230+ bhp and at least 270lbft would be good enough for me as a starting point. Well, I got 231 bhp but it is the torque that I'm chasing. I guess I am about 238 lb/ft and that's where the disappointment came in when compared to other maps.

Shark - there were no other mods at all, not even a panel filter. You raise a fair point, I will share the graph with the Pendle agent that did it and see what he says.

Sure, it's this one on JKM's website:

http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/Misc/Gallery/rollingroaddays/SCN%2019%2009%2009/Dyno%20Graphs/VST.gif

Your graph .............

looks remarkably similar to this one (Chipped UK Map) ............

Yeah, you are right. I think I am just suffering from 'torque envy' when I see those Revo Stage 1 maps on otherwise unmodded (allegedly) cars like this one:

http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/Misc/Gallery/rollingroaddays/BRISKODA%2002%2002%2008/Graphs-No-Details/OCT2VRS.gif

or this one:

http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/Misc/Gallery/rollingroaddays/BRISKODA%2020%2001%2007/Briskoda%20RR%20Plots/SIX.gif

albeit that there was a cat-back on the former

@muckipup, I'll be at a RR day at JKM this Saturday (I'm pretty sure Hedge will be there too), be happy to chat if you can make it?

These were the final test runs done on Stage II+ and running just about perfect ....................

Power Mods that I can remember included REVO Stage II+, Milltek Exhaust, EVOMS Intake, Neuspeed Hi-Flow Discharge Turbo Outlet, Neuspeed Hi-Flow Intercooler Pipe, Forge Twintercooler, Forge DV, Autotech Fuel Pump & NGK Spark Plugs. At the time this car was fitted with pretty much everything that was available and therefore at the limit of what a KO3 powered TFSI car could do but there are of course many more modifications and tuning options available now which may make it possible to achieve even better results.

Edited 1 October, 200916 yr by Makefish

Hey all.

This is the last dyno from my last engine modifictaions .

Stage 1 is usually quite aggressive to give you that Bang for the Buck feeling.

Stage 2 The torque doesn't really change much you just get it a bit further up the Rev Range

Stage 2+ is a different matter though. You get the power early and it just keeps going and going and going till way over 5500rpm.

I will eventually get my car sorted to prove what it's got but its got somewhere in the region of 282bhp and 331lb/ft

Ben i wouldn't bother with a HPFP unless you are going to get a map that asks for the fuelling or you start getting fuel cuts. Otherwise there is no benefit. I got an extra 2bhp but it did stop my fuel cuts that i started to get.

Intercooler is what you want next to make that power more consistent.

Carl:thumbup:

Ben i wouldn't bother with a HPFP unless you are going to get a map that asks for the fuelling or you start getting fuel cuts. Otherwise there is no benefit. I got an extra 2bhp but it did stop my fuel cuts that i started to get.

I'm afraid I disagree with you on this one Carl, the benefits I've witnessed would suggest that there more to this mod than just eliminating fuel cut and give a noticeable increase in performance too irrespective whether you're running Stage I or II. Even more notable gains have been proven on KO4 cars too!

Well you are getting old and grumpy so your bound to disagree :D

Apart from eliminating fuel cuts and Power gains what else can it provide??

I know on KO4's it helps smooth things out but i really didn't notice any difference till i got Stage 2+ and unless you got a lot of other mods, as per our mutual friends 266bhp stage 1 and most of which are now attached to my engine , then i can't see the benefit of the pump.

But i am no expert so i could be missing something

Carl:thumbup:

Ben i wouldn't bother with a HPFP unless you are going to get a map that asks for the fuelling or you start getting fuel cuts. Otherwise there is no benefit. I got an extra 2bhp but it did stop my fuel cuts that i started to get.

Intercooler is what you want next to make that power more consistent.

Well of course I'd redo the map to take the HPFP into account but I still don't know if it's worth it. My car is very quick now and IMO on the limit of what FWD is good for. If it was 4WD maybe I'd want more but I don't think I'm going to spend another £700 to make my car worse to drive. The torque now is very consistent and broadly spread across the rev range which makes it a very tractable car to drive.

