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TMC is only the UK and France as far as I know. Going to become more clear I reckon when they put a weblink to the mib2 high map and not mib2 standard - are they waiting for the mib2 standard one to come out of QA. If no link to either then it would appear they have done their discontinued + 5 years calculation for the mib2 standard and high but as Pcbbc said it should run on longer for the Audi TT in mib2 high form. We'll see.
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Well it depends whether you have a map card in it, Discovery Media or not which is the Discovery Pro. The Pro uses an SSD. This thread is for the VW Discovery Media if it's a VW. Your existing map release will be xxxx the other check, 4 characters. The Pro is MartiniB's other thread. 350 is the latest. xxx, three characters. 2.5 whether it's a Discovery Media or Pro use the same maps as 2.0 subject to type, SD storage or SSD.
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Thanks. Ive been told the Seat mib3 part identifier is missing from the January 2024 file, but whilst the Skoda one was missing from an earlier release as you say. I had noted moans on the net about that. So you came in after the Skoda ID went in the file and it worked. Those part indentifiers you can see in the firmware update files least in mib2 which is how the guy who just said it's missing to me on the Seat side knew, probably. So it appears you have to look at the firmware, examine the radio download logo file then tell them the part number is missing. Nag 1. Nag 2 is to get the missing radio logos put in. I here by elect Seat people with mib3 to nag them to make that file useable. It feels we might be getting somewhere.✔️
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@MartiniB did you do the nag cycle on that email address to get your radio station logos added ?. How many months did that take from when you started to when they got added in the release. It's the RDS PI code I believe that the unit looks up in the SQL database and pulls out the Logo.... ditto DAB. No data entry in the SQL database, no logo. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Data_System I see elsewhere on the net in mib3 once you do a manual radio logo update it then offers you the over the air one of the same. Probably a programming bug. They may have fixed that now, but something which should not surprise. I see Phonestar also offers internet radio apps one being a Google TV app, standard phone apps and broadcaster software apps. Thus it should be no surprise to them to see they have anomalies between radio stations in one service they offer as an internet stations and what is missing from the VW database they maintain for VAG. It's that correction cycle that is the key.
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Yes it was rookie error of copying @Pcbbc version 2 mod unzipped into the route directory of the card rather than a copy and replace within the file structure of the maps directory. Thus it was only seeing the original files not those which were deposited to one side. Being a Seat you had to do the workaround of moving forward the overall.nds file. That had been done why the V14 maps were working but not the mod. Then it instantly worked once the mod files went in the right place by an overwrite copy. Nothing special about mib2 standards Seats other than the overall.nds workaround copy if the updated maps are newer than the original. In this case they were.
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Great. I reckon you search under the missing logo station in media.info and in the example I did below. Lbc-news. You give them the link to each station missing a logo. The media.info site has the station logo shown under "other" (if you go in at the right page.). https://media.info/radio/stations/lbc-news You list the station links off and tell them you need the logo put in to the phonestar database for the VW. My write up for the mib2 manual method where you can do it yourself was here: https://www.seatcupra.net/forums/resources/radio-logos-mib-2-only.43/ That was the old mib2 method to fill in missing logos that were not in the VW published database. Now you look the link page up to the station and say get it done to phonestar since you can't do it yourself.
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In the meantime I think it's what MartiniB said in the post: "Škoda's users don't have to contact to Phonostar" . . . life hack, if you have any questions to [email protected], write them as VW user You become a VW owner and tell phonostar of your missing radio stations. Hope they take that onboard and it gets put into a future release. Whilst I'm cross posting between Seat and Skoda sites the script to get the media.info ones was here... probably needs editing now. https://www.seatcupra.net/forums/threads/station-logo-downloader.465980/ A clever clogs could take that output file and compare with the Mib2 ones which we can assume are the same as the mib3 then tell phonostar the missing ones as a VW owner naturally 😉. Something a youngster can do in no time....
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They are officially posted June and November each year. Sometimes early, sometimes late, but generally available via direct link that is identified ahead of the web page being written around them. VW Mib2 standard ones run 6 months ahead of Skoda ones so you are always better off using VW files. Basically that is the golden rule use VW over Skoda or Seat. Currently, no sign of the VW mib2 standard ones, which is either due to a production problem or the dreaded end of life (EOL). End of life is 5 years after the last production car was shifted. Slight mute point when the last mib2 standard was sold. 2019 would sort of suggest hard cheddar. Mib2 highs on the other hand were still being fitted in Audi cars, the TT for a couple of years more. Once the VW navigation update page is published for this round which is late, although we know the mib2 high files, it will give a good idea. There have been production issues before. If June comes and goes without any news on the mib2 standard then that will be it.
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Afraid, the Mib3 one is protected with a password. Mib2 isn't. It might also be signed... goes on about that in the files - different from check sum. Silly old VAG wanted to protect their stuff but delivered something not finished with gaps in it. Better to have open systems. Mib3 is nearly 5 years old, and hacking isn't that great at the minute. You'd have to look at when mib2 was "broken" in VAG terms against Mib3. Mib2 is fully opened up now by hobbyists, giving user flexibility. On the logos they just haven't done their work, VAG / Polestar. Lacking QA in the finished product and because they were frightened of users getting into the unit via the back door, didn't build user logo import into it or user POI import. Result, you can't backfill missing logo's in the files that are supposed to be complete, which you could legit ably do in mib2. I will continue till mib5 comes out or abandon VAG. See what mib4 is like when it appears this year.
