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I've yet to see where 32783 goes in on Obdeleven. May be 14 is sufficient as the tmc provider set as far as Obdeleven ?.

From 2015-2019 model mib2. Standard if it uses a map card. High if the maps are on an internal SSD. If you hit media button and eventual says juke box that's a mib2 high. Alternative way of find a mib2 high from a mib2 standard. The juke box is the spare SSD space on the high unit you can also store music on.

Ok I think we'll stick with fresh maps but no TMC on the mib2 standard... not much traffic in these rural parts of Wales. As for the mib2 high, the current setting of 15 wasn't doing too much as I posted up above so may be I'll try 32782 later... if it will take it. Guess it will knock out foreign services if you take it abroad. 15 was a set that matched those and the UK TMC free service.

I got access to both units but being a big lazy and too hot to sit in the car 🤔. It is true that the mib2 standard uses TomTom maps for a few years now. The files are put together by a German company that VAG uses from the cartography of HereMaps for mib2 high, TomTom for mib2 standard. It could be the where with all is in the standard maps. I'd like to get it working on the high first (mine) rather than going off on one on both. There isn't much traffic round here and signal strength is low round here why I'm not rushing into fiddle with things.

For mib2 high it may come down to finding the correct value to stick in Obdeleven. My current screen unchanged: I did manage to loose a post just then 🤔. Recreating what I said. That 15 I believe is the TMC Provider Sets if the post below is correct. https://www.golfmk7.com/forums/index.php?threads/enabling-tmc-in-the-uk-is-it-possible.386243/page-2 May be 1021 or 21 are good ones to try. You save and reboot the unit to get it to take. I had this conversation on the 15 setting with someone who used VCDS a few years back. Retrofitters never returned the unit back to them correctly set up, so I gave them the 15, but they were on different codes. Trusty DV52 / Don on this post. https://forum.obdeleven.com/thread/6614/enable-traffic-information If 32782 is the solution then for Obdeleven it's a question of getting it in. Don's end post has the 15 in it.

Nah. Telegraph readers it's the blob.

No they just pulled the plug on what they thought was a legacy system and the user companies didn't want to pay up. Connected cars have a subscription basis so that income they can divi up to the providers. TMC was funded by the companies from car sales. Google Maps and Apple advertising income come from being part of their eco system. Those and connected cars spy on your location and travel speed to feed into the system road conditions. TMC used roadside radar and Highways data. I believe their is a market in traffic condition data used by Google, Apple, TomTom and connected cars which they sell to each other where Microsoft Bing get it from and TomTom. You probably get taught this at Uni if doing a degree. I did read it somewhere 😉.

They have infotainment centres that have sat nav 😂. They are using the Seat dealer retort to why the maps can't be updated, use your phone. Well ofcourse they have moved to connected cars using 4g for the traffic data in those infotainment unit with built in mapping systems. One suspects that if you analysed the car manufacturers they have probably all moved to them on new models and regard TMC as a legacy system pulling the plug early by not funding the provider excluding those that keep Inrix going.

Yes the units are scalable on how they want to sell them. Skoda and VW got free map updates on the built-in one whilst Seat and Audi didn't. The FeC controls what is unlocked in them in how it behaves. Like buying a TV which is 4k but only works in HD since it was cheaper to make them with all bells and whistles but selling them at different price points under software control. That the Function enablement code (FeC). That's how they get the variations between what is sold by country, model and brand. All core hardware and software. The firmware is specific but people do install the wrong brand onto their cars so you'll see people say that is Skoda software on a Seat etc. They got hold of the wrong file. The actual mib2 unit can be installed across brands, same hardware. At the end of the day people have to do their own research on what they are buying not be suckered into the sales speal or think they can upgrade after. Some can't be.

FM the Government wanted to sell the FM band, they have gone off that now. In Eire DAB has been closed down so only FM. The Government also wants to sell the Freeview band as well giving public broadcasters an issue. The right have been plotting that for a time. It's gone away at the minute. Technically, Freesat could get discontinued if Sky get everyone onto broadband reception. Cake and eat it.

Well it's Android Auto or Car Play if you bought the car with the licence. VAG on MIB2 licence what you can use. Most VAG vehicles least on the Seat side were sold fully licensed for Android Auto / Car Play. Pass on Audi. Elsewhere, out of the UK, they may well be sold differently. I seem to come across German posters on boards without Android Auto / Car Play installed. In the UK dealers would sell the cars as built in maps are use less, use your phone. Might be OK if you live in a good 4G spot and people say download the maps if you don't. If you have TSR you want to use the built in system. There is a reason for integration. I wouldn't trust my smart device to have a blip whilst you are driving.

He did an internet search of the boards and gave a garbage answer 😂. Telegraph is like that now.

If its a pre 2020 car with mib2 AA or Car Play enabled that can be enabled by FeCs. Post 2020 it's a mib3. Skoda didn't vary from the VAG brand. The issue is with Mib2 standard and high units which Skoda call Amundsen and Columbus respectively. There is a toolkit and firmware updates that will give you AA / Car Play. They are developed by a network of enthusiasts that have unpicked Vag software. Something similar exists for standard unit. A retrofitter can enable the FeCs if the model was sold with navigation but not AA / Car Play and its a mib2 standard or high. Basically it's the units which ran from 2015 - 2019 mib2s which have fallen into the TMC trap. Post 2020 models including 2020, namely mib3 got connected services but you pay for them with a renewal license.

If we do get a DIY technical solution to hacking it onto the other provider can we have a big puff of smoke.

Indeed the worry with connected cars they will just turn the facilities off. The map updates they run for 5 years after they upgrade the mib so on map a 2-3 more years on that for mib2. Mib3 one suspects that the integrated traffic reporting on that will go to 2030. Over the air software updates to the firmware will go if they pull the data link. The map updates are a forrunner to how things will be in connected cars. Mib2 firmware they stopped developing circa 2020 so there are no more bug fixes on those. Hobbyists taking over. On mib3 if there is some development on Android / iOS in the future that limits, then people using that approach now will be stranded, ditto mib2. If they choose to change the screen emulation of those systems then they wont be happy bunnies with their best friend smartphone unable to connect. That's the one to watch. It's really the IT development in cars that need the long term care together with the mechanics. Keeping legacy systems going. On that one Vag don't have a good reputation, deleting mib support pages as the next mib comes along. POI import a case in point.

Practically I don't reckon anything is going to happen officially, it all rests on whether users can get the alternative data in somehow. The alternative method is to follow the other cars in front on a Google maps rat run when a traffic jam occurs and peel off to get to where you are going back using the cars sat nav. I've done that one. If driving yourself... helps to have the co partner on navigation. Old school methods or use Google Maps etc.

VW tend to be the brains and it's them that terminate services in the past.

I don't trust them to pull the plug on online software car updates, which connected cars use. You can put these on AA or Apple if you wish but the point is the car was sold with TMC. The INRIX technical solution will be the answer if one exists, other than that providers of the TMC data service have done the dirty on its users.

2020 so it's 3 years old for some and the plug pulled out. Reckon they will do the same for connected service. Mib4 and then the plug pulled on Mib3 soon after 2025. More like disconnected services.

I did read it takes a time to build up. I don't know how that works but isn't suppose to work instantly. May be it will arrive. The mib2 standard people can nibble at that end. You'd have to force a reboot on the standard one I guess. The high possibly does that if you used the back end menu. SWDL.

I don't think the standard unit uses the route meta checksum, some times you see it on downloads other times you don't. It's more there for a human check than a machine check. PCBBC will tell me if I'm wrong. It's the Mib2 high which is tight on fiddling. Why on the Mib2 standard people delete the language files to save space, swap the countries around get the unit working out of zone. Better test bed to experiment with than the Mib2 high on this. I'll wait for clear instruction :). Too many cooks and so forth. Got one car with a high unit on it, the other with a standard unit. So can test if anyone gets it working. Between you two or more. BTW when you compute the checksum you take out the checksum and signatures etc. I've used this in the past but I dont' think for the standard unit you don't need to bother with checksums. The POI files where it comes in more on those. That's where I've had to do it where VAG introduced new users IDs for the model so one was editing the POI input file from Poinspector prior to the programmer getting the new ID into their program. Was a Seat wifi standard unit issue now fixed. The last time I had to get my head round it. SLA1 signature check on mib2 high stops map fiddling but we'll see what PCBBC achieves. The Mr Bonk method / mib2 collective as I call them will I guess edit the map file within the unit so circumvents the check. That's how the Aussie is doing it. https://download.cnet.com/MD5-SHA-Checksum-Utility/3000-2092_4-10911445.html

Those are the firmware releases, not map releases which is the thread.

OK I've found that material await your testing. I can say I've never edited an ISO and put the material back inside. We are also looking for champions (I am anyhow) to turn MIB3 maps into MIB2 high ones when they pull the plug on mib2 high maps in a few years time. Chillout said it would be cool. I was hoping that would be taken onboared. Wait to see how it goes on your edit.

I was avoiding fiddling. The mib2 standard if it's in the map files can be hacked. Mib2 high they are signed so can't be edited. Had a look at the link, Mr Bonk the the mib2 high collective. I do have a version of that toolkit on my Seat, how I got the Skoda life long navigation FeC on my Seat Mib2 high when VAG did the dirty on one release and left Seat off. The tool sits in the green menu and you run it to give you retrofitter tools as if it was on a bench. They put all the retrofitters tools in it. Avoids signed updates. They found a way of side loading it into units due to a flaw in the Vag signature check so it slips into the units under the radar. I'll wait till after my holidays to fiddle with it. You really need an expert on a forum to help. I had one. The tool is paired with the firmware release you are on. It reads that. If it's in the database you get paired. If not they write one for you, hopefully. That's how it worked then. It latches onto the firmware. It uses developers hooks that were left in the firmware... so runs as test code. It might better pair now. I did look at more recent copies of it and it seemed to pair differently. May be more generalised. Come across Audi OZ person on the MartiniB map release thread who had installed the Audi firmware. They have generalised their work now to produce firmware avoiding the signature... for the Australian they had it set up against the EU maps FeC. I got them onto the toolbox to alter the FeC to RoW... It was working then... They did need Mr Bonks help, I'd said press a button, needed some one else to say what to do, I gave them the FeC, 99% there, I said press AddFeCs they hadn't. That's when it became apparent it was more generalised in how it paired. You always reboot after using it so the changes get taken. Given you only use it once for a job... It gets hazy after. We are still looking for a champion 😍. Btw the other Audi folk that appear on MartiniB navigation files thread will have the mib collectives firmware on them (aka Mr Bonk). They do this for the life long navigation FeC. They then seek help to get the maps in on them normal stumbling blocks. The toolkit gets added and then may be deleted at the end. These are the "AIO" prefixed releases. All in one. Had people that say, no don't want the toolbox installed then don't get the FeCs they were installing it for. There are toolbox versions for mib2 standard. If it was something that was useful on the TMC side it might have been added to the mib2 standard toolkit(s).

I've asked the Seat Leon 4 folk. We'll see what they say. Get them looking for it in their units. Any mib3 is worth a looks. It squares a circle.