But the sad thing is we already have a Fabia Sport, at a poxy 105bhp :(

I honestly can't imagine and FR diesel either, and giving the 1.6CR (certainly in 110bhp ish variant) the FR badge would be sacrilege.

Think you have misunderstood my post matey I wasnt speculating if there was going to be a FR Diesel MK5 Ibiza, im saying there will be one. I just havnt heard as of yet what engine. Will poke around the 1.6CR and ask a few questions and update friday fella.

There is no way they could dilute the FR badge in the Ibiza MK5, due to the same 1.4 engine as the Cupra, just set at 150hp. To then bring out a later diesel model, with 110bhp sooooo wouldnt cut it.. well youd hope they wouldnt anyway.

I do agree with you both.

The Mk1 Fabia vRS is a great car imho, yes the white seats are silly, and no it doesn't handle well, but it was a decent diesel engine, had a good agressive look to it, and a good spec too, with the bonus of them being a bit different to the norm without really any competitors at the time of release. Oh, and it was cheap, genuinely cheap.

I'm sure the Mk2 Fabia vRS will be a different beast altogether, it should have real hot hatch credentials, a good turn of speed, and be a genuinely good car - assuming they get the syling right.

When all is said and done though, there were a lot of people in the UK who liked the niche package of what the Mk1 Fabia vRS offered who will struggle to find something similar to replace it with, Skoda certainly don't offer anything. To get a decent diesel engine you really need to move up a segment into a Golf, Leon (Mazda 3 :P) etc, and there are plenty of people who don't want or need a car that size, and certainly don't want to be paying upwards of £17k for the privilege. I suppose there is the Punto Sporting, but I'm struggling to think of anything else. I wish there were good 140bhp+ diesel versions of the Fiesta Zetec S, Mazda 2 Sport, Ibiza Cupra, VW Polo GT, Corsa SRI, a proper Fabia Sport even (rather than the half arsed effort Skoda sell at the moment).

I do think it will be good for Fabia vRS Mk1 residuals though. Its just when the owners of them look to change, they either have to buy a Punto, or get something completely different.

You have hit the nail on the head there

I'm one of those who don't need a bigger car, I just wanted them to offer a Diesel option. I do like the Punto, so maybe that will have to be the next car, who knows? But a vRS petrol, no thanks, I do far too many miles so it's not good business sense.

You have hit the nail on the head there

I'm one of those who don't need a bigger car, I just wanted them to offer a Diesel option. I do like the Punto, so maybe that will have to be the next car, who knows? But a vRS petrol, no thanks, I do far too many miles so it's not good business sense.

I'm another one to agree. That's the whole point - the original Fabia vRS was different, a diesel warm/hot hatch. 'Only' 130BHP, but about 230 lb/ft of torque. This proposed Mkll is just another Hot Hatch, nothing to make it stand out, which is a shame. Unless they add the VW 4Motion to it......no, not likely at all.

Again... they won't develop a car they know won't sell massively well. The Fabia vRS only sold well in the UK.

Again... they won't develop a car they know won't sell massively well. The Fabia vRS only sold well in the UK.

I agree, It sold well because the package was right for the UK, cheap to buy, cheap to run, reliable, looked good too and seeing there was only the Diesel option it fitted the segment just right as it was a kind of a bold thing to do by Skoda and kind of broke the mould of the 'Diesel' hot hatch.

Shame they won't be bold again, but I suspect it's more to do with the engine options they have available, Don't they just have the 1.6 or 2.0 TDi now and thinking about it, the 2.0l TDi is probably a no-no and people won't buy the Diesel option if it's only a standard 1.6tdi (however much power that is, 100?bhp).

It may sell better through Europe being a petrol, but it just seems a smack in the face for the people in the UK who, like me, who have stood by the brand and now have to look elsewhere for a Small Warmish Diesel as a petrol version is just not going to make any kind of business sense and I just don't need a bigger car.

I'm sure they will introduce something TDi if they can up the power of the 1.6 in the future, or they sell so few, they realise they have made a collosal **** up.

I can wait and see, mine has only done 90k, so plenty of life in her yet.

Hey ho.....

If you were a company, that produced a niche car that fitted a niche market, but sold not-particularly-well elsewhere, would you - in this financially dodgy time - produce another car for that niche, or would you produce a car that will sell decently in your whole market?

Simples

Babs is right. I see loads of Fabia RSs around where I live, probably as many as all the other spec levels put together. But I was in the Czech Rep the other week and can't actually remember seeing any (although I guess I must have!)

To those who want a small diesel warm Skoda, how about a Yeti? It's shorter than a Fabia estate!