If anything I think the intercooler is next. Having said that I don't really run into heat soak problems as I'm not running mega high boost. I think Sherlock_vrs has a trick up his sleeve on the intercooler though.. must catch up with him

@muckipup, I'll be at a RR day at JKM this Saturday (I'm pretty sure Hedge will be there too), be happy to chat if you can make it?

Thanks, that's most appreciated! Will definately try to pop by although I have the kids again this weekend. However, that didn't stop me 2 weeks ago when I (unknowingly!) bumped into Hedge at a seatcupra.net RR day

This Saturday is a GolfGTI rolling road day and I believe they are short on runners.

ill post mine up as soon as i can get it scanned up onto here. I have bluefin stage 2 and then fitted the HPFP and stage2+ map.

it made 259bhp 289Ibft on stage 2 but had a msisive hole in the power at 5000rpm where it randomly dropped to 235bhp , but fitted the new pump and map, and she made 277bhp 305ibft with only 5 minutes of adaption time.

I think i had an underlying problem with my PCV though which is now been swapped with the BSH pcv upgrade. car feels more eager now, and once i get my new intake installed ill re run it on the dyno.

ill admit though the REVO TFSI stage 2 of which i have driven 2 now, definately have alot more torque than the bluefin map. not tried a stage 2+ yet though othert than my own.

Edited 22 October, 200916 yr by simonskerton

Well of course I'd redo the map to take the HPFP into account but I still don't know if it's worth it. My car is very quick now and IMO on the limit of what FWD is good for. If it was 4WD maybe I'd want more but I don't think I'm going to spend another £700 to make my car worse to drive. The torque now is very consistent and broadly spread across the rev range which makes it a very tractable car to drive.

If anything I think the intercooler is next. Having said that I don't really run into heat soak problems as I'm not running mega high boost. I think Sherlock_vrs has a trick up his sleeve on the intercooler though.. must catch up with him

mine made at least 20Ibft minimum torque more than the stage 2 map along the entire rev range. shame it was over shadowed by the huge improvment it made at the top end by soving the HUGE drop in power i had

Haha my willy is bigger than yours!!

Haha my willy is bigger than yours!!

Undoubtably Harry as you now have a K04 willy and they have proven to be much better performers.

Size isn't everything you know :P

Power is nothing without Control

Im not jealous im not jealous im not im not im not :(

Carl:thumbup:

I'm afraid I disagree with you on this one Carl, the benefits I've witnessed would suggest that there more to this mod than just eliminating fuel cut and give a noticeable increase in performance too irrespective whether you're running Stage I or II. Even more notable gains have been proven on KO4 cars too!

I have seen a Revo stage 1 before and after results and on the same RR gave the same results, but maybe different cars might be different:confused:

I have seen a Revo stage 1 before and after results and on the same RR gave the same results, but maybe different cars might be different:confused:

Hmmm, you mean same results for bhp and torque delivery with a Stage 1 and before/after HPFP?

The HPFP won't do anything in terms of power etc usually unless the map is written to ask for the higher fuelling.

I have seen it work on one stage 1 car that got 266Bhp but it had all the mods on it that are on my engine not just the pump.

Carl:thumbup:

@muckipup, I'll be at a RR day at JKM this Saturday (I'm pretty sure Hedge will be there too), be happy to chat if you can make it?

Sorry I didn't make it, had 'the lurgy' all weekend. Felt like poo!

Hmmm, you mean same results for bhp and torque delivery with a Stage 1 and before/after HPFP?

That cant be right surely.

Stage 2+ gave massive increases on my car, mainly down to the HPFP. Have a look back on some of the past JKM rolling road day graphs (on their site), I think Stu VRS did the pump upgrade and the general consensus at the time was that it gave around very good torque gains.

