The ARB at the back will, as others have said, make the car a bit tail-happy. .

more so if you lift off mid-corner because you think you are going to fast for the corner or you think the back end will step out

more so if you lift off mid-corner because you think you are going to fast for the corner or you think the back end will step out

Indeed. I discovered this behaviour a few years ago in a Golf 1, and more by luck than skill, caught it.

Peugot 205 GTIs and proper Minis will do that nicely if you snap the throttle shut. Oh, and judging by the feckwit in a Saxo last week that nearly span into me, Saxos aren't immune to lift-off oversteer either. He was a very lucky boy.

Peugot 205 GTIs and proper Minis will do that nicely if you snap the throttle shut. Oh, and judging by the feckwit in a Saxo last week that nearly span into me, Saxos aren't immune to lift-off oversteer either. He was a very lucky boy.

Think you've hit the nail on the head there. If you snap off the throttle, with an R-ARB fitted, then be prepared for some antics.

If you're progressive on and off the power there won't be a problem. Where you risk a journey into the unknown is with those budget tyres. One of the best things about 'ditch finders' is that they're unpredictable and you can't rely on them to behave in a consistent manner

Steve

What car did you have before?

If you have an RARB you will get lift over steer if you lift of mid bend thats the fun bit especially when you have ditchfinders on the rear as said if you dont like it take it off.

Could carry around a few bags of aggregate in your boot, that'll put an end to the tail being happy

a car is nothin without a set of propper tyres!

As is a sentance without proper spelling and punctuation.

i remember how tail happy my old seat ibiza(mk1) was on wet roundabouts.... but that had transverse leaf spring like the old Fiat 127 and 128....

All you need to do is spin the wheels when you exit the tyre garage to grip em up nice.

Then, in the morning, weave about to warm the tyres up for a mile or 2.

damn ive wasted so much time bedding in tyres and learning to drive..

Could the symptoms not perhaps also be a binding brake? He's changed the wheels front/rear and still had the same problem - lift off oversteer isn't really a big problem in a Fabby unless you have no tread on one end or the other.

I've just had one cheapy tyre put on the rear and I actually enjoyed the reduction in grip at the back. I just though that I should not have been doing 60 round a bend in the rain and it gave me a sense of on on the limit (over the limit!) driving.

Absolutely no difference for 42 of my 45 mile per morning commute on the motorway.

Many thanks sharkrider i thought it wud b the antirollbar ill take it off c wot happens just needed a second opinion b4 i did lol didnt understand y tho till now cheers

hows the car now?

if the r-arb is coming off I'd be interested in it.

so basically for every day driving ( in britian) the anti roll bar is a bad idea unless going side ways is the kind of thing your into. I was thinking about adding one now that iv got my coilovers but weather in N.Ireland is about as user friendly as Vista is to my granny. (which isnt very good at all for those who dont know my granny:D) so im asuming the rear would be a tad giddy in the wet

theirs f-all you can do about understeer:P

either lift off or go for full lock and plant more power if possible.

1.) Slow down in the wet.

2.) Fit some proper tyres to the back.

Steve

/\ This has always kept me pointing in the right direction.

Enough cannot be said for adjusting your driving to the conditions on the road. On another Mid Engined Car forum I constantly read "Crashed my car after exiting a roundabout doing 50 blah blah"

Glad you're ok anyway - find somewhere quiet and practice.

What action makes the Fabia slide? Fast steering or something else? What speeds are involved?

I have not encountered this yet in mine, but loss of control is never a happy moment.

TH

The main cause is going too fast into the corner/roundabout and lifting straight off the throttle. The cars weight then transfers to the front and dependant which way you are pointed (left corner = weight to the right / right corner = weight to the left). The back end will step out as there will be no weight over the rear axle. If you actually set the speed before the corner and either maintain your speed or slighty accelerate through the corner. The car will remain balanced and the weight will be distributed (to a point) evenly over the four tyres.

I wouldnt remove the RARB, as I have one and have never had any problems with it. I would adjust your driving style and see how you go?

Edited 8 October, 200817 yr by 53FabiaVRS

so basically for every day driving ( in britian) the anti roll bar is a bad idea unless going side ways is the kind of thing your into.

Disagree. RARB is great. With my driving style I never find myself in an oversteering situation. If fact in the current weather I'm slightly understeering due to poor front tyres. The ARB just makes you have oversteer on demand but in most cases I never demand it.

I don't mean to be rude but, i sort of agree with people.

Get rid of the rubbish tyres and get some good ones,

Check the back bracks are not sticking in the wet

And more importantly just learn how to drive the fabia in the wet..... it is a heavey front end turbo car, it is very diffrent to drive in the wet then a NAS petrol

hi im new here and i was jus wondering if anyone has had any problems with ther cars back end losing it in the wet ive got an 04 plate vrs with standard suspenion and iv lost the back end few times in the wet now and its at the point of i darent take it out in the wet it just seems to go no matter wot speed your doing in the dry cant fault it. Thanks in advance any help wud be apreciated

do your front tyres have more tread than your rears ?......are they a different/better tyre ??

the best tyres should always be on the REAR !........a front end slip is far easier and safer to control than if the back end steps out

I think the conclusions from this old thread were:

1) Obtain a grasp of the English language.

2) Get rid of the cr*p rear tyres.

3) Consider removing the ARB

4) Slow down and stop driving like a tool in the wet.

HTH