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realistically I'm probably not looking at swapping the Superb out for another 2-3 years (only bought her at the start of this year, wonder what the used EV market will be like then? That said EV isn't top of my priority list but I wouldn't discount one (especially given I'm privileged enough to be able to charge at home for a good amount of my motoring.)

my biggest blocker on the pre loved marketplace is that there are no EVs (yet) in the <=£10k area with a boot capacity (or shape) of the Superb Estate plus the interior room with a minimum 300 mile range. In fairness some of the Tesla S (boot capacity with seats up +700 litres plus the Frunk although its not quite the same "square" shape) are starting to approach that £10k threshold, just not there yet https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-search?battery-range=OVER_300&bootSizeValues=Large&fuel-type=Electric&postcode=bl35rd&sort=price-asc Hell I doubt there's even much on the new market that matches those last criteria given how few manufacturers are making estate EVs, probably the nearest thing that would be suitable is the Audi A6 Avant e-tron

something oft overlooked is the impact of Zero Emissions on Motorcycles. https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/mopeds-motorcycles-and-the-powered-light-vehicle-industry/ https://www.britishmotorcyclists.co.uk/nmc-decarbonisation-response/

and except for the privileged minority who can charge at home longer term the majority of future EV users will likely need to rely on public charging

you're doing a sterling job of promoting the EV dream ;o)

I'll still be dead ;o)

Shanks's pony

and of course the government would never increase the VED on ZEVs to rates equal to or higher than ICE in order to recoup money lost by less ICE being on the road...............................would they ? Anyways as you say come the end of the century (which by my reckoning is still 976 odd years away and by which time we'll all be dead) then it may well be that EVs are the primary mode of transport)

again though , as of the end of 2023 only just under 3 % of vehicles on the road were ZEVs (presumably the majority of those being EVs) and already the charging infrastructure is creaking as can be see not just on various YT videos but comments on here from some users of EVs highlighting real world issues.

There's a thought Even if the government achieves its target of forcing manufacturers to only sell new ZEVs by 2035 I wonder how many years it will take (without further government intervention to actively ban Petrol & diesel usage) it will take to get to the point that more than 50% of the vehicles on the Road are ZEVs? These were the numbers from December 2023 My guesstimate is somewhere north of 2055 for 50% of *all* vehicles in use to be ZEV (not just sales of new)

which is nice but ,leaving aside not everyone is privileged enough to have at home charging nor (if they do only do trips of 2-300 miles away from home ) , that they will need to recharge at EV charging stations how long will tose recharges take? Yes you do occasionally get queues at petrol stations now but they're the exception. If we're in a world where even 50% of the total vehicles on the road will be EVs then will EV charging stations have the capacity to support demand?

Can't comment specifically on the OG EV Ioniq but my GF has a OG Ioniq Hybrid and it's a really nice car to drive (although not as nice as my Superb) . Can't imagine there's much difference (other than the max range figure)

we went on holiday for a (5 day) week in North Wales (from Wigan) with the grandkids in the Superb. Wasn't quite a full tank when we left but we spent the whole week including driving around and getting home on the same tank without any fuss & drama ;o) (oh and took no time at all to refuel )

I believe the only auto backend check when taxing is MOT (as thats on the same system effectively) and you cant tax a car without a valid MOT

don't blame me lol I stole most of that from Coventry Council Trading Standards https://www.coventry.gov.uk/trading-standards/weights-measures

neither did I

apparently there is this (as a starter for 10) https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-public-charge-point-regulations-2023-guidance/public-charge-point-regulations-2023-guidance

There's a thought: Equipment used to measure and sell petrol is controlled by law and all pumps have to be made to an approved pattern, tested and approved before they can be used. Fuel pumps are tested by Trading Standards Officers for accuracy and to make sure they are within the law. We also keep a record of any complaints made. In addition, many petrol stations employ engineers to test their equipment for accuracy to control the stocks and can use authorised officers to certify new equipment or equipment in use after a repair. Fuel pumps are sealed to prevent adjustment and fraud. They must operate within tight guidelines. The equipment is designed to measure the volume of fuel sold and then multiply this volume by the price per litre, to calculate the price to pay. In this calculation, the price will be rounded to the nearest penny. The fuel is measured by volume and this is used to decide the price to pay. When the price of fuel increases, the amount of fuel becomes less. As the volume sold increases, the price goes up. The law says any error on selling petrol can be no more than 2p. The price charged per litre must be clearly visible to the user before they begin to dispense fuel from the pump Does any of the above apply to EV charging points and if not, why not?

if you're counting on the Winter Fuel Payment to pay to charge your £40k + new vehicle maybe you should sell the car and get something cheaper and more affordable to run, Like an older Skoda Superb with a good old ICE

I believe that was the one linked too a few posts back yes

Possibly because of creative accounting? Eurostar runs from overhead power lines exclusivly unlike any of the other options. (Would be interesting to see Domestic Rail split between external electric & other)

the ideal eco friendly transport system (matter transporters) is yet to be invented ;o)

show of hands, who knew this was a thing? I'll be honest I only found out about them yesterday although apparently they were introduced stating back in 93. A shadow toll is a contractual payment made by a government per driver using a road to a private company that operates a road built or maintained using private finance initiative funding. Payments are based, at least in part, on the number of vehicles using a section of road, often over a 20- to 30-year period. The shadow tolls or per vehicle fees are paid directly to the company without intervention or direct payment from the users. On more recent shadow toll schemes in the United Kingdom, payments reduce as the number of vehicles increase, to encourage availability of the road rather than the number of vehicles carried. M1 Lofthouse to Bramham link road M40 Denham to Warwick M80 Stepps to Haggs A1 Darrington to Dishforth A1(M) Alconbury to Peterborough A13 Limehouse to Wennington (Greater London) A19 Dishforth to Tyne Tunnel A249 Stockbury (M2) to Sheerness A30 Exeter to Bere Regis A417 Gloucester to Cirencester A419 Swindon to Cirencester A50 Stoke to Derby link A55 Llanfairpwll to Holyhead A69 Carlisle to Newcastle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_toll

they're not carrying 4-600 passengers though ;o) Actually that's another consideration even if technical & legislative requirments are met . Who would be the first carrier to take the leap. Ok it may transpire that Electric Airliners are cheaper to run (which carriers will like) but they may also worry about public perception of how safe/reliable they are.

the reality is it will take at least 10-20 years of technical approval and legislation to produce an Electric version of a passenger carrying commercial airliner such as the Airbus A380 even once they have the technology to even make it happen (which is not going to be any time soon). 6-10 seater light aircraft may be a different matter