decades without any problem. Some results have even shown that dye-based media will outlast pressed metal media.

TO INSURE YOUR DISCS WORK WELL AND LAST A LONG TIME,

DO THESE THREE THINGS:

1) Use GOOD media (DVD-R,DVD+R).

2) Verify the data has been successfully and flawlessly burned

3) Properly store the media

Edit: This post was ONLY about dye-based media (DVD-R, DVD+R). Phase change media (DVD-RW, DVD+RW, DVD-RAM) is entirely different. DVD+RW and DVD-RW can die, as the crystals inside can break down, and yes, it can happen in a matter of months (used or not!). DVD-RAM's phase change materials are more durable, and should last as long as dye. The phenomena known as "disc rot" is a process by which metal decomposes, and this is something only found in pressed metal (commercial release) media, like CD-ROM, DVD-ROM and Laserdisc.

Also - later on in same thread

Dye-based media (CD-R, DVD+/-R) use different dyes that are susceptible to damage from UV light, heat, and humidity. Some dyes can break down in as little as 3 months (CD-Rs that were not cured before the sputtering vacuum chamber in order to save costs.) A good quality CD-R using phthalocyanine dye (most of them) should last about 70 years if it was recorded well and kept in good storage conditions. DVD+/-R use a less stable cyanine or azo-cyanine dye as well as a sandwich construction. They are more susceptible to humidity than CD-Rs and are less tolerant of changes in flatness. The best they can expect is about 35 years under the same conditions. These estimates are based on environmental testing according to the Eyring formula and using two stress levels of heat and humidity.

Phase change media are not affected by light, only heat and humidity. If the targets used for the evaporated metal are correctly chosen and have no contaminants, the discs may last even longer than dye-based equivalents. Certainly DVD-RAM, with its dielectric thermal layers, is the longest lasting of the common phase change discs. The problem with phase change materials is that the quenching/recrystalization process depends on the uniformity of the shape of the recording laser. If that varies because different drives are used, then problems arise. The greatest problem, however, is incompatible formatting. That causes more losses of people's data than any other factor in CD-RW problems.

What about buying 2 External HDD, then you have a backup of the other. The price has come down a lot.

Nearly all the media ageing tests are done under ideal conditions.

eg cool, dry, dark etc.

I wouldn't trust a DVD for more than a couple of years myself.

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I would have preferred to have some "inert" media that would last a long time rather than some sort of computerised solution like basic RAID array or duplicate HDDs.

Sounds like I should keep all my originals on tape. Progress eh? :rolleyes:

Yes.. i wouldnt trust CDs/DVDs for long-term storage... i just horde things on hdds.. almost at the 2tb mark in this house now :rofl::rofl:

I would have preferred to have some "inert" media that would last a long time rather than some sort of computerised solution like basic RAID array or duplicate HDDs.

Sounds like I should keep all my originals on tape. Progress eh? :rolleyes:

How many film DVDs you got, how old are some of them ? I'll bet the age of some will surprise you.....

CDs in people's cars - some will keep the same ones, rotate them and play them over several years.

Admittedly the early CDs would flake / deteriorate - but recent DVDs and CDs do not seem to.

The top quality brands are Taiyo Uden and Verbatim - but you'll pay a hefty premium.

Basically use a good quality brand, ensure 'write verify' is used (not burning completely up to disc capacity also helps as most errors tend to ocurr on the outermost periphery), store the DVDs in a cool dry place - and not in plastic sleeves as these can tend to bond.

I reckon you'll get 10 years plus easy given the above precautions.

Re quality - I used to use Bulkpaq printable 16 speed -R (50 for £6.59) but according to user reviews recently these do seem to have markedly deteriorated (of the 500 or so I've burned of discs bought prior to these reports I've maybe 4 coasters and some of that might be due to very heavy multitasking and disk activity). I've just bought Bulkpaq Blue non-printable 16 speed -R (£4.99 for 50) and burned 4 DVDs at 12 speed. Faultless.

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I tend to buy cheap media whenever I need it as I only use them as disposables - tv shows/music/films I'm not bothered what happens to it afterwards. Its all the photos and now home video footage that needs storing safely. Video takes up so much space in raw form that I'm not sure what to do with it, something like 10gb/hour from miniDV.

If you want to store data on DVD just copy the DVD onto a new one every 1-2 years and verify the data. :)

I've seen plenty of "Quality branded" dvd/CD where there are data issues. The dye in the disk reacts with UV etc over time and deteriorates.

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