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6 monthly June and November else we would be taking from there if monthly. 😉 Mib3 are more frequent over the air, they are Here Maps cartography. Mib2 standard (Amundsen on Skoda brand) is TomTom cartography. Mib2 high (Skoda Columbus brand) is Here Maps. Mib3 its all Here Maps cartography, TomTom cartography got sidelined by VAG when Mib3 was launched but still update for Mib2.
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If you happen to live in Yorkshire, East Yorkshire Retrofit could probably sort it out by putting it on a bench using traditional retrofitter methods. They are reliable. The place that Seat people go to if they don't feel comfortable with DIY or mess up their units. They do all VAG. They use another associate in that location who is their expert.
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You might want to look at Mib Tool which you can install in the green menu but you need a module for your firmware release, failing that the enthusiasts that support the tool have to write you one for free. Once the module is installed it gives you control over the FeCs. So you could add your missing FeC code, it also has the ability to remove duplicate FeCs. It's been used on Seats to remove duplicate FeCs where a retrofitter made a pigs ear of some work and screwed up the navigation FeCs. There might be Briskoda experts on the board on another thread on this, but it's all the same tool across VAG developed by European Mib2 enthusiasts. It can be found in Https://mibsolution.one Login guest Password guest It's sits in M.I.B where they don't know about your firmware you upload the backup it generates into M.I.B_Backup I believe they have slightly changed the way it's packaged since I used it. It's one of these thing you use once. Then I had one of the Seat experts to write me the module for my firmware. He also sorted out the guy with the duplicate FeCs. How the group works is they have experts in the brand so I expect you need to make contact with one if your firmware isn't within the tool. They do look in the return directory. 3.1.7 is what I used, they are on 3.2.0 now. I didn't find a match on the board for Skoda experts in this. Those Audi people of recent asking map questions will have passed through the link on firmware using an AIO version I suspect which combines the firmware with mib tools to add FeCs in an easy update. Due to you using online probably not a good idea to go for a complete firmware update but a FeC tinkering tool. In mib tool it does list the firmware it works with across the brand once you have it on an SD card. You can nose around seeing whether they have a patch written. Addfec.txt is then edited in notepad to add anything unlisted. I see they have your media one dropped. You should just be able to edit it in. The Seat one is dropped on the same basis. After tinkering, you reboot the unit, long press and go to the FeC listing screen. Mibwiki supports the link. Google on that as well. Being computer programmers they can be exacting 😉. I can look at back posts to see how duplicate FeCs are removed. It can be done in the tool or a module run. Where it came to pass that the Seat guy didn't need the extra programming help it was in the tool. Basically the tool packages retrofitters techniques but in the car in a user friendly way as possible.
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Problem with Google Maps is a lot they don't have on it and a lot wrong. Now mib has taken a turn for the worse with mib3 it leaves many people thinking built in car navigation systems aren't worth it. A certain beauty of using an integrated system.
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At some point with lots of hacking it probably won't fit again 😉. Easy enough to buy a new Skoda 32gb card off your e seller. They are not that expensive. Only if you are driving across the breath of Europe do you require the all Europe map. The card is not fixed to the unit in Skodas and VW cars, you buy the card, delete what is on it if it's not up-to-date, copy on the new release and you are in business. For the Seat unit you deploy the "workaround" which is the normal method for the standard unit. Quite a few Seats have Skoda cards in them now although there is a Seat 32gb card. All VAG cards are interchangeable in the unit. I keep giving TomTom new roads in the UK as estates get built and new developments via Tom Tom Mapshare as other contributors do. These get put on, so it will continue to grow.
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No I don't. The dual layer meant the laser had to hit two surfaces to pack more on. Still sell them https://www.google.com/search?q=dvd panasonic dual layer writer&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m I once bought industrial DVDs with no printed label on them. Fine if your nail didn't scratch the surface which should have had the label on, then they fell apart. Will be onto old 78s next 😂. Btw I thought I'd identified the guy that was creating RNS maps from material, Kong ?, on a the Seat board but it wasn't him. Here's a link to chew on https://getnavigationdvd.com/rns510-navigation-map-dvd/ I was trying to get the famous Chillout interested in turning mib3 maps into mib2 high for the day when mib2 high maps won't be released. He said that would be a cool project. Let's hope the mib enthuasts take it up since some of us don't want to change our cars till 2030. Life in them yet till EV. Reckon there will be 5 years without map updates.
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You need a dual layer writer as I recall. My old Panasonic DVD TV recorder did that. I don't reckon your average DVD writer does do dual, just single layer.
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Or is that the one before, RNS ?. I only graduated to mib2 😂. Definitely the file covers mib1 but how it's introduced I pass. We need someone with mib1 high. 2011 would put it at mib1 high in the life cycle of mib. An old mib1 manual should say. Dual layer... fun.
