however you make it sound like this is directly aimed at bikers.... its not... they are the same ignorant c***s who cut me up on roundabouts and reverse in to me at tescos...

The intention is irrelevant where the outcome is terminal. Whether it's by design or default it's unacceptable.

It becomes all road users to continually work at enhancing their skills. The problem is that in Tory Blair's dumbed down Britain with its mindless "Speed Kills" mantra this has slipped off the agenda. Heaven forbid that people should take personal responsibility for their actions on the roads when they can snooze along at 50 mph on speed camera infested roads.

Again, posters here appear to be making judgements on the basis of their own personal experience without much recognition of the limitations of that experience. The fact that a car driver may have been alarmed by the actions of a motorcyclist, does not necessarily mean that the motorcyclist was riding dangerously or irresponsibly. It may well mean that the performance parameters of both motorcyclist and rider are completely outside the personal experiences of the driver.

Again' date=' posters here appear to be making judgements on the basis of their own personal experience [/quote']

Pray tell..

How else does one form an opinion on a subject if not by personal experience, whether it be by taking part in an activity or observing the actions of others?

Your arrogance is breath-taking, and frankly i expect it to lead to your downfall one day.

"Speed Kills" is ******, as i'm sure we all agree. But massively excessive speed, used in the manner displayed by many bikers is irresponsible in the extreme.

can only remember getting a wave of thanks twice.

It's possible that they'd just fall off if they did!

It's possible that they'd just fall off if they did!

Welcome Jezzer :wave:

Always nice to have your wise & insightful comments on board

It becomes all road users to continually work at enhancing their skills. The problem is that in Tory Blair's dumbed down Britain with its mindless "Speed Kills" mantra this has slipped off the agenda. Heaven forbid that people should take personal responsibility for their actions on the roads when they can snooze along at 50 mph on speed camera infested roads.

Never thought I'd agree with a motorbicyclist!

Again' date=' posters here appear to be making judgements on the basis of their own personal experience without much recognition of the limitations of that experience. The fact that a car driver may have been alarmed by the actions of a motorcyclist, does not necessarily mean that the motorcyclist was riding dangerously or irresponsibly. It may well mean that the performance parameters of both motorcyclist and rider are completely outside the personal experiences of the driver.[/quote']

Good point - well made!

Pray tell..

How else does one form an opinion on a subject if not by personal experience' date=' whether it be by taking part in an activity or observing the actions of others?

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You're quite correct in stating that it's by taking part in an activity. Vicarious experience is rarely good enough.

Get on your bike.

Get on your bike.

Or get off yours. You're a danger to yourself and real road users. i.e. those of us who are too sensible to ride a bike

The fact that a car driver may have been alarmed by the actions of a motorcyclist, does not necessarily mean that the motorcyclist was riding dangerously or irresponsibly.

I didn't say it did. But if he/she has alarmed other motorists and caused them to lose concentration on the road/take avoiding action then surely this is irresponsible ?

It may well mean that the performance parameters of both motorcyclist and rider are completely outside the personal experiences of the driver.

Indeed. So for the sake of argument then - let's say that I am a perfect driver. It's therefore OK for me to drive up a motorway at 100+ weaving in and out of traffic ? After all, the other drivers that I will scare the c**p out of have no need for concern as they do not know my performance parameters ?

Or get off yours. You're a danger to yourself and real road users. i.e. those of us who are too sensible to ride a bike

We're going round in circles here. We've already established that you have insufficient experience to make any such judgement. That's particularly true since you've never even seen me ride, let alone take up my offer of taking you out on the pillion.

I can guarantee that you'd find NSLX2 a very bracing and invigorating experience on the back of my bike........

Or get off yours. You're a danger to yourself and real road users. i.e. those of us who are too sensible to ride a bike

Or put another way... those of you who are too short sighted and bigotted to see anothers point of view!

We're going round in circles here. We've already established that you have insufficient experience to make any such judgement. That's particularly true since you've never even seen me ride' date=' let alone take up my offer of taking you out on the pillion.

I can guarantee that you'd find NSLX2 a very bracing and invigorating experience on the back of my bike........ [/quote']

I'd never go anywhere near a bike ridden by someone with your attitude. Obviously you are the world's greatest rider. Well good for you, but it won't mean a jot when you wrap it round a tree.

You clearly think the roads are a playground for yourself and your other 2-wheeled brethren and the sooner you are remove from the roads, the safer it will be for the rest of us.

If you want to play, take it to a track.

I didn't say it did. But if he/she has alarmed other motorists and caused them to lose concentration on the road/take avoiding action then surely this is irresponsible ?

Not at all. It's encumbent upon them to be more skilful, resilient and much less prone to being alarmed.

The problem is that Mr & Mrs Average motorist expect to be able to use their vehicles with about the same levels of skill and attention as they do their refrigerators. I'd suggest that what we need are drivers who have skill levels which are more on a par with those required to pass a Private Pilots Licence.

The irony in all this is that the less skilled prattle on about "safety" without for a moment appreciating that very irony that the biggest reason for the dangers in using motorised transport lies in their own unskilled hands.

Or put another way... those of you who are too short sighted and bigotted to see anothers point of view!

You got it summed up nicely there mate.

If short sighted and bigoted is what you think i am, then great, i'm proud of it

You got it summed up nicely there mate.

Thank you, I thought so!

If short sighted and bigoted is what you think i am, then great, i'm proud of it

And therein lies the problem! Your myopia is even greater than I thought, everyone knows I dislike bikes nearly as much as caravans and horseboxes!

QED

And therein lies the problem! Your myopia is even greater than I thought' date=' everyone knows I dislike bikes nearly as much as caravans and horseboxes!

QED[/quote']

Now i know exactly who you are

Now i know exactly who you are

Call me a tall curly haired arrogant t**t if you like, but I thought EVERYBODY knew who I was!

Call me a tall curly haired arrogant t**t if you like, but I thought EVERYBODY knew who I was!

Indeed we do, and i'm sorry to dent your ego, but none of us really care

Indeed we do, and i'm sorry to dent your ego, but none of us really care

It'll take more than you to dent my ego!

Goodbye

It'll take more than you to dent my ego!

Goodbye

Seeya :wave:

Time to retreat behind your new identity

You clearly think the roads are a playground

If you want to play' date=' take it to a track.[/quote']

Pot and kettle I think

had enough now.

thread closed. pm me if you have a prob...

a good debate has decended in to name calling.. and its not just cos i think all bikes ( and soft roaders) are....gay....

You're merely reiterating the sort of unsubtantiated comments made by MonkeyHanger. Read and understand my responses to him and you may become more aware of the flaws in your thought processes.

All I was doing was merely reiterating your point, but replacing "car" with "motorbike", and relating some stereotypes about poor road skills demonstrated by motorbikes. Much like you did about car drivers.

And why do I have to have ridden a motorbike to realise that hitting a barrier at 90mph with nothing more than a leather jacket to protect me is bad road skills?!

Rob.

Ooops...sorry, didn't realise thread was closed...

Rob.