Again... they won't develop a car they know won't sell massively well. The Fabia vRS only sold well in the UK.

but is that really down to it being a diesel? when I was in France and Spain they seemed to love both their diesels and their smallto medium hatchbacks :confused:

but is that really down to it being a diesel? when I was in France and Spain they seemed to love both their diesels and their smallto medium hatchbacks :confused:

Doesn't make any difference. They just didn't sell well anywhere else and the UK is not a large market for them

You go to Czech and see how many VRS's you see.... Also, how many non UK VRS owners use this forum....

If Skoda do the diesel thing again it's only down to there being a EU wide market for it not because a load of people on an unsupported forum are willing it so and are threatening to take their 0.000000000001% of business to another marque.

Doesn't make any difference. They just didn't sell well anywhere else and the UK is not a large market for them

You go to Czech and see how many VRS's you see.... Also, how many non UK VRS owners use this forum....

If Skoda do the diesel thing again it's only down to there being a EU wide market for it not because a load of people on an unsupported forum are willing it so and are threatening to take their 0.000000000001% of business to another marque.

OK, but I've seen numerous diesel FR/Sport Ibiza's when abroad, I've even seen a diesel Cupra not to mention GT TDI Golfs and diesel FR Leons so maybe there's a market for small to medium warm diesels but not a sport Fabia, in which will it happen at all and if so does it matter which engine goes into it?

Is £17K really what you expect it to be sold at? :eek:

You could pick up a new mk1 for £11K when I was looking

Who said 17k? Must have missed that! :eek:

Jeez, I'd have trouble choosing at Mk2 Fabia at the best of times, let alone for that money....

Steve

Who said 17k? Must have missed that! :eek:

Jeez, I'd have trouble choosing at Mk2 Fabia at the best of times, let alone for that money....

Steve

I've had to go back through all the thread now but the Autocar page says less than £16K although a few posters mentioned £17K (Seat Boca?). £15,995 it is then. Bargain

OK, but I've seen numerous diesel FR/Sport Ibiza's when abroad, I've even seen a diesel Cupra not to mention GT TDI Golfs and diesel FR Leons so maybe there's a market for small to medium warm diesels but not a sport Fabia, in which will it happen at all and if so does it matter which engine goes into it?

Probably not not, no.

They are all the same really aren't they....

If my maths is out someone that knows more please correct me.........Putting 2 and 2 together to make 5........

9% of Skoda's European sales are in the UK. 58% of those are the Fabia, and 10% of Fabia MkI sales were the VRS when it was available. So 5.8% of 9% is roughly .5%, meaning that 1/200th of Skoda's European sales came from the VRS in the UK. I guess in those terms we can see why there isn't going to be a diesel VRS.

But if they are pitching a bog standard petrol hatch with DSG at round about £16,000, they will likely only sell a couple of hundred in total.

It needs to be less than the Ibiza, or people will buy the Ibiza!

Get that man a job in Skoda Sales & Marketing!

But if they are pitching a bog standard petrol hatch with DSG at round about £16,000, they will likely only sell a couple of hundred in total.

A DSG Polo could set you back £17k.... with the 1.4 16v engine (85BHP).

'Superminis' aren't cheap any more!

And it's not really a supermini anymore either. The new Polo probably isn't far off Mk4 Golf dimensions, internally and externally!

Steve

It needs to be less than the Ibiza, or people will buy the Ibiza!

The Fabia is bigger inside than the Ibiza, or at least it seems it, having sat in both. That certainly would appeal to me and I've been waiting for Skoda to bring out a new VRS for a while now, as it would be ideal for me to downsize a bit. ( Got an Altea 2.0 TDi DSG )

I reckon it will appeal to a segment of the market, just like the original did. It is different to the hot hatch herd and I see that as a good thing. I was wondering whether they would put in an oil burner, but the fuel prices often mean Joe average won't do enough miles to warrant diesel ownership these days. I bet emissions, all the Euro 5 and so on have a bearing on the engine choice as well.

I would be amazed if the fuel consumption is anywhere near as good in the real world , with a DSG box, as the published figures. I am a fan of DSG boxes, but my experience is that they aren't as good consumption wise. Good to use on a daily basis though.

I'm going to have a test drive in a Cupra as well in a week or two to see what the general package is like. The new VRS certainly has a tough act to follow from the original

The new VRS certainly has a tough act to follow from the original

Oh yeah

Ibiza/Polo/Fabia = all the same platform and theoretically, size.

The Ibiza will feel smaller due to the blackness of Seat interiors

DSG box for the lose. the ibiza is the same to

lets hope the polo GTI has a propper manual stick

I hope there will be a manual version of it. I'm not saying the DSG is not very good (I've not tried one) but I would love the option to have one, unlike the Ibiza that is only DSG.

If Skoda make a 4wd one, it will only be after there is a Octy vRS 4x4 which is unlikely.

Don't forget that the fabia will be a 5dr! Where as the ibiza, polo, fiesta, clio, etc are all 3drs in hot hatch form. I think thats its only unique selling point though. Anyway no point speculating, lets just wait for some official info from skoda.