If you like the car and can get a satisfactory resolution then keep it - I've never driven a CR diesel but I'm really happy with the 2 1.9 PD equipped cars we have (Fabia vRS and Octavia).

I think in these circumstances it would be reasonable to expect a refund of the difference in list price between a CR and PD car so effectively you've not lost out.

Ian

PS - I don't have a Glasses guide so cannot supply the price info :-)

i really doubt there will be any real difference in value based on the engine type as long as neither turns out to be commonly known as a kipper of an engine as 99% of buyers wouldn't even know they changed engine type let alone the pro's and cons of such a difference so personally i can't see resale based on engine type being affected, its going to be swayed far more by age/milage/spec/colour

still doesn't change the fact they told it was one thing and it isn't when that is what you specifically wanted so they should make ammends somehow but i wouldn't expect a winfall.

Indeed. You seem happy with the car so its essentially a non-issue. I'm not sure there is any real difference in value or desireability.

If you get a few hundred quid I'd be happy mate.

As others have pointed out, the actual real world differences between the CR and PD are somewhat academic, even if they got 99% of the way there, they haven't delivered what you ordered.

In terms of what to expect I can offer a somewhat similar example. A colleague of mine ordered a new VW Passat (a post 2001 face-lifted version of the Mk.V) through the lease company that ran our Company Car scheme.

As this was his first new car he did a lot of research before he ordered a reasonably high spec model with the 130BHP version of the 1.9TDi engine. However rather quickly after receiving the car he discovered that they had in fact delivered the 100BHP version of the engine. The lease company where so reluctant to accept the car back that they cut his lease rate to so much less then the cost of the car they has actually delivered that he was happy to keep it.

Being a lease car probably made things easier for him, but the point was that they really didn't want the car back, and where happy to make a very good deal to ensure that was the outcome. Maybe your retailer would rather make a large payment to avoid having a second hand car returned and refund your trade in.

By all accounts the PD engine is much more fun to drive than the CR and the CR is supposed to feel a little slow compared to the PD.

You are talking utter rubbish my friend :thumbdwn:

Actually driving the 170 superb (CR) compared to my VRS Octy (PD) i tend to agree the Superb didnt feel like 170hp to me i was sure it had 140hp and that the saleman had made a mistake , the power delivery is much smoother with the CR , on the PD it gets delivered in one big lump and ultimatly feels quicker

I'd say special delivery 11am as you get it tracked fully then and know it will reach them the next morning, by 11am.

Except the product doesn't exist:rolleyes: (well no for rm in anycase)

If it were me I would be asking for the car you ordered and nothing less, assuming this then had to be a factory order I would want to retain the erronous car until the replacement were delivered. This would have some obvious benefits, namely that the car has now had an interior facelift and it would of course now be an 09 plate as opposed to an 08 or 58.

Now in practice this is going to be very difficult to achieve and hence the several recomendations to gain early legal advice - and IMHO before you actually make contact with the dealer themselves.

As for justification of the time lapse, quite simply by your own admission you aren't a VAG Engine expert and as expected placed your faith in the supplying agent to give you the correct vehicle. Part and parcel of that could be a counter argument suggesting that you may not realistically notice a differance however you chose the CR for it's merits and that is what you expect to recieve.

I don't think it was a new purchase though Stu, possibly a car supermarket type buy.

If it was a pre reg then it would be more difficult, I think then a compo situation would be the best outcome but I wouldn't be hopeful of large sums.

I've just got this month's What Car in the post, and this is the first month they've actually given details of the CR VRS, as opposed to the PD.

According to their retained value figures after three years, the PD was quoted as 42%, and the CR is quoted as 47% (in hatchback form).

So to say there is no difference between the two is somewhat of an under-estimation.

I'd be tempted to find a local Skoda dealer so that you can have a test drive in both versions to decide whether or not you prefer one to the other. That way you'll know if you haven't missed out on anything if you decide to keep the PD.

You are talking utter rubbish my friend :thumbdwn:

That's what others opinion is!! Not mine. I haven't driven the CR engine so can't comment. The power delivery of the CR is more linear and therefore you "apparently" don't get the same shove in the back that you get with the PD. Some people have therefore stated that it doesn't feel as quick!

"Utter Rubbish" is a bit strong!

Let's not open a can of worms anyway!

The difference can't be that drastic if the OP didn't realise he didn't have the CR engine after all... The PD has a bit more of an aggressive power delivery for sure though, giving a greater sensation of speed.

Bearing in mind the 5% difference in residuals between the two models, perhaps about £500 would be about right?

