hi im new here and i was jus wondering if anyone has had any problems with ther cars back end losing it in the wet ive got an 04 plate vrs with standard suspenion and iv lost the back end few times in the wet now and its at the point of i darent take it out in the wet it just seems to go no matter wot speed your doing in the dry cant fault it. Thanks in advance any help wud be apreciated

hi im new here and i was jus wondering if anyone has had any problems with ther cars back end losing it in the wet ive got an 04 plate vrs with standard suspenion and iv lost the back end few times in the wet now and its at the point of i darent take it out in the wet it just seems to go no matter wot speed your doing in the dry cant fault it. Thanks in advance any help wud be apreciated

What tyres you got on mate?

I bet there Michelin tripe!

My car did the same till i changed them for Toyos....

Im not saying that is the cause but i agree with Confused cheese, more than likley tyres

a car is nothin without a set of propper tyres!

I think a bit more information would be useful.

Speed, road/roundabout ? I've never lost the back of my car even with OEM rubber on.

Have you checked the tyre pressures ?

Does the car have an after market RARB fitted ?

Oh yes, and tyres.

Cheers.

RBW.

Tyres are Events on the back and pirelli pzero neros on the front which iv switched but still the same i get no warning when this is gona happen either iv neva had this prob with any other car and iv had loads from bmws to minis forgot to mention theres a jabbasport antiroll bar fitted to the back speed wize well thats a hard one to put into perspective but say normal bit faster maybe into roundabout back end goes lyk someones pulled the handbrake on cud it be coz the antiroll bars stopped the back end from rolling hence just skipping across the surface?also my alloys are light weight 17" thanks

Edited 17 September, 200817 yr by judge360

Tyres are Events on the back and pirelli pzero neros on the front which iv switched but still the same i get no warning when this is gona happen either iv neva had this prob with any other car and iv had loads from bmws to minis forgot to mention theres a jabbasport antiroll bar fitted to the back speed wize well thats a hard one to put into perspective but say normal bit faster maybe into roundabout back end goes lyk someones pulled the handbrake on cud it be coz the antiroll bars stopped the back end from rolling hence just skipping across the surface?also my alloys are light weight 17" thanks

you've just given the reasons... 1 p'neros on the front will grip way better than whatever the "budget" tyre you stated is on the back (unless you've swopped them round, don't know if I read it right!)

but the biggest thing is the jabba anti roll bar, it massively increases front end grip, to the detrement of the back, and turns the car from an understeery "safe" car to a "tail happy in the wet" car

if it really bothers you, take the jabba anti-roll bar off, and I'd bet your problems dissapear...

Many thanks sharkrider i thought it wud b the antirollbar ill take it off c wot happens just needed a second opinion b4 i did lol didnt understand y tho till now cheers

or just take it easy in the wet. its not worth flying about in the wet imo, have fun in the dry.

aye anno wot u mean m8 lol grip in the dry is **** on innit

Just enjoy the lift off oversteer and stop being a homo ya big girl oh and get them budget ditchfinders replaced. Once you perfect your technique in the yet at low speed then move on to the high speed dry tail out action,after all thats what roundabouts were made for:D

Jesus give up the txt speek.

Just enjoy the lift off oversteer and stop being a homo ya big girl oh and get them budget ditchfinders replaced. Once you perfect your technique in the yet at low speed then move on to the high speed dry tail out action,after all thats what roundabouts were made for:D

Could not of put it better:thumbup:

Sounds like your car's handling is about as good as your grasp of the English language.

As demonstrated by VBH in a recent 5th Gear , always put your grippiest tyres on the rear unless you like dicing with death.

As demonstrated by VBH in a recent 5th Gear , always put your grippiest tyres on the rear unless you like dicing with death.

As someone who recently ended up upside-down :eek: I can vouch for this!

I spun my Felly on a damp/wet bend near work once. Didnt do that again.

Of get the whiteline ARB and put it on the softer setting??

As demonstrated by VBH in a recent 5th Gear , always put your grippiest tyres on the rear unless you like dicing with death.

On the other hand you can catch a tail slide, theirs f-all you can do about understeer:P

As demonstrated by VBH in a recent 5th Gear , always put your grippiest tyres on the rear unless you like dicing with death.

All you need to do is spin the wheels when you exit the tyre garage to grip em up nice.

Then, in the morning, weave about to warm the tyres up for a mile or 2.

Jules59, I know this is common advice (put grippiest tyres on rear), but as my car does 14K on a set of front tyres, and have done 42K on the rears and they are still have 6mm on, I know where my grippiest tyres are going, and it aint the back.

For me that's nanny state type advice, in the same way that manufacturers tune chassis for understeer so much, because it will catch fewer people out.

I took an MX5 for an autotest a couple of years ago at Rockingham, and couldnt believe that it needed you to be quite brutal with it to oversteer, and its natural tendency was to understeer. I find that astonishing for a rear wheel drive, but then they are mostly driven by women .

RBW.

1.) Slow down in the wet.

2.) Fit some proper tyres to the back.

Steve

Jesus give up the txt speek.

Yes, please do.

The ARB at the back will, as others have said, make the car a bit tail-happy. The Fabia, like most cars these days, is engineered into understeer. The ARB changes that behaviour a bit.

I'll second the advice already given:

1. Take it easy in the wet.

2. Get rid of the cheap tyres.

3. If you still find it too tail-happy, lose the ARB and sell it to someone.

My car is standard, on OEM tyres, and whatever the weather, the front always lets go first.

On the other hand you can catch a tail slide, theirs f-all you can do about understeer:P

Well, unless you've provoked it into understeer with a bootful- but otherwise you're right. The front is best going where you point it....

aye anno wot u mean m8 lol grip in the dry is **** on innit

I'm still not sure what this actually says?