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Now we get into whether it read the USB and whether the radio serial file incremented. As been said there as missing radio logos still in the file or put another way, not in the file. A further chance that the part code of the unit isnt in the file. It was in MartiniB's why it worked. This is where I like to say do it this way rather than take the high road. If you used a Mac you'd need to use CleanMyDrive to get out Mac rubbish which will trip validation.
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Reckon it could be how they do maths or shaving a year off... Signs are so far VW have not put up their navigation releases so far for November 2023 for mib2 standard (that's this one), mib2 high or mib3. So a positive sign they haven't got the mib3 one out yet, may be they have fallen asleep on the job. Mib2 high and Mib3 has been secured by other routes. Direct server. That leaves the VW mib2 standard release for November that hasn't been found. The German community Skoda board aren't saying anything. On the maths the 5 year rule would put 2025 as the point. 2024 being the last. They might have shaved a year off but where is the mib3 one ?. We believe mib2 high will go on for a couple of more years due to Audi using that on the TT after 2020 for a couple more years. Could be production issues. So in summary: MIB3 and Mib2 high have been located but not indexed onto the VW web page Mib2 standard hasn't been located or indexed.
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You can always simulate that it's working with a laptop with usb-c and see whether anything is going over on it. There have been sufficient moans on boards about nothing happening when plugged in using them when we know the reason and the wrong ones are bought... I'll have to check my two one of these day. 😉. Just a neat solution having a reversible one. Then you got the pin out as they brought in usb3 on usb-a. I wonder whether those adaptors hit all the pins (probably why they say usb3 in the adverts means they do). There is a back row of pins. Speed test domain. You'd have to oggle in side any bought and laying about. I got bitten by a usb-a extension cable I had knocking about once which suffered from the reduced pin out of the original USB spec. Then bought a usb3 usb-a extension cable, the correct one for the job. The old cable ground the speed down to the original speed of the spec. If it's written that way with usb-c the adaptor it will work but if it's written with usb-a then you got the issue of whether it's the correct one for the job. Those Chinese imports. I'll leave this here 😉. The issues will circulate on what pins these adaptors actually connect. https://www.moddiy.com/pages/USB-2.0-USB-3.0-USB-3.1-USB-3.2-USB-4.0-Connectors-and-Pinouts.html Give the low cost of the reversible usb-a / usb-c memory sticks compared with the cost of an adaptor if you have to use usb-a you might as well invest in a reversible stick. That's the logic of what is being said. It's a Skoda recommendation elsewhere on the board and as I said I found someone's Seat firmware update failed to work after buying the update but using an adaptor, the root cause was the adaptor. The people that say the map update isn't working for me may well have a problematic adaptor although there are mutters about the firmware release that you read.
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Well I reckon that is a mib2 from the 69 plate year. Does it have USB-A or USB-C. Latter are oval connections. USB-A are rectangle. USB-C Mib3 which means 2020 and on. Hence why I reckon it's USB A with the rectangle connection. The maps are different between Mib2 and Mib3. Hence the need to know. Next does it have a map card in the SD slot in the glove compartment to drive the maps. Mib3 won't have an SD slot either. If you got maps with no SD card and it's mib2 then it's a Columbus which is generically called a mib2 high. Probably is that. Pass on Škoda connect services, if a mib2 high use MartiniBs latest post get yourself a 64GB SD card or a USB capable of holding 64GB. https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/518018-columbus-map-update-2024-mib12-high/ Use MartiniB's first post and first link to VW servers. Use my the PDF I referenced here: You copy to a USB or SD card as per the instructions and kick off the update, it will take 40 minutes or so but will stop and start if it looses power. Gets there in the end. Well if it's not a Mib2 high we'll start again with what it is. Mib2 high's have what is called a juke box, repeat pushing the media button will show the Jukebox... that's the unused memory in the SSD in the unit next to the maps that can be used for audio. If it's using a map card new instructions. The map card will talk about maps on it. I will pass to Skoda connect experts if anyone wants to pick that up else we'll go down this route.
