I don't there will be a manual, since this spec of engine has been developed with the DSG in mind.

For those that haven't tried it, DSG is superb!

If you're complaining about not having the gear stick to move around, just play with your penis instead

I don't there will be a manual, since this spec of engine has been developed with the DSG in mind.

For those that haven't tried it, DSG is superb!

If you're complaining about not having the gear stick to move around, just play with your penis instead

But for the budget end of the hot hatch market, maybe its an unnecessary expense?

It's moved on...

The Suzuki Swift Sport and Panda 100HP etc. have the budget end sorted.

The Fabia should be aiming for the lower end of the "mid-range" of hot hatches, along side the Cooper/S, Corsa VXR, Clio Renaultsport, Ibiza Cupra etc.

Full review of the Ibiza by Autocar here: Seat Ibiza Cupra - Autocar.co.uk

They throw up similar issues to other cars mags reports but overall seem to like it. The performance/economy combo is hard to argue with!

I'm not sold on the looks of the Ibiza though, it's not exactly ugly but something doesn't do it for me. Too many straight lines all over the place maybe.

I love the look of the Ibiza! It's exactly the look they need to get their key demographic into the sales arena!

I love the look of the Ibiza! It's exactly the look they need to get their key demographic into the sales arena!

It's certainly better than the 'Halfords special edition' Leon they did.

Which one was that?

K1

No! The K1 was lush! Especially in white!

I guess Seat markets it's cars slightly differently to the more conservative Skoda

Priced at £16,000 any new Fabia VRS is just overpriced for what it is.

I mean come on, 15 grand gets a 207GTi, for 16 grand you can have a Civic type S, 19 grand gets you into a basic Impreza WRX. And this one is lifted from What car (I've never driven it) a 1.4 T-Jet 155 Fiat Abarth 3dr can allegedly be had for £13,200. Who on earth would pay 16 grand for a fabia?????????????

I just don't get it.

Which is why it won't be £16k... the Ibiza is £16k so the Fabia will be less

The Ibiza they tested in Autocar was actually £19k "as tested".

It was a press-car.... they're always massively over-spec'd!

Id rather spend 16k on a Fabia VRS than 15k on a Pug 207 or Honda Type S anyday, both of those cars are plain ugly and naff looking:thumbdwn:

Im not at all into this sort of car, Id sooner have a fast bike on todays roads as you spend most of the time stuck in traffic or behind a Honda Jazz/Nisan Micra et al anyway... but if I was, my money would go straight in the hands of my nearest Abarth dealer for either the Abarth 500 or Abarth Punto;)

Just as we were lamenting the lack of a diesel option, they announce that the Ibiza FR will have a diesel option. Manual box too!

Seat to expand hot hatch line-up - Car and Car-Buying News - What Car?

So, I wonder if they will do the same with the VRS?

It's moved on...

AFAIK the mk 2 fabia is a re-vamp of the mk1 platform but the new polo/ibiza are a much newer design. Anyone care to correct me?:confused:

I thought they were all using the same revised platform design myself, but I've nothing concrete to back this up. My impression was that it was a re-run of the previous platform rollout, where the Fabia got it first, then Ibiza and finally Polo.

To me that makes sense, and also with VAG's outlook and VW being at the top of the tree, in that it allows them to iron out and niggles and design issues, before the platform reaches the next generation Polo.

Steve

AFAIK the mk 2 fabia is a re-vamp of the mk1 platform but the new polo/ibiza are a much newer design. Anyone care to correct me?:confused:

I meant with market segment, rather than specific platform. The Ibiza and Fabia will join the Corsa VXR and the Clio RS, and leave the gap which the Swift and Panda fit into.

But in the past, i.e. with the last model, it really fell somewhere in the middle. More power than a Swift or Panda 100, taking those examples, but less than the more mental offerings from RenaultSport and Vauxhall. It would seem this is going to continue, seeing at this will be around the 180bhp mark, with the aforementioned now at 200. But also in the attitude and setup of the car; the Fabia will be far more everyday and less focused on fast road/track use than the models from others IMO.

Steve

I meant with market segment, rather than specific platform. The Ibiza and Fabia will join the Corsa VXR and the Clio RS, and leave the gap which the Swift and Panda fit into.

I don't think it has moved on in either tech or style. Its a bit Postman Pat and goes straight to the bottom of the class with the other ugly ducklings.

It really will have to be special (and who's to say it won't be) to get anywhere - looks and performance.

What I'm saying, is with the 1.4 TSI and DSG it will be at the bottom of the next class up, rather than near the top of the class below.

Is your glass half-full or half-empty?

it will be at the bottom of the next class up

We're agreed

Is your glass half-full or half-empty?

Always half empty. Always.

Just as we were lamenting the lack of a diesel option, they announce that the Ibiza FR will have a diesel option. Manual box too!

Seat to expand hot hatch line-up - Car and Car-Buying News - What Car?

So, I wonder if they will do the same with the VRS?

vRS=FR