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Beauty of word suggestion... just as well I don't talk dirty on the keyboard 😇 Mind you the UK LBC News and Times Radio are still missing from the Mib2 SQL file as far as I can see.... perhaps as they don't get broadcast they never get put in the database whilst they are in https://media.info/radio/stations Begs the question that whoever constructed the Phonestar database logo misses out broadcasters. Seat people did produce a script to rip out (scrape) the media.info ones at one stage generating the discontinued VAG site ones for mib2. The odd ones you can do by hand as a manual task. Here lays the Mib3 issue they discontinued the user ability to back fill logos they left out via a simple png import. Seems to be Phonestar needs to scrape the media.info ones then we'd all be happy.
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Basically they are an "in-fill" file for when the logo isnt transmitted over the air, over the air being DAB, FM not having the ability. Lazy DAB broadcaster don't all transmit them not seeing it as important, cost saving etc. If they are broadcast, but change the nature of the station (it happens in the UK a lot) you get the old logo not the new station logo if the backup method is missing. That's really the back up logo file if it's not being broadcast. Those backup files that get out of date or it was never in there. For mib3 people the question is whether the connected services update keeps up with the source which is presumably Polestar provider. You can abridge any delay in the update or mistakes on Vag by going directly to the Polestar files which is where you got the additional logos from. The mib2 in-fill I use the traditional one at a time method. https://www.seatcupra.net/forums/resources/radio-logos-mib-2-only.43/ Now you have the bulk update method for mib2 then the post fix method for mib2 for those still missing. It's the post fix that's missing for mib3 as they locked unauthorised unsigned imports down unless I missed something. I see there are projects but I don't think it's been cracked thus you are still locked into what Vag ordain can be shown as logos. For mib3 where connected services have lapsed the Polestar file comes in handy or any mismatch / time lag in connected services up. Will have a nose in the mib2 SQLite file to see whether they ever put Times Radio in. I have simple needs. That one I put in by hand. Think LBC News was another issue I put in by hand. It's all those "new" stations that come out but you have no logo for them at the time unless you upload them in mib2 using the manual import each image at a time to a favourite.
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Good find MartiniB on mib3 I'll propagate your thread on the Seat side. See what you mean it's a bulk update. What is missing out of the UK ones that come factory installed is the commercial station Logos, like Times Radio etc. The BBC and also RTE in Ireland get transmitted over the air. Like Chris above. I dont have mib3 so I can't test. I didn't get it to open in SQLite to have a look. It does seem to be saying something about encryption. If one could look inside those files then one could check the radio icons. There is a challenge for someone. I'd expect to see the graphic icons. It's that SQLite file where the UserData is the key. Mentions Encryption 1. Where the unit has the password built into the unit to open it us as "Encryption 1". That way you could do comparisons without loading it up.
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That's called cross posting. This thread is about the mib2 high. That link has the old release on it, 330, not 335 which MartiniB posted on here, the subject of the thread. The latest mib2 high release for November 2024. MartiniB is always on top of the subject. Well 99% of the time. Little does he mis which that site has. Those links are put together for advertising clickbate, hence the adverts running on them 😉. There is no clickbate on the mibsolution site but what both sites miss is a discussion thread unlike here, thus if you get into trouble the solution isn't on those sites. Ditto Mr Fixit. What we are looking for at the minute is the mib2 standard November release which isn't there. The Skoda old hat one is, the June 2023 release. The only purpose of these alternative listings is to cross check for those in the know. The map file links are probed out of the companies servers ahead of publication with a linked company web page. It's how it works for the maps. The firmware is lifted off the dealer's VAG system and filed away by the not for profit hobbyist mibsolution people. Basically that is the two methods of the source identification. The rest is publication with or without support.
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I see I already sent you a reply🤔... saying similar in July. Feels like you are nearly there.
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Did you do the Seat "workaround" unless you do that I don't reckon it would work. For Skoda you won't find that mentioned except when I say... since they have unlimited mapcare on them whilst Seats don't. So it's that plus the TMC instructions. You'd do b. on this I did for Seat people using PCBBCs material: https://www.seatcupra.net/forums/threads/updating-the-inbuilt-mib2-satnav-mib2-tricks-and-lost-mib1-card-solution.388586/page-136#post-5037297 Then you follow down and do the standard Seat workaround which means use that overall.nds file you'd saved before you deleted it ! But if you have lost it, a working one is here: https://www.seatcupra.net/forums/threads/updating-the-inbuilt-mib2-satnav-mib2-tricks-and-lost-mib1-card-solution.388586/page-134#post-5031532 That attached zip file holds the year dot overall.nds file that fixes all subsequent releases (generally). You'd download PCBBCs map file link. Do the workaround. test for map showing not the TMC test. Then use the PCBBC file DiscoverMedia2_EU_AS_1430_V12_TMC_Update_V2.7z Then do this bit... it's a drag and drop: - Unzip the TMC Update to the same SD card, replacing any duplicate files. Then back to the car. A reboot by long hold on the on/off switch is always a good idea when swapping cards, causes a re-read from scratch. In the above I got you testing you could see the maps from the 1430 map release using the workaround ahead of the TMC mod. The TMC mod is that drag and drop of fragments to overwrite. Don't think the key overall.nds file for the workaround gets over written but if it does re-write the one that works. Like the original or the fix all. You have to sit back and wait for TMC data to come in. Clear as a bell. Suspect it was the overall.nds file of the workaround. A 2016 car with maps of that period would be seen as an upgrade for the 1430 release and you'd need the workaround to make it work.