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On the Seat side of things on Mib2 people have replaced the screens where they are broken. The question is whether that mess is generated in the screen or in the box in the glove box. Reckon that will be in the screen. It's just taking a gamble. The person who replaced the Seat one got one without the navigation button ie. They bought the wrong one without navi. It worked fine they had to get navigation via the main menu. So the pin out of the screen is common just the buttons are different. It lacked the navi button. You could see from the launch materiel the range of screens and boxes. As long as the screen fits in the gap the screens were interchangeable least in that case on the mib2 line of things. So least at a pinch you can fit a non matching screen without navi. Pass on the j and m thing. I'm wondering whether yours is really mib2 but you'd tell from the map card. If say they changed the data flow between mib1 and mib2 then the screens may work differently. The ssp 163 for an Ateca if you Google it shows the slots where you put your keys to take it out. Page 46. Page 44 and 46 on what was fitted on that model. You need something equivalent for your model or erwin. As said the data flow into the unit and pin out was the same. Just the buttons different to the with and without navi but it worked. I told them they had bought the wrong screen after finding the right screen... You pull it out. Disconnect the cables and put the replacement in. Component protection is in the box not on the display screen.
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I did wonder how much you were unravveling from connect services. Is it true that you can knock them onto Wi-Fi and do it thay way or do you still get done for the online connect payment. Here you'd never get a decent 4g signal for a reliable update on the drive that way. Rural Wales with rolling hills 4g doesn't get down the other side 🤔... not very strong. 2g electric smart meter fine. I do get home wifi on the drive for coding. 😉. I'd still buy the reversible usb or do it on my laptop which has usb-c on it. Take out the wobbly stuff.
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Actually @pcbbcis the star 👍. Just remembered how he did it and QAed your text against his procedure of where that figure came from. This is when he explained to me which figure I should use. Seat never got online services so by studying my original 15 that I had in the unit you could see I needed 14 from the code logic, whilst those with connect services (online) needed 32782 to make it work. The code to put in varies by not online and online, not what you are on at the minute, although that tells you how it's currently configured. Its how you want to configure it that counts. A reboot is required after the code change to get it to take it.
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Well it's been known. Off eBay or Amazon you get what they are selling. On the Seat board people have stumbled with their bought firmware updates. I've referred them back to the retrofit seller and it's turned out it was the adaptor when I've chased them up. On this board they tell you to use the reversible ones if your port is usb-a only on the PC / laptop. That's on their guidance to map imports in mib3. Having additional bouncy connections won't help also an issue. Cheap enough to buy a reversible one for the job.
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The map period changes yymm or mmyy whatever it is changes. Don't use an usb-a to usb-c adaptor once plugged in. Use a usb-c memory stick or a combined reversible one. That's another issue. Adaptors pass voltage not, data. That's come up on mapping and firmware updates of the upload into mib3 not happening due to the connection of a usb-a only memory stick via adaptors / cable.
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It's a mib2 high. The coding should be set to 32782 Your current coding indexes groups of TMC providers. Online + VW TMCPro. Change to 32782 it brings in Inrix plus the kitchen sink... a group of others. I've closed down the laptop so can't paste them in.