Lee

Hi Lee,

I don't think that there is any dispute over the HPFP mod and a Stage 2+. The question is if it truly is a performance mod for a Stage 1.:confused:

Some folks (like Mater in the post above) would say that it makes no difference unless there is some issue inherent in the car causing fuel cuts and only becomes useful for Stage 2+. Others (like Makefish) believe that there is notable improvement even on Stage 1....hope I understand that right, Mr Fish.

The dilemna I have is this: I don't want to go Stage 2+ as my car is a 20k miles a year commuter and I don't want the engine stressed with such an agressive map on a high mileage vehicle (also, I have to draw the line with the cost of mods for a 2+!). What I would love to have is the 280ish ftlb of torque seen on some Stage 1 TFSI's (which appear to be there if JKM's website of RR results is accurate)!!

It seems that the only Stage 1 maps that do this are REVO's. Perhaps even a Stage 1 REVO is such an aggressive map that it is held back to some extent by the stock HPFP. I dunno :confused:. That's what I am trying to work out ...or whatever the heck it is that gets you these impressive torque figures/curves on a Stage 1.

As a side-point...

I still consider myself a newbie even after 9 months of VRS ownership and membership of Briskoda but I feel sorry for other newbies. We tell them to 'go search' when a modding question gets asked and talk of kittens dying etc. when a question gets repeated. However, I have found the whole thing utterly confusing:

'You need a panel filter to get the best' vs 'Panel filters make no difference - just change the paper one regularly'

'A cold air intake makes a noticeable difference on Stage 1' vs 'no it doesn't'

'You need a cat-back exhaust and EVOMS for Stage 2 although the cat-back makes little or no difference to performance' :confused:

'A HPFP mod is useful only for fuel cuts and Stage 2+' vs 'HPFP mod is useful whatever stage'.

...well, you get the picture. I may have taken a few of the above a little out of context but these are real examples of what a newbie will find when he/she is sent off to search the forum.

One thing is for sure, a Stage 1 on its own is a no-brainer from any reputable mapper.

280lb/ft is easily achievable on a stage 1 if that's all your after

For example I know somebody that's just had the P-Torque remap done in the recent groupbuy and it made 243bhp 283lb/ft

Only mod was a piperX panel filter

They only paid £245 all in with before and after dyno runs

He's well happy :D:D

Cheers

Damian

As a side-point...

I still consider myself a newbie even after 9 months of VRS ownership and membership of Briskoda but I feel sorry for other newbies. We tell them to 'go search' when a modding question gets asked and talk of kittens dying etc. when a question gets repeated. However, I have found the whole thing utterly confusing:

'You need a panel filter to get the best' vs 'Panel filters make no difference - just change the paper one regularly'

'A cold air intake makes a noticeable difference on Stage 1' vs 'no it doesn't'

'You need a cat-back exhaust and EVOMS for Stage 2 although the cat-back makes little or no difference to performance' :confused:

'A HPFP mod is useful only for fuel cuts and Stage 2+' vs 'HPFP mod is useful whatever stage'.

...well, you get the picture. I may have taken a few of the above a little out of context but these are real examples of what a newbie will find when he/she is sent off to search the forum.

One thing is for sure, a Stage 1 on its own is a no-brainer from any reputable mapper.

Ultimately it is down to the individual to find what is best for themselves. To do this they should read all the information present and then make an informed decision.

There are certain combinations that people will tell you shouldn't work but can and do so its just that you don't get the full effect. At the end of the day the ECU will use its map within the constraints of its hardware.

For example.

Most mappers will suggest you need a TBE and panel filter for stage 2. However it will quite happily run on a standard car BUT to get the most out of it you really should have the TBE (but not bother with a panel filter, in my opinion).

However should you then wish to add an intake all well and good as the ECU will say I have this much more air and throw more fuel into the mix but give it too much air and it will request more fuel than the pump can supply giving 'fuel cut'.

I guess what I am trying to say is that the principals of tuning are pretty much the same. More fuel + more air + easier exit increases efficiency. Simples.

Don't forget though that forums are full of people with opinions, me included, it depends on how you interpret these peoples writings that counts.