you will be pleased to hear that it is indeed ok

they phoned me up to tell me they were outside my house , when they should of rung me 30 minutes before arrival , i told them to wait

got the PS3 up and running as well , it takes the P155 though that neither the TV or PS3 come with a HDMI lead

so GT5 currently on low res :(

you will be pleased to hear that it is indeed ok

they phoned me up to tell me they were outside my house , when they should of rung me 30 minutes before arrival , i told them to wait

got the PS3 up and running as well , it takes the P155 though that neither the TV or PS3 come with a HDMI lead

so GT5 currently on low res :(

Pleased it worked out for you. The HDMI thing is a real pain. Guess the leads are too expensive to include? I didn’t get one with my TV either.

Glad its finally sorted Ric.

Cables that come bundled with the kit are pants anyway, decent cabling is underrated imho - get a nice HDMI cable and you won't regret it!

I suppose that if every bit of kit contained a HDMI cable (assuming it was a quality one) we would soon end up with more cables than we needed and then be whinging about paying needlessly for extra cables……………………I think I have just defeated my previous post.

Good job I am still wearing my coat.

I suppose that if every bit of kit contained a HDMI cable (assuming it was a quality one) we would soon end up with more cables than we needed and then be whinging about paying needlessly for extra cables……………………I think I have just defeated my previous post.

Retailers love the missing cables - it's an easy high-margin add on.

Glad its finally sorted Ric.

Cables that come bundled with the kit are pants anyway, decent cabling is underrated imho - get a nice HDMI cable and you won't regret it!

But HDMI is a digital signal so it shouldn't make a blind bit of difference so long as the cable can carry the signal... it seems as pointless as the premium gold plated optical cables it's transmitting light the gold makes no difference!

OP: Glad you've got your TV woes sorted Enjoy

Correct, any old HDMI lead will do. For normal runs, a £5 cheapo one will be the same as a £50 gold plated one. Its has been proven on a major AV forum that this is the case, dare I say it but anyone who thinks otherwise has fallen for the salemans blurb. Currys, Comet, etc all make well in excell of 100% margin on these supposedly good cables that cost little more to produce than the £5 one. The signal is digital and is unaffected by cable quality on normal runs upto 3M.

The only time a good cable comes into play is with analogue signals, eg. scart leads. Then there is a noticable difference.

I think the gold argument can still be used as it shouldn’t oxidise. But I agree in as much as a lot of the recordngs that people listen too have been made with bit of bell wire and cheap phonos joining kit together.

Retailers love the missing cables - it's an easy high-margin add on.

I have a large carrier bag of unused cables and then some. It’s really useful when I need that special RCA to 32Amp adapter, but a bugger to find and pull out.

Correct, any old HDMI lead will do. For normal runs, a £5 cheapo one will be the same as a £50 gold plated one. Its has been proven on a major AV forum that this is the case, dare I say it but anyone who thinks otherwise has fallen for the salemans blurb. Currys, Comet, etc all make well in excell of 100% margin on these supposedly good cables that cost little more to produce than the £5 one. The signal is digital and is unaffected by cable quality on normal runs upto 3M.

The only time a good cable comes into play is with analogue signals, eg. scart leads. Then there is a noticable difference.

Hmmmm , I'm not so sure it's as cut and dried as that.

Yes , it *is* a digital signal but poor cables can attenuate this , and if they do so to a point at which errors are introduced then you will have issues.

At work we have a few 40" sony screens being fed from PCs using DVI to HDMI cables. There's about a three metre run that goes through the wall to a floor socket by the PC and we found that with an ebuyer cheapie cable from PC to floor we would get distortion on the picture when running at 1080p but ok at 720p - black backgrounds would have sparklies all over the place and dragging windows caused some breakup.

I replaced the cheapo lead with a 10 quid better quality cable (physically it was obviously more substantial) and the problems went away.

On a short run from PS3 to screen you are unlikely to notice any difference , but it *can* happen , especially if you have further to go.

Pleased it worked out for you. The HDMI thing is a real pain. Guess the leads are too expensive to include? I didn’t get one with my TV either.

No HDMI leads are twisted Pairs and cheap as chips. Nice high margin on them though

Actually it's a really bad (IMHO) spec as it's only really good for shorter runs.

Any cable that meets the spec up to 1m and you are fine. Past 1m then the slightly better cables include additional shielding and use better copper which means less induced errors and so the TV won't have to do error correction.

I wouldn't spend £50 on them for sure.

No HDMI leads are twisted Pairs and cheap as chips. Nice high margin on them though

Actually it's a really bad (IMHO) spec as it's only really good for shorter runs.

Any cable that meets the spec up to 1m and you are fine. Past 1m then the slightly better cables include additional shielding and use better copper which means less induced errors and so the TV won't have to do error correction.

I wouldn't spend £50 on them for sure.

Nope , me neither.

A decent 10-15 quid cable would get my money

I have many cheap HDMI cables from CPC, never had any problems.