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I've tracked down @pcbbc seminal post with the logic in it for mib2 high. That json if you want to look at. Studying that shows the values to get it to Inrix for mib2 high as tabled. Tap the white area above the thumbs up gets you there. Page 20 》》 For MIB2 High… Replace 15 with 14 Replace 32783 with 32782 Yes, you will lose some services abroad when in Finland or Hungary. Of course you can code back to your original value if you ever visit there. For reference the TMC json configuration file for MIB2 are in the Mib2\NavDB\mapStyles_eu\0\default\x\navigation_styles_XX_EU.iso and look in folder Ti for file paytmc.json 《《 Hit the right bit below it takes you there. It's tri above. Thats the scientific method. It's the SetId that does the deed. Itis is Inrix indexes to those numbers without and with online. Your 72771 currently gives you online + VW TMCPro but not Inrix. 32782 is what Pcbbc said... not 32783 that you said. Wrong... my later career was on QA 🤣
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Your Karoq 2018 won't be mib3 due to the 2018 date. The second check is do you see usb-a or usb-c. The latter is mib3, former mib2. If the latter (mib2) which it certainly will be from the date does it have an SD card for navigation, if not it's a mib2 high (columbus). We have to do that to split out the mod required. SD card mapping the modified files and old maps... specified above. If the maps are held on SSD it's the coding solution. Now @pcbbc did have guidance on what to put in. I'd change to the recommended on the thread if it's a mib2 high. There is a tree in the map files which pcbbc explained to me much earlier up which is where the numbers come from. Thats how he got that number. It's banding which is in the map files. You can use the scientific method and read the files or the experimental method and just try the recommended number. I'd have a nose up when Pcbbc came up with the mib2 high solution and how it went down on the Skodas. If however your system is running with an SD map card then it's not coding but changing the contents of the SD map file.
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Standard has the SD card in it... not so low 😂.
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Maps showing without a map card on a mib2, then mib2 high. Pcbbc is not a Skoda owner, a cherished Audi mib2 high owner where we hope mib2 high map updates will continue for some more years. I've got a Seat Plus which is Seat name for a Columbus. Pcbbc has a funny twiddly knob to do stuff I know that. MMI had to Google. Audi name for mib. This link is Audi centric. Needs updating. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi_Media_Interface
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They should do but the systems people are frightened users will make it work better so handicap it from user access. They haven't got the big resources of Apple or Google to produce systems that work well and lock them down so they aren't open so they can't be improved. They had a contract chasing down the mib2 enthusiasts trying to close down their distribution website. Corporate thing of managers not understanding IT. Connected cars of mib3 and the new system interface of MQB Evo which was like a pack of cards balancing. The VAG group resource VW to sort out the issues but leave Skoda and Seat till last. Not sure where Audi are on that one. Perhaps they never got MQB Evo. Personally I think diesel gate led to them skimping on QA of systems and that goes through till today and the current model range problems. Pretty daft thing to do to try to evade US pollution law with a diesel car. Americans aren't stupid so looked to see how they were achieving it. More science than anything else.
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The other simple check: If usb-c sockets it's mib3 If usb-a socket, SD card slot and a CD/DVD slot mib2 if manufactured 2015-2019. 2020 saw mib3 introduced by Vag. Mib3 has a blanking plate in the glove box where you'd see the SD and CD/DVD slots of mib2. Then if it is a mib2 whether it's a mib2 standard or mib2 high. First uses SD for navigation. Second SSD for the maps. Columbus mib2 is a mib2 high unit. Each Vag brand gave it's own name to the standard and the high but generically standard or high, SD based mapping or SSD held maps.
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Thanks. Yes that signature file must link into what it puts into the unit rather than what it's going to do or something like that. Why it has a file name in it, that's not in the import. Seeing signature files is generally bad news meaning it's locked. They must have done a good job of that. Question now is whether mib3 files will be carried over into mib4 like maps, radio logos, if not the life expectancy of those to be updated is in question. Maps are probably 5 years or so last conversation but radio logos could be like the mib2 user POI import much shorter. Now you see it, now you don't as they sign off on it and pull the ability from their websites. Vag pulled official user POI import very early, soon after 2020 from their website leaving unofficial add on third party apps where signature checking was not enforced. Radio logo import could disappear quickly if the mib4 file structure for them is different. They haven't made it to Seat at all yet in update form yet (4 years on), whilst Skoda is via the unofficial VW route. Feels like a crunch point is 2024/25 when mib4 surfaces and whether the existing radio logo files for mib3 can be imported. If not the mib3 logo update work by Phonostar will probably cease if it's like previous history. That will be any easy check for VW and Skoda users who have current working files for mib3 at that time.