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I'm not going back to the adhoc arrangement mobile phones drop down the dash. The FIS / VC put the next turn on the dash in front of you. Adhoc solutions don't. Admit the Google maps has advantages with the POIs better built in. Mib2 is more like a standard GPS system and can be made like it. Old Skoda tricks to do that, that I use. Yeti reckon that will be on mib1 probably not Android Auto ?. Maps no longer issued free. Horses for courses. See what mib4 is like next year. I'm waiting for mib5 🤣. Offline mapping is useful for travelling abroad and in rural areas where 4g is zero. Best to use both 😉.
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I'd say the issues they had on the European map Skoda fixed but haven't fixed yet on the RoW. Generally VW is resourced better but in the past the Skoda library of files has proved useful.
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You open the door every 15 minutes to keep the power to the unit if using the SWDL method... I think you can do it with the door open... I always open and close. That keeps the power on to the unit. I normally start if off, get back to the car after 15 minutes, get in, check, lock, get back. About 30 minutes in or so in two walk abouts... on European map it finishes in circa 40 minutes. Useful in that you can see what is going on, unlike the normal method of driving about and waiting to see whether it's done it. That part update is useful if experimenting with the files. Can take a bit of nimble finger work till you get it right. You don't click all but toggle the bits you want which would be navdb and Australia in the VW link if it didn't work. You'd go June release, then try a part update to the November release on the basis that the corruption might be somewhere else. Suspect the VW file will be fine and it's Skodas mess.
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One should always do that else its thrashing the SD interface.
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Feels to me like the RoW map still has the original issue of the European map till they sorted it out. I'd look at the VW RoW lighthouse file link at the top, if it's anything like what happened on the European side. Skoda made a pigs ear of it. It wasn't the zipping but the internal files they had messed up. Us that aren't taken by the branding twaddle just use what works 😂. The files are interchangeable. The SLA1 signature check protects the integrity of the files so it won't be the unzipping. It's passed the integrity check which is what happened on the European Skoda files but they had on their server files that didn't load in the car. They actually went live with that and pulled it. VW has yet to go live on those links as not on their website. Ah you are using my SWDL method. You have to upload a working one to get it back. Try the VW first then revert to your old file for the time being. There is other stuff going on which is where a second level of integrity checking kicks in.... My long years of playing with SWDL. You can do a part update with SWDL. If you can't get the VW one working either. Reinstall your old one then do a navdb update using just Australia on the latest. My old test when playing with European maps. I use Iceland as the test, 5 minute quick load. If that doesn't work, you reinstall just the old Australia map fragment back onto your old maps. You play about with the SWDL commands to get it to do part updates. The beauty of SWDL.
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We don't get auxilary heating fitted in UK cars... this is where the EV / hybrid people start their defrost early using the app. Quite happy to use built in maps.
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I'm planning to skip mib3 and mib4. Think about mib5 in 2029/30 🤣. Mib4 is 2024 on some models, like next year. I can see on EVs putting the heating on via connected services before you get in it has benefits. Seat side they still have problems that over the air mib3 updates that are incompatible to other software in the car, so whilst issues were fixed they get unfixed by Vag with over the air mib3 firmware updates leading to a trip to the dealer to update the offending item. Driving a dumb car seems to have many advantages till the bugs are sorted out.
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I note on the Seat side one person was having an issue with a firmware update for mib3 that they had bought. It wasn't seeing the drive letters come up which has also been mentioned. I referred them back to who they bought the update from and the suggestion was to use a dual usb drive (sub A) at one end opposite end usb C. The ones you reverse between PC and car. That worked. On map updates Skoda people here advised it's best to use one of them for offline mib3 updates. On another thread when I was researching Skoda experience on mib3 offline map updates. I'm wondering where this may be the cause of people's issues using adaptors / plug and socket leads, that don't connect all the pins. The other issue is the old Mac one. You must use cleanmydrive once it's copied to the USB if using a Mac. Old mib2 high Mac user chestnut.
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Yes they were out growing the 32GB card as the six moth updates passed. Its the level of detail on the maps now.
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You could read the contact pleaser label and see what is in it. The key jabbing. It will be the membrane type of switch as JR I would guess. I use to use contact cleaner on something or other, Volume knob on things in the old days. Too long ago,