Issues generally arise on longer runs. But my £20 15 metre HDMI cable has no issues, and manages everything up to 1080/60p

I agree with Mark though, it's a damnation of a cable, or more specifically, the connector. It's even worse than a digital counterpart to scart. Having such high bandwidth on such a poorly designed connector is criminal.

Point taken about oxidising, but then again, if it's plugged in and well designed, it wouldn't oxidise

Edit: to be honest, I reckon the actual HDMI electronics have the bigger influence. Well designed electronics will be able to manage a moderately badly equalised cable with distored signal. I've had instances where a cable works fine for some devices, but plug it in another and it's flaky. Change the cable and it's fine again. So shows the actual electronics hardware has just as much to do with any issues as the cable itself

No HDMI leads are twisted Pairs and cheap as chips. Nice high margin on them though

Actually it's a really bad (IMHO) spec as it's only really good for shorter runs.

Any cable that meets the spec up to 1m and you are fine. Past 1m then the slightly better cables include additional shielding and use better copper which means less induced errors and so the TV won't have to do error correction.

I wouldn't spend £50 on them for sure.

I still think they would cost too much for the manufactures, after all they put cruddy batteries and phonos made from cheese string into their goods. Even instruction manuals are appearing on disc sometimes:(

Bring back proper copper!!! (not Dixon of Dock Green either)

Point taken about oxidising, but then again, if it's plugged in and well designed, it wouldn't oxidise

I have just had to clean an alleged gold plated banana plug as it had oxidised slightly. Even though it was in constant contact with the metal of the O/P post. Must have started before it was inserted, probably grease and acidy stuff from my finger triggered it (i sound like an Alien with Acid for blood and goo in her fingers!).

I have just had to clean an alleged gold plated banana plug as it had oxidised slightly. Even though it was in constant contact with the metal of the O/P post. Must have started before it was inserted, probably grease and acidy stuff from my finger triggered it (i sound like an Alien with Acid for blood and goo in her fingers!).

The whole point of gold plating is that it doesn't oxidise unlike other wires.

I still think they would cost too much for the manufactures, after all they put cruddy batteries and phonos made from cheese string into their goods. Even instruction manuals are appearing on disc sometimes:(

Bring back proper copper!!! (not Dixon of Dock Green either)

The cable itself (copper) is pretty much the same as the CAT5 network cable so cheap as anything. The connectors are mass produced so also fairly cheap. I'd suggest under $1 if you were buying 10's of thousands of the things to go with every product.

I'd suggest they will claim it's green so they don't make a load of cables peopel never use

and then this evening your daughter could have rung up to say the hard drive on her laptop is knackered :(:thumbdwn:

At least it wasn't "...I'm pregnant..."

The whole point of gold plating is that it doesn't oxidise unlike other wires.

I know, that’s why I said it

The cable itself (copper) is pretty much the same as the CAT5 network cable so cheap as anything. The connectors are mass produced so also fairly cheap. I'd suggest under $1 if you were buying 10's of thousands of the things to go with every product.

I'd suggest they will claim it's green so they don't make a load of cables peopel never use

I have been a Pro Sound Engineer for 25 years:rolleyes:

I have been a Pro Sound Engineer for 25 years:rolleyes:

My point was that the cat5 like cable is going to cost no more to put in the box than any other cr*ppy cable they include and probably a lot less than the mains lead.

Cat5 is a very valid cable when used for powered audio going to your speakers. It's cheap, and if you're that determined, you can platt multiple pairs so that they are more electrically immune to interference.

Remember the three characteristics of a cable that can affect the signal it's carrying: capacitance, inductance, resistance. Generally, the less you have of that lot, the more neutral the cable will be.

edit, we're veering way off topic here

When you watch telly (eg BBC Athletics) all the Commentary circuits are sent up to 2,000 ft down Cat5 cable back to the Sound desk where it is mixed into the programme.

OT but interesting none the less

Anyway, Ric won't mind as his problems are solved and he has a nice new TV to watch with a screen in one piece

Steve

OT but interesting none the less

Anyway, Ric won't mind as his problems are solved and he has a nice new TV to watch with a screen in one piece

Steve

Well that’s the grey area between OT and interesting chat. A thread has come to a natural end ie the telly has been fixed and we are all pleased, but some other related side issues have appeared. It is unlikely that it would be worth starting a new thread (we would fill the place with threads if we did that) but we continue to discuss related items in the original thread and don’t upset anyone. I think it is a natural, understandable and to be honest, sensible way of going about things. It’s what we do in real life during a conversation.

The tricky bit is for a Mod to distinguish between this natural and harmless development and pure annoying twaddle (of which I have never poster …..Naturally)

I have no idea in the world what could have lead to that sort of response Amanda... :rubchin:

I'm off to ponder that. Goodnight :wave:

Steve

So basically we are saying buy a couple of HDMI connectors and some STP cat 5! :P