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Think I'll stick with the ones loaded into the Mib2s (factory) we got with the supplemented graphics. They probably put those boxes around them to make them stand out. Feel free to try editing the VW out of the Mib3 parameter files and switch to SE, just to see whether a simple edit messes up the integrity of the files.
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An uphill struggle for Seat customers @MartiniB. Phonostar don't reckon they are responsible for Skoda 🤔. Sadly we can't help you in that case. Although we provide our logo database to the VW Group, Skoda decided to update their download package on their own. Therefore, please contact Skoda directly. Kind regards Your phonostar team Must mean they expect Skoda to provide the file. As for Seat looking back at old downloads they did have the 'SE' identity in atleast one of their past files, they aren't in this release. Any experts on editting these files. Needs SE in place of SK for Seat in these MULTI.MNF file and MAIN.MNF I'm think if a Skoda user changed the VW part to SE and it still worked in a Skoda it will pass the test. Seat people with mib3 haven't had any success yet. Also this French link https://forum-auto.caradisiac.com/topic/566543-leon-4-maj-données-radio-et-logos-des-stations/ They were confused about it identifying a file that isn't in the download. I reckon that might be looking at where the file arrives in the unit to do the signature check hence why you don't see that file name ?. Any takers for the challenge of what is going on and whether if you edit a working file that a Skoda reads replacing the VW to SE in those files it would work on a Skoda on the import. That would test whether there is a signature check on the files being changed. Reckon that could be the element that the French Seat people were umming and arring about. There is a signature in that file but unclear what that file is. It could be that Seat mib3 people having perfected the art yet of reading off a USB-C into the unit.
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In your part of the world you get auxiliary heating. That apparently is left off the Seat app. So where people in East Europe have fitted it themselves on Seats using Vag parts they can't access it remotely. Probably in Seat's Spain it wasn't planned as a remote access option. Where Skoda envy comes in from one Seat poster. I can see with EVs on a cold day you switch on the AC before going out to the car. People are managing to do that with Seats on hybrids / EVs, that's fitted to remote access. Pre-decing before you get in 👍. You'll be able to do your bi-annual navigation map upgrade on mib3 until they stop that. Probably doesn't cost them that much money to turn Here Maps data into the mapping upload. They would just be paying Here Maps a license fee as long as its not on a unit basis, it's just their internal / contracted out processing. Reckon they would keep the 5 years on that.
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Nice to have the reassurance but then mib3 navigation was a backwards step to mib2. Hopefully it might get sorted in mib3. Limited favourite destinations that can be stored. No POI import. I use the old Skoda trick of import destinations in as POIs and then save the POI as a destination in mib2. A bit of work with x,y coordinates and POInspector but once saved they are in. Useful for journeys, stopping off point etc. Google POIs are hit and miss. So you can turn mib2 into an old fashioned GPS system. TSR integrated which its not if using Google. No faffing with cables. The question with mib4 is how much they will change the navigation import file as they did with previous mibs.
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Although Discover Care was a bit of a disaster package so might have been pulled for that. I'm not going to do the maths for VW but it will hinge on when the last unit was fitted plus 5 years. I reckon mib2 standard people with the UK TMC DIY fix can soldier on another 5 years with old maps to 2030 (maps ~8 years old by then). Mib2 high with any luck we get a couple more years based on the Audi TT on @pcbbc reckoning and UK TMC fix. Nice EV will then await for 2030. You don't need to change your car that often 😇. My thinking will last out to 2030. My normal model of making cars last out. Mib5 for me if VAG doesnt go under or if the local dealer doesn't change to BYD or something. Seat have this Cupra bump in the road as the Seat brand is scrapped for Cupra, what will happen to dealers. I could see some that don't get relabelled Cupra will walk on the sales side. The added dimension that Seat owners have on the next model.
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