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Don't reckon German VAG will be helping out little old Britain get their TMC back.... forgot Global Britain 🤔. Third world countries that arent so third world probably still have their TMC. As Dean0 pointed out on the Seat board TMC was an EU directive for countries to provide in the EU that one probably got burnt in Moggies bonfire. You are onto self help now as I said. VAG won't touch it now since it's one of those things they let go with legacy systems. User POI import on the VW side soon bit the dust when Mib3 came out. Skoda one never worked correctly. You got poinspect0r and other DIY solutions when VAG pulled the plug on that one.

Only if there is a vote in it for them which there wont be.

Think it's self-help on the technology for a solution other than that it's hitting your head on a brick wall. They have made their decision and won't change it now.

Good stuff. As you say you lose Hungary and Finland but other than that all will be good. Interesting file. That's how the fly by night retrofitters get it wrong when they set the unit up for the wrong TMC group. Happened to Seat in the past when I was asked to check what my factory fitted one was set at for someone installing a retrofit mib2 high after retrofitters had done the navigation FeCs but had sent the unit back with TMC not configured. From a working unit with old maps with TMC to new maps but no TMC. I was putting off looking at it again. I wonder what the relative difference are of the two providers, the defunct one and the non defunct one. The defunct one wasn't very timely. Roads into Fishguard port remained closed for about two months which wasn't true on that one. There is a bit at launch: https://citywire.com/funds-insider/news/itis-trafficmasters-smaller-rival-comes-to-market/a212878 or https://www.telecompaper.com/news/itis-disputes-results-of-trafficmaster-accuracy-survey--433666 Depends whether they are buying into traffic data which there seems to be a market in these days. Their fleet of sensor vehicles seemed to be large.

Probably like water, the Government lets the infrastructure go to pot. Nanny state can't be rules based etc. Ofcom spent a time preoccupied with selling off C4, political mission rather than good Government of society. Porn is the latest Ofcom mission but Mps like end to end encryption of their own messages, out of public statuary records but don't known about VPNs. Civil servants pander to their missions. Evident TMC wasn't one. 🤔

I reckon you could run with a two card set up (if you have two cards), where you can make the choice on the day by slipping in the map you want to use. Bigade1 to confirm. The software mod must craft the unit to use the alternative TMC with the old maps but would happily just run in navigation only without TMC with the latest TomTom maps. Thus if you were on a long run with traffic you would use the old maps but it would not take advantage of new roads or if you were on a cross country trip without traffic you'd use the new maps. You'd make the choice yourself on the day. Least how I think it would work. We only use the car with the mib2 standard as a run around in Wales but if heading to England (or Cardiff) you'd slip the one with TMC capability in it so you'd get the motorway delays. The user saved destinations / last destinations and user POIs are stored within the unit so switching maps is just changing the map cartography not user saved data on those. I'm going to wait the outcome of @bigade1 research on the best way of doing it on the mid2 standard (Amundsen) if he can find away of avoiding the mib2 standard toolkit / toolbox.

Leave it long enough Mr Fixit will be posting YouTube videos to earn money of it 🤣. You just got to accept users that can't sort it out themselves falls into the tough category, VAG decided they didn't want to fund a TMC provider anymore the same as they pull the plug on other services once they stop making that model. So they wont be telling dealerships to do it. Personally I dont think they will tinker with their map processes to remove the feature in case they disturb anything else. It will remain an egg for those that are technically capable or enlist the services of a third party which won't be a VAG dealership. Two years will pass with map updates and long live TMC there after, but could short 🤔. We are on legacy systems now the same as mib1 when mib2 was in its prime.

It's going to be posted by MartiniB on the side https://www.briskoda.net/forums/forum/7-skoda-audio-electronics-and-security/ If those files haven't moved from the location they were originally in.

Yes technically you have to raise to the occasion although VAG will probably only be updating the maps till 2025 (5 year period they add to end of production, could be 2024). The window to pull the plug is limited although they will be pulling the plug on map updates soon. So legacy maps with traffic reports till the other provider pulls the plug.

Umm the tricky bit for VAG is they arent paying for the other service. The DIY solution is to turn the knob to the other channel yourself via a software switch. You wont officially get that from VAG since they wont want to pay to be a member of the service. You could sweet talk a member of staff in a garage I expect to do the mib2 high. This is where user coding comes into its own.

Traffic Master went off air in Aoril. Like Radio Luxembourg of old you can listen to another station 🤔. Mib2 high solution above. @bigade1has the mib2 standard solution. We need that documented. Bigade1 is the top one. Pcbbc is the bottom one of the two fixes.

Mib2 high which is called the Columbus in Skoda name is easy enough. Just that coding change to bump it onto the other UK TMC provider as @pcbbcworked out from looking at the map file code. See above. Need to do the coding, cost about £130 if you have not got Obdeleven already, pass on VCDS costs or find someone to do it. The mib2 standard is more techi one suspects. In both instances a good retrofitter would be able to do it once they know what they need to do. Mib2 high would be a dodle to them.

@bigade1Do you want to give a blow by blow account of what to do on a mib2 standard. I guess if you have two map cards you could swap between the old and new maps as it took your fancy once the software surgery was done on the unit. It was not tie it into the maps that was done just tinkering the TMC side in the unit. That would be a good solution for the best of both worlds.

@pcbbcWell done that is indeed the solution on a mib2 hìgh. Reboot of the infotainment unit.... The long hold on the on / off. No cross in TMC... looking good. Route into Essex. I thought a DIY solution was going to be the answer 😉. Not sure which services it will pick up abroad now mind you. For others it was done with the Obdeleven with the Pro license. Works with a dongle white on an Android or the Next Gen black one Android or iPhone with the Pro licenses. People will be able to do this with VCDS. You have to feed that field in the 5f module, reboot the unit and Bobs your Uncle.

It's going to be 14 then I'll test later. Seats never got online traffic on the mib2 high.

There is a fix but old maps and technical where with all. Above. May be more info is required.

I've yet to see where 32783 goes in on Obdeleven. May be 14 is sufficient as the tmc provider set as far as Obdeleven ?.

From 2015-2019 model mib2. Standard if it uses a map card. High if the maps are on an internal SSD. If you hit media button and eventual says juke box that's a mib2 high. Alternative way of find a mib2 high from a mib2 standard. The juke box is the spare SSD space on the high unit you can also store music on.

Ok I think we'll stick with fresh maps but no TMC on the mib2 standard... not much traffic in these rural parts of Wales. As for the mib2 high, the current setting of 15 wasn't doing too much as I posted up above so may be I'll try 32782 later... if it will take it. Guess it will knock out foreign services if you take it abroad. 15 was a set that matched those and the UK TMC free service.

I got access to both units but being a big lazy and too hot to sit in the car 🤔. It is true that the mib2 standard uses TomTom maps for a few years now. The files are put together by a German company that VAG uses from the cartography of HereMaps for mib2 high, TomTom for mib2 standard. It could be the where with all is in the standard maps. I'd like to get it working on the high first (mine) rather than going off on one on both. There isn't much traffic round here and signal strength is low round here why I'm not rushing into fiddle with things.

For mib2 high it may come down to finding the correct value to stick in Obdeleven. My current screen unchanged: I did manage to loose a post just then 🤔. Recreating what I said. That 15 I believe is the TMC Provider Sets if the post below is correct. https://www.golfmk7.com/forums/index.php?threads/enabling-tmc-in-the-uk-is-it-possible.386243/page-2 May be 1021 or 21 are good ones to try. You save and reboot the unit to get it to take. I had this conversation on the 15 setting with someone who used VCDS a few years back. Retrofitters never returned the unit back to them correctly set up, so I gave them the 15, but they were on different codes. Trusty DV52 / Don on this post. https://forum.obdeleven.com/thread/6614/enable-traffic-information If 32782 is the solution then for Obdeleven it's a question of getting it in. Don's end post has the 15 in it.

Nah. Telegraph readers it's the blob.

No they just pulled the plug on what they thought was a legacy system and the user companies didn't want to pay up. Connected cars have a subscription basis so that income they can divi up to the providers. TMC was funded by the companies from car sales. Google Maps and Apple advertising income come from being part of their eco system. Those and connected cars spy on your location and travel speed to feed into the system road conditions. TMC used roadside radar and Highways data. I believe their is a market in traffic condition data used by Google, Apple, TomTom and connected cars which they sell to each other where Microsoft Bing get it from and TomTom. You probably get taught this at Uni if doing a degree. I did read it somewhere 😉.

They have infotainment centres that have sat nav 😂. They are using the Seat dealer retort to why the maps can't be updated, use your phone. Well ofcourse they have moved to connected cars using 4g for the traffic data in those infotainment unit with built in mapping systems. One suspects that if you analysed the car manufacturers they have probably all moved to them on new models and regard TMC as a legacy system pulling the plug early by not funding the provider excluding those that keep Inrix going.

Yes the units are scalable on how they want to sell them. Skoda and VW got free map updates on the built-in one whilst Seat and Audi didn't. The FeC controls what is unlocked in them in how it behaves. Like buying a TV which is 4k but only works in HD since it was cheaper to make them with all bells and whistles but selling them at different price points under software control. That the Function enablement code (FeC). That's how they get the variations between what is sold by country, model and brand. All core hardware and software. The firmware is specific but people do install the wrong brand onto their cars so you'll see people say that is Skoda software on a Seat etc. They got hold of the wrong file. The actual mib2 unit can be installed across brands, same hardware. At the end of the day people have to do their own research on what they are buying not be suckered into the sales speal or think they can upgrade after. Some can't be.