From a dealers prospective-

If it where myself who sold you the car as a CR when in fact it was a PD, I know I'd be pretty worried about it and would work out a way of getting you a like for like car but with a CR engine.

But see if you can get some more out of them. Which car supermarket was it?

I guess the salesman at supermarkets deal with all manner of brands so the salesman could be forgiven to making a simple mistake but you would have thought the admin department may have realised the error.

According to their retained value figures after three years, the PD was quoted as 42%, and the CR is quoted as 47% (in hatchback form).

These are estimated values, the CR is to new at the moment to dictate any future residuals. What Car have got it wrong in the past with the old vRS, if they were correct back then, you would be able to get an early example for 1K now and as we all know this is far from the case.

The What Car assumption could be based on age, with a deffinate cutoff between the CR and PD engine which we all know not to be the case.

To Allams Skoda

Thanks very much for your welcomed reply especially as you are a dealer.

As regards the suprmarket - I think it would be unfair of me to name them just yet, until they have had time to respond and make me an offer. I am sure they are concerned about there reputation at this point and I will give them time to protect that.

I think they will struggle getting a suitable car to match based on the accessories the vehicle has.

I was wondering, you being a dealer, what you would say the value of my car is against a new VRS of the same spec, if I came to you to trade it in.

My spec is as follows :-

White (My favourite Colour) VRS Estate Diesel, 58 plate (Sep), 4200 miles, immaculate - as new.

Xenons with jet wash, rear parking assists, elec windows throughout, 18 inch alloys, Sat Nav, Rain sensing wipers, Cruise control, boot mat, floor mats.

I think I.ve covered all the extras.

As regards the mileage and age, I purchased when only 5 weeks old and 700 miles on the clock. Don't know what leverage I have to demand the same again.

G

p.s. obvioulsy against a new CR based VRS.

p.p.s as a side note, when are the new shape Octavias on sale...

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Actually driving the 170 superb (CR) compared to my VRS Octy (PD) i tend to agree the Superb didnt feel like 170hp to me i was sure it had 140hp and that the saleman had made a mistake , the power delivery is much smoother with the CR , on the PD it gets delivered in one big lump and ultimatly feels quicker

Having moved from PD (170 Passat) to CR (vRS) a few months ago ..... i was initially a little undwewhelmed by the CR....... however prolonged exposure has shown me that you have to adapt your driving style to get the best out of it - somewhere in between the style required for driving a revvy petrol and a torquey diesel!!!! In real world there is probably very little 'speed' difference between the two, you just have to drive them differently

These are estimated values, the CR is to new at the moment to dictate any future residuals. What Car have got it wrong in the past with the old vRS, if they were correct back then, you would be able to get an early example for 1K now and as we all know this is far from the case.

The What Car assumption could be based on age, with a deffinate cutoff between the CR and PD engine which we all know not to be the case.

I never intended to quote What Car figures as gospel, but you need to have some sort of potential starting point.

One would imagine that the CR engine is the 'up to date' engine now being used, such that the PD would be the run-out engine at the end of the line. I would have thought, thinking logically, that more people would have a desire to own a modern engine than it's predecessor. This would surely then have a knock-on effect to the respective residual values of the two.

Residuals quoted by anyone are bunkum, the 2.0 tfsi should have retained iirc49 % after 3 years according to mags back in 2006, believe me it hasn't

To the op, you say car supermarket, with that spec was it advertised like that originally or did you ask them to find one in that spec, or order in that spec in a fashion like DtD??? if the latter 2 then it is possible that the cars they where supplying where CR but when they sourced 'your' spec it came from old dealer stock rather than a newer build??

Spec was as advertised. Not an ordered car.

If you bought the car as a used car then in truth I don't think you'll get too much from it.

I never intended to quote What Car figures as gospel, but you need to have some sort of potential starting point.

One would imagine that the CR engine is the 'up to date' engine now being used, such that the PD would be the run-out engine at the end of the line. I would have thought, thinking logically, that more people would have a desire to own a modern engine than it's predecessor. This would surely then have a knock-on effect to the respective residual values of the two.

its nice to think that but in reality it'll make no difference at all, the genreal public on a whole will have no idea that the engine type even changed let alone the differences, its no different to the older 1.8t's having a different turbo to the facelift ones, people notice the different dash colours etc but haven't a clue about turbo spec's. swmbo's vectra gsi is a half-can car that later became full can-bus which makes quite a difference to the car itself yet no one other than geeks and pro's know about it and it has no effect on residuals.

p.p.s as a side note, when are the new shape Octavias on sale...

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