I would file it under TRUTH and BULLSH*TING DEALER.

The Octy has to get the new engines because of the new emissions regulations.

Regarding the 1.9 PD 105 TDI. No it isn't quiet in the slightest, even for a diesel IMHO. Take one for a drive before you consider buying one.

You've got 204 and RWD.. what are you complaining about? :P

I’m not…..honest:rofl:

It's a BMW :P

:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:rofl: Only kidding, I couldn't find a Skoda one

I have been "assured" by my Skoda dealer that the new engines will only be used in the Fabia and that the Octavias engines will remain until 2010 !

Hands up those who think his story should be filed under FICTION ??

Also ... I have been in contact with other dealers who confirm that the 1.6 FSI is only available in SATIN GREY for anywhere near or on the 1st I have now changed the order to a 1.9 TDI PD ... is this engine pretty quiet ? I have never owned a diesel before.

Your dealer is mostly talking porkie pies and isn't doing his homework.

It's already been said but i'll reiterate the point: The ever tightening EU emissions standards mean more modern engines NEED to be fitted to keep below the targets set for exhaust gas emissions. Don't forget the EU CO2 targets imposed on manufacturers so it's in their interests to stick the greenest engines in their cars.

And don't think that because Skoda is the 'poor relation' in the VAG family they are last in the queue for the latest engines, that's simply not true.

As for the 1.9TDI - Not the smoothest derv out there (by a country mile) but very frugal compared to the 1.6FSI and will be much nicer to drive thanks to the extra torque. A good choice IMHO

The engine changes will only be a positive thing, smaller turbocharged petrols will offer better fuel consumption, lower emissions and better performance. Next generation diesels will be cleaner, quieter and smoother.

2.0FSI: 150BHP, replaced with 1.8TSI: 160BHP, better MPG and lower emissions.

1.6FSI: 115BHP, replaced with 1.4TSI: circa 120BHP and again better MPG and lower emissions.

1.9TDI: 105BHP, replaced with 1.6 CR-TDI: circa 100 and 130BHP and surprise surprise, lower emissions, quiter, less smokey and generally cleaner in the case of the derv engines.

The CR 170 TDI will be superior to the PD engine in many ways. Probably a better power/torque curve, more reliable DPF system and quiter when cold and at idle. Probably 3-5mpg better too.

The only negative thing with the turbo petrols might be when it comes to servicing but I can't confirm that.

The only negative thing with the turbo petrols might be when it comes to servicing but I can't confirm that.

Progress is a good thing

I think that the smaller petrol and the 1.6 CR-TDI are a big mistake. I can just imagine a 1.4L Octy with four adults catching the driver out on a hill start with four adults on board because the driver has not remembered to wind up the turbo enough to create some power!!.

Why could VAG not follow BMW's example and make similar capacity engines to the current ones and iimprove their efficiency.

Also I would agree that the smaller petrol engines will be more highly stressed and require looking after.

Smaller capacity engines with turbo/superchargers are the way most manufacturers are/will be going. The charged intake air effectively increases the engine's displacement so it behaves better than a larger N/A engine. Driver aids such as hill start assist and such like will also help.

The 1.4 if fitted with a supercharger will no doubt provide a surprising amount of torque just above idle to counteract any potential hill start issues. Modern ECU's work hard to prevent the engine from stalling.

And like you say, these engines are becoming more complicated and more working parts = more demanding maintenance and more chance of mechanical failure.

Smaller capacity engines with turbo/superchargers are the way most manufacturers are/will be going. The charged intake air effectively increases the engine's displacement so it behaves better than a larger N/A engine. Driver aids such as hill start assist and such like will also help.

The 1.4 if fitted with a supercharger will no doubt provide a surprising amount of torque just above idle to counteract any potential hill start issues. Modern ECU's work hard to prevent the engine from stalling.

And like you say, these engines are becoming more complicated and more working parts = more demanding maintenance and more chance of mechanical failure.

We all need at least 2 turbochargers………………….oh hang on a minute, I have 2!! Works a treat too:thumbup:

We all need at least 2 turbochargers………………….oh hang on a minute, I have 2!! Works a treat too:thumbup:

I have 2 TDI's out the front, does that count? :P

I want a multistage turbo setup in mine please, one per cylinder

I have 2 TDI's out the front, does that count? :P

I want a multistage turbo setup in mine please, one per cylinder

and a few superchargers for good measure;)

You can never have too much 'blow' on your engine

Two turbo's... Boom- Boom...

Where's my warranty..............

Two turbo's... Boom- Boom...

Where's my warranty..............

I thought that was the start of a Basil Brush joke................:P

Turbos are miles more reliable nowadays and don't go bang as often as they used to. Read 'early Saab Turbo' for that.

Obviously they need regular oil changes or you will be getting very familiar with your local dealer

Your dealer is mostly talking porkie pies and isn't doing his homework.

It's already been said but i'll reiterate the point: The ever tightening EU emissions standards mean more modern engines NEED to be fitted to keep below the targets set for exhaust gas emissions. Don't forget the EU CO2 targets imposed on manufacturers so it's in their interests to stick the greenest engines in their cars.

And don't think that because Skoda is the 'poor relation' in the VAG family they are last in the queue for the latest engines, that's simply not true.

As for the 1.9TDI - Not the smoothest derv out there (by a country mile) but very frugal compared to the 1.6FSI and will be much nicer to drive thanks to the extra torque. A good choice IMHO

OK thanks. He has said that he will do the Diesel for £1,000 more than the 1.6FSI (Book price is just over £1,500) and since he has already thrown in metallic paint, car mats and front mud flaps I think thats a good enough deal to buy now.

I am going to take it for a test drive on Saturday just to make sure I am happy with the drive / noise level

OK thanks. He has said that he will do the Diesel for £1,000 more than the 1.6FSI (Book price is just over £1,500) and since he has already thrown in metallic paint, car mats and front mud flaps I think thats a good enough deal to buy now.

I am going to take it for a test drive on Saturday just to make sure I am happy with the drive / noise level

Good luck

Let us know how you get on with it. Try and get into the car from stone cold so you can see how it sounds before it's warmed up and quietened down a bit.

I am going to take it for a test drive on Saturday just to make sure I am happy with the drive / noise level

Just keep the windows closed, and you won't notice much. Outside of the car, there's a very distinct VAG TDI sound, especially at low revs. Not much of a problem, as I don't usually sit around listening to the car.

You can never have too much 'blow' on your engine

I've never heard it called that before, I'll she if she knows what to do if I ask for a blow on my engine

Well guys I took one for a test drive and insisted that it was NOT warmed up before my arrival.

Impressions from standing outside the car are 'sounds like a taxi' Going to be running the wife and child around so its going to be used like one too so I didnt mind that at all.

Sat in it with the engine running and asked the sales guy to be quiet (quite an art for them !). Could tell it was a diesel but it was much quieter than I had imagined.

Test drive went well and no issues to report. Got back to the showroom and finalised the deal ... Octavia 1.9 TDI PD Elegance Hatchback + metallic paint + mats + front mud flaps + gap insurance + paint & upholstery protection for £16018. To be delivered on 1st March.

Sales guy said he had never sold a brand new one so cheap (hmmmm).

Happy soon to be Octy owner !!

Well i'm a bit ticked there is gonna be a new engine in the vRS when I specifically asked if there were any updates coming when I got mine last September.

Something to look forward to in 2010 I suppose when its time to change.

thats becuase back in sept there was NO actual proof they were changing so soon, nor was there any details out about them. TBH thats what i would have said until i had some proper information on the newer engines.

of course they might not have access to the wealth of information on here

Test drive went well and no issues to report. Got back to the showroom and finalised the deal ... Octavia 1.9 TDI PD Elegance Hatchback + metallic paint + mats + front mud flaps + gap insurance + paint & upholstery protection for £16018. To be delivered on 1st March.

Sales guy said he had never sold a brand new one so cheap (hmmmm).

Happy soon to be Octy owner !!

good choice!! you must have some good luck virus left over from red dwarf

I think that the smaller petrol and the 1.6 CR-TDI are a big mistake. I can just imagine a 1.4L Octy with four adults catching the driver out on a hill start with four adults on board because the driver has not remembered to wind up the turbo enough to create some power!!.

Why could VAG not follow BMW's example and make similar capacity engines to the current ones and iimprove their efficiency.

Also I would agree that the smaller petrol engines will be more highly stressed and require looking after.

Well, have you test driven the new 1.4TSI engine? I can promise you that IT WILL move 4 adults with more than adequate speed.

You can show your rear end to people driving unmodified VAG 1.9TDI's with ease

The Octavia version will use the new VAG 1.4TSI construction with one turbo charger. It's the same engine in the new Superb. 92 kw roughly 125hp, 200Nm of torque. The maximum torque is available between 1500 - 4000 rpm's, so it's a much more wider torque curve than in diesel engines.

And what about the 1.6 CRDI? Well Kia Ceed moves nicely with that, so I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be a sufficient diesel engine for Octy also. You have to remember that it has exactly the same hp and torque as the 1.9TDI but the torque curve is wider.

Also I don't think that smaller engines are stressed any further than larger ones. These engines are designed for turbo's. They're not old 1.4 mpi engines with a turbo slapped to the side.

any signs of the scout tdi being changed ? :confused:

They're not old 1.4 mpi engines with a turbo slapped to the side.

oh well in that case im cancelling my order!

Probably not for the Octavia this one but on a recent trip to the factory, a trip around the engine plant revealed a 1.2 TSi engine - replacement for the 3 cylinder Fabia engines :confused:

So does anyone know in real-life date terms when the Fabia engines are likely to be updated?

Probably not for the Octavia this one but on a recent trip to the factory, a trip around the engine plant revealed a 1.2 TSi engine - replacement for the 3 cylinder Fabia engines :confused:

As I remember the 1.2 TSI is a 4 cylinder engine with 105 hp so I think it will replace 1.6 petrol in Fabia. The engine is develop by Skoda.

Probably not for the Octavia this one but on a recent trip to the factory, a trip around the engine plant revealed a 1.2 TSi engine - replacement for the 3 cylinder Fabia engines :confused:

That will be a VERY interesting engine. If I remember correctly the new vRS Fabia will have a twincharged 1.4TSI engine putting out a hefty 170hp.

I dont think anything has been officially confirmed or denied about the Fabia vRS engine wise.

To be honest the Fabia 2 suprised me a bit as its going to be way behind the rest when the new Ibiza is launched. The Ibiza is first to use the next gen platform, Polo will follow and the Fabia has now got to be a way off before they get the new stuff.