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That's an interesting one. The update is multi purpose for mib1 / mib2 high why the directories have the two inside the download since it dances between the two. The question is whether mib1 high users are still using MartiniB's links. I only came into mib on a mib2 high. From what you said sounds like the ssd or whatever they put in mib1 high's crashed. You might be tripping over getting the card formatted and copied correctly, the Mac issue or some other finer detail.
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I dish out the Mac advise although I don't have one... wash my mouth out with salt water... but it fixes them all. Mac's stick an extra carriage return on the line or whatever. The map file is protected with a sla1 signature which means a secure signature is placed on the metainfo2.txt file. Private / User key. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHA-1 Vag signs the map file with their private key, the unit knows the public key and says, yes, this checks out and allows import. 1 character out and it rejects it. You can't manufacture the private key from the public key unless you have a security service type of computer like a Cray 😍. Then you could manufacture an import file via the secure methods. Ways around avoiding the signature have been found with the mib2 unit... they didn't close down feeding other code into the unit after the signature which is the exploit that developers of mib tool boxes use and specialist modified firmware which also carries the FeCs through another developers exploit. Saying that cross checks are not made on the integrity of what gets imported if you avoid the signature check so CleanMyDrive is even more important on a Mac if you are importing firmware of this nature. All clever stuff. CleanMyDrive removes all the bloat Mac characters so it looks like the PC download.
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Assuming it's mib2 high and patched with the life long navigation FeC for Audi the conversation above as I recall, if not on the previous release, then it's going to be you are using a Mac and you need to use CleanMyDrive on the SD card after unzipping it. That's the common Mac error after unzipping. Failing that it's the format issue where I say stick to SD card 32gb, fat32 else you enter the territory of formats, covered above. That's about it. The life time navigation Audi FeC was published above or on the other thread. Look at yours and compare. Some retrofitters scam by just giving you a short term FeC to induce extra work. Why you need to check what you have against the life long FeC. That's set at the high point in the table where VAG will stop issuing releases before you hit that. Edit. Was this thread. Audi 23000ee the one Boo boo had.... we went round the houses before pinning the issue down, check yours and check unzip, Mac issues and format plus attached VAG (Discover Pro pdf above) notes I posted on the process above. Some Skoda drivers go off piste by using USB sticks then you enter the format debate. Stick to SD cards class 10 32gb and we dont need to cover that... the Vag guidance.
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& mine on a mib2 high. Was a technical failure in the company that runs TMC in the UK. Similar to the one a couple of weeks back. Nothing to do with the map update.
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I checked my Mib2 high in the afternoon and TMC had a cross thru it so it's taking a break 🤫.
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I will have a look to see what's happening today on it. As I said TMC took a break a few weeks back for a day or so then reappeared again. Was reported on a Seat board. Have access to the standard mib2 unit and mib2 high, was off both which concurred with the Seat poster. So nothing to do with the standard map update, just coincidence. Decides it was a technical network glitch. TMC is broadcast via Classic FM but receivers can get mixed up in some parts of the country between the free service and the paid service. The free service is paid by the manufacturers e.g.. VAG in this case pay for the free service for the customer. Traffic Master is the paid service. Weird and wonderful world of TMC https://tisa.org/technologies/coverage/ Have a wiki https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_message_channel See under UK. Think their servers have a wobbly at times... not good if there is traffic. 😨 Probably held together by sticky plaster that falls off at times.
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Invest in a 32gb Skoda card from an e seller, normally ends with a bay at the end. That's what people have been doing with their Seats in readiness for the day when it out grew even with the language fix. You have to look at the review index and determine whether they are genuine Skoda ones or the "gold card" ones. I bought mine when members of a German boards were buying them about three years ago, that was a genuine Skoda card. Seat 32gb card would do, or VW, they are all interchangeable. The CID is recognised as Vag so it works. Why I experimented with the 32gb Skoda card but it's come to pass mib1 units work with the mib2 card although you have to have mib1 stuff on it obviously. Don't be duped by people that say reformat the 16gb card with a 2k cluster size, its been known to screw up the card e.g. kill it. Skoda 32gb have been killed this way. Apparently the newer manufactured cards don't take kindly to reformatting, always delete what's on them than hit reformat.
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There was a TMC UK issue a few weeks ago. Came up on the Seat Cupra board similar, map had been updated but I tested in on my standard unit and the mib2 high. Both were down. Then after a couple of days it came back. The person reporting it got it back so I re checked. Conclusion wobbly feeder systems in the UK which populate the TMC data. The top icon disappears on the Seat, with TMC with a cross thru it when it's not working. No cross and it's receiving. It will be back. You mark a route into the centre of London for testing 😍.MartiniB has a thread for that:SD 32gb card, class 10 in Fat32 is the official way of doing it as recommended by VW in their material which is the gold standard. The maps haven't busted the 32gb SD card yet in Fat32. It does if the card is in NTFS. I just keep a couple, this release, last release and rotate them. Nice 3/4" scrap of paper with the release number written on it clipped in the box.
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The same release works across brands. Identical file. The part number it throws up is based on it knowing what brand it's installed in.Almost like a license arrangement to offer old maps or just incompetence of the brands. Savvy owners know where to look on forums for links to the latest maps not the brands websites. Probably the web developers not being well managed whilst the brands internal staff keeping on top of the releases but the web developers not bothered. You always get impressed in a work environment when you find the people who know what they are doing but the management is useless. The guy at their desk who is on top of things. "I'm looking for this" and they pull it up. You start looking in June and November for the two annual releases. Serial number is more important than year code after VAG altered how they named them a few years back. This year we got them in May for June. No complaints there thanks to eagle eyes of the community.The brands other than VW often lag. Skoda is well known for offering up old maps. The goto place is MartiniB server listings not the brands websites. There is a German forum similar but that has been lagging as well this time round 😨.I've seen nonsense data on Waze... complete garbage where someone has digitised a housing estate that has not even been built. Certainly hasn't passed any QA checks. Google Maps also have processing delays plus rubbish QA. Another one with a complete housing estate missing for 5 years. I don't give them any stuff now. Tough they won't take out a farm track in the village which leaves cars coming down and dead end or bouncing down an unmade road. DHL and Amazon use the farm track... One of them ran over a dog in the dark charging down the farm track that isn't a road. So they can rot. I keep Here Maps and TomTom up-to-date but won't touch Google Map editing since they are rubbish. It's the domain of poor QA and mapping fantasists that enter roads where there aren't any since they feel there is a public road from the aeriel image... no. Farm tracks plus the ones that take plans for an estate that hasn't been built on a green field site and put roads in. 😨. They are not kicked out during QA.- 155 replies
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On the first just one character out can lead to the map upload being aborted. Keka and CleanMyDrive are the two techniques for a Mac, Keka unzips, CleanMydrive deletes all the Mac characters it puts in, that's run on the SD card. The SLA1 signatures check is carried to ensure the files have not been tampered with. A VAG master key (primary key) is used construct the signature based on the contents of the file. A user key is built into the unit. Examination of the contents with the signature and if it says, "yes" it get passed for import. What must have happened the cleaning process whatever you used didn't clean as expected. Whilst I don't have a Mac it always works when I tell people to use those two pieces of software as VW recommends. For the hell of it I once ran the SLA1 authorisation algorithm with the set of user published keys. I found that the master key, whatever that is, is the same across the firmware and map files since the same user key would work. A few years back you needed a month's Cray super computer time to crack the master key, why the industry was telling people to get off 1024 SLA1. They study this subject at University now.... branch of applied mathematics coming from pure... once you get the master key you can manufacture source files that appear as real ones. The mib2 firmware exploits have been done by avoiding the signature key check. The family of mib tool / toolkit software and firmware presented in such a way plus developer tools left in the firmware, clever. On your second MartiniB's attention to detail he publishes when the files were processed within them, in this case Files inside: 2021.10.14 The process is Here Maps will generate the master file and it goes off to whoever turns these files into the VW map files. Thus your 2022Q1 is outside of the date. The Here Maps app Here WeGo is suppose to be the first view of the production files and if that is wrong, that's when you tell them since they have duff data in their master file. Co Pilot also gets updates more frequently so you can check there as well to see whether their master database reflects what it is suppose to be. The Mapcreator app seems to use artificial intelligence to pull parts of maps apart and falls foul of rounding error !. Sure it does, so it decides points you placed together get pulled apart, duplicates included etc. To combat that you have to visit the same location on the map daily say and run across the bottom right horizontal bar validation tool clicking on each item to see what it's revealing. Where the automated validation system has introduced errors they can be seen there plus joins in roads left open. They are only geographers that run these systems bless them 😉. MapCreator you are working with the development database, not the production database. You also get pestered with mapping fantasists that place farm tracks on maps as highways. Builders roads on development sites that should never be digitised and the rest of the nonsense. Here Maps process do study other digital maps and flag up what they have "missing" against others. So nonsense from those maps can get into HereMaps if not correctly validated. They use probes generated from mobile file track data as well as a tool. In the UK OS planning maps used by local authorities can be used as the gold standard for what is on the ground. They are part of the Land Registry maps done by proper surveyors, next level up is the developers plans on new builds which they sell the houses against. The aeriel image can be compared with them. Street View is useful but also shows how Google bounces their cars down private farm tracks and they get put in as public roads. The speed that is digitised against minor roads will also effect the cars routing algorithm, where some of the rubbish routing comes from.- 155